Do you re-sign Marian Hossa?

[Guest Shoreline]

To be fair, Lids did say he'd play for the league minimum if Holland and Co. asked him to.

In reality, it would be an insult to ask him to take even less than he is now, despite the gesture (assuming you're correct, I've never heard this).

It was understandable in Yzerman's case.. his role really turned primarily into leader at the end of his career, and he wasn't producing much, so taking less was the honorable thing to do to bring in someone else who could. Lids is still one of the most productive defensemen in the league.

Edited May 11, 2009 by Shoreline

[Konnan511 1,736]

In reality, it would be an insult to ask him to take even less than he is now, despite the gesture (assuming you're correct, I've never heard this).

It was understandable in Yzerman's case.. his role really turned primarily into leader at the end of his career, and he wasn't producing much, so taking less was the honorable thing to do to bring in someone else who could. Lids is still one of the most productive defensemen in the league.

Which is why they didn't do it the last contract negotiations and probably won't make him take less than 6 mil if he still wants to play.

[thedisappearer 291]

In reality, it would be an insult to ask him to take even less than he is now, despite the gesture (assuming you're correct, I've never heard this).

It was understandable in Yzerman's case.. his role really turned primarily into leader at the end of his career, and he wasn't producing much, so taking less was the honorable thing to do to bring in someone else who could. Lids is still one of the most productive defensemen in the league.

I agree with a lot fo this, but I see Lids taking a hometown discount. I don;t know how much, and I wouldn't judge if he didn't, but see him somewhere between 3 and 5.5 mil after this contract.

[Echolalia 2,961]

If Hossa were to stay, there's no way the Wings would be able to keep Hudler or Sammuelson (barring any significant trading), and I assume they would be replaced by Leino and Helm.

If Hossa were to leave, the Wings would be able to afford raises for both Huds (est. about 3M) and Sammy (est. about 2.5 or slightly larger), have Leino or Helm come in to fill in the hole on forward, and have some money left over for the deadline or a back-up better than Howard.

Essentially we're looking at either keeping the top two lines of

Zetterberg Datsyuk Homer

Hossa Franzen Filppulla

and desecrating the third line into

Helm Leino Cleary

Or changing the second line into

Hudler/Sammy Franzen Filppulla

and third line into

Sammy/Hudler Leino/Helm Cleary

Personally I trust that Helm is as nhl ready as he is going to be, and Leino looked good when called up. I think keeping Hossa would be better for the team, as much as it pains me to see Sammy and especially Hudler leave (compensatory, though).

I would rather have 2 1st lines, and a marginal 3rd line than 1 first line and 2 second lines.

Edited May 11, 2009 by Echolalia

[Z and D for the C 712]

Lids will resign under 5 million for sure.

[steveyzerman 0]

Sign him. Everyone has a slump. The man has four goals in nine games. Sheesh. He's terrible.

& actually, it's five goals.

[Autika 34]

http://www.freep.com/article/20090323/SPORTS05/903230384/?imw=Y

Hossa is willing to take less money and wants to retire a Wing. If he's willing to take Hasek money I'll send him a fruit basket.

[Dabura 12,207]

http://www.freep.com/article/20090323/SPORTS05/903230384/?imw=Y

Hossa is willing to take less money and wants to retire a Wing.

WHAAAAAT???

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!

HOSSA IS GOING TO RUIN THIS TEAM MORE THAN HE ALREADY HAS.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Sign him. Everyone has a slump. The man has four goals in nine games. Sheesh. He's terrible.

& actually, it's five goals.

Read the entire thread. 99% are praising his play and downgrading his contract price.

[Konnan511 1,736]

WHAAAAAT???

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!

HOSSA IS GOING TO RUIN THIS TEAM MORE THAN HE ALREADY HAS.

Well that's mature. You're just not thinking about the ramifications of him signing a contract that has more than a 5mil cap hit.

[Dabura 12,207]

THE END IS NEAR!

[Zetterberg2008ConnSmythe 0]

He's gonna have to take alot less to stay...if not...have fun playing in L.A.

[Konnan511 1,736]

THE END IS NEAR!

ignore list...

[VM1138 1,921]

Not so much for a defenseman because when we go "defenseman shopping" Lidstrom and his $7.45M cap hit will more than likely be gone.

Lidstrom's contracts will be off the books by the time we need to free up space again, I think. He'll take less (I doubt he'll retire), and we won't really need a top level defenseman for years.

