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#61 Dynheart

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 12:54 AM

I often wonder what "good enough" means to people. So it's ozzies fault that detriots defense is so good that he can't show off his athletic prowess? People say luongo is better. Need I say that this better goalie let in 7 goals against the blackhawks? OF course his DEFENSE wan't there. That's right, his defense hung him out to dry. Even the great luongo coun't save the game with no defense. I don't care how good you are...2 on 0, 3 on 0, 5 on 0, you're gonna get scored on if the offense is clicking. Only so much the human body can do.

Onto Ozzie, did people forget that he jumped across the crease and robbed a duckie in game seven, first period? Give the oppertunity, the man can do the ninja like move (which in most cases people base how good a goalie is by jumping across the crease like a nija to make a save) like the elite does. Now onto having to jump across the crease like that...why do you guys think that? 95% of the time is because the goalie is out of position. Ozzie doesn't need to make these "awesome saves" because he's in position (wasn't in game seven on that shot). the other 5% is either the goalie is lucky (yes those uber saves where the goalie fudges up and hits the puck mid air to make a save is luck) or their selling it.

IMO Ozzie plays a very old school style goaltending. Kinda like Broduer, both are mostly stand up goalies, but can butterfly if need be. Look at Broduer, he doesn't look like a ninja in the crease because he's positionaly sound. Same with Ozzie.

I feel bad for the guy because not matter what, it's always the defense, not him. Last I checked Ozzie was in the crease, Ozzie made 30 saves out of 32 shots the other night...not the defense. Whatever, I hope he get's into the HOF...good enough my ass

Edited by Dynheart, 19 May 2009 - 12:56 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2009 - 12:57 AM

No disrespect or anything, but find me a series in the last 10 years where osgood was in net and we won where we were outshot and the goalie was the difference.

No, the wings dynasty has been all about not making it about the goaltender - and that's why Ozzie won't get props. That plus sucking in the regular season.

Edited by clutchngrab, 19 May 2009 - 01:04 AM.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 01:02 AM

QUOTE (clutchngrab @ May 19, 2009 - 12:57AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No disrespect or anything, but find me a series in the last 10 years where osgood was in net and we won being outshot.


It's not the quantity, it's the quality. A good portion of the shots that get past Detriots defense are generally good scoring chances. Look at game 2 with the ducks...we shot like 60 times against hiller...all easy point shots. Same with game 3. Look at game 4 and 5, we got in close and got dirty goals. Look at the scores on those games...hiller wasn't the elite goalie people thought then. Ozzie has to face more dangerous shots than most goalies...and most of those are due to defense colapses/brain farts.

Ozzie out played mason. Ozzie out play Hiller. Again, it's the quality of saves, not the quantity. It's amazing how people can messure a goalie and call them good by stoping 60 easy , unscreened point shots.

EDIT: Detriot has been out shot how many times in 10 years? I bet the number isn't very high. It sucks that Ozzie get's no respect because of the way detriot plays...lets shoot at the goalie jsut because. Fact is, no goaltender will. And who ever the next red wings goaltender will be, I feel bad for him already.

As far as sucking the regular season...it's like 2 or 3 seasons out of 15 years. Even the greats had offseasons. I guess your not aloud to be human and have an offseason as a red wings goalie or you will have hell to pay.

Edited by Dynheart, 19 May 2009 - 01:11 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2009 - 01:18 AM

QUOTE (Peleshob @ May 18, 2009 - 05:04PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's pretty hard to be the type of goaltender that Osgood is. The guy isn't the type of goalie who can get shelled and stand on his head, but he IS the type of goalie who can maintain focus when facing a low number of shots. He's an ideal goalie for the style of play the Wings utilize. The shots on goal this season were higher than usual, and I think most fans would agree that the defense was lacking at times. Bringing in a goaltender who needs to face tons of shots to stay "sharp" doesn't work. It hasn't worked in the past (Joseph, as a prime example).

Osgood will likely never get respect from other fans because he's not a conventional top end goalie, but I personally believe that the majority of goaltenders in the NHL