Even when Lidstrom retires, we've got a good young core. I don't see us needing to make any defenseman moves over than Stuart-level ones.

Goalie, however...once Ozzie is gone, we might have to finally buy one, like Luongo (just to make my age-old prediction of Luongo being a Wing at some time in his career come true.)

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

No. And I highly, highly doubt he would be brought back if that's what he demanded.

Unless its another long contract where his cap hit would be brought way down.

Well, hossa has been quoted as saying wherever he ends up next year, he wants it to be long term. He's 30 and wants to have a home instead of bouncing around year to year. So, if we were to sign him i'd be willing to bet it'd be a significant amount of years.

[Vladiator 116]

If Lidstrom want's to play for a few more years, then he will take what works to make the Wings a playoff team every year that Lids decides to play there.. Several players did that in 02. Not the same rules, but the same principal.

Hossa just works too well in the Wings system to let him go. When Holland signed Franzen, he basically imputed to Hossa what the Wings would pay considering the cap hit. Hossa knows that so he knows that he will have to sign a deal similar to Franzen's deal to remain a Wing.

[wmubronco420 25]

maybe he will sign for something like 5.5mil. which would be a definate yes in my mind. but at his current pay of 7.45 i would have to say no, as much as i like the guy i think we could use some more defensive depth.

[RedWingsRox 614]

No ... don't sign him. You spend way too close to the cap and as people said, you'd have to get rid of some guys like Hudler or Sammy.

Got to have some room for a rainy day. Hudler is coming along just fine, I want him to stay. Got to give room for some young blood like Leino, Helm, Ericsson, etc. to develop. As much as I love Hossa , remember, we won it without him.

Franzen IS the beast in the playoffs and thank goodness we got him locked up! Between the two, I'd take Franzen and Holland did.

[S_Whitney 1]

Yea I think we will be fine without Hossa. It's time next year to give the young players a chance to move up to the big league

[kylee 727]

if the Wings have any chance @ keeping Hossa - they should go for it.

regardless of how good our AHL team looks, as promising as some prospects look, you dont just let a superstar walk away.

[Dabura 12,207]

you'd have to get rid of some guys like Hudler or Sammy.

Hossa > Hudler + Sammy

Got to give room for some young blood like Leino, Helm, Ericsson, etc. to develop.

If you're looking to bring up the young guys while keeping the team as competitive as possible, it would make more sense moving a few guys of lesser worth (Hudler, Sammy, maybe another). And Big Rig's a defenseman. I don't know what the issue would be there.

As much as I love Hossa , remember, we won it without him.

Good thing all the teams in the league stay stagnant.

Edited May 11, 2009 by Dabura

[dat's sick 1,002]

I feel like he's a little too old to sign to a long-term contract at 6+ mil. We already have Z, Pav and Mule locked up for a long time for a lot of money and they're not getting younger.

Imagine in 5-6 years, we could look like the Rangers..

I love Hossa but I think it makes more sense to let him go. We don't want another season where we are unable to call up anyone from GR because we're too close to the cap.

[Broken 16 381]

Lids will resign under 5 million for sure.

I agree. I can definately see Lidstrom deferring a major chunk to help keep the team competitive.

[norrisnick 1]

Hossa > Hudler + Sammy

We have to lose a hell of a lot more than Hudler and Sam to account for what Hossa would potentially sign for. Signing Hossa means we have to trade away $5M in salary already on the books. Helm, Ericsson, Howard, Leino won't save us even $1M if we use them to replace Samuelsson, Chelios, Conklin, and Hudler. Factor in that Z and Franzen have $6M in raises coming. So even if Hossa were to take a $2M haircut, we'd still have to shave off $5M. $4M to account for the net change in Hossa/Z/Franzen's contracts and $1M to replace the two players we trade away (ie two of Filppula, Kronwall, Stuart, Cleary).

Let Marian walk. Let Sam walk. Let Conk and Chelios walk. Sign Hudler. Bring up the kids. And we'd still be close to capped out, but at least we wouldn't have to dump salary. And that's taking into account the cap not moving at all. It could conceivably drop a million or two.

[xtrememachine1 795]

With how well he's playing on a line with Franzen and Filppula, its tough to say no to him now. I think if we can get him for a good deal (like 6 mil or less) then I'd keep him. If not, there's plenty of other good players we can get to fill out the roster with that money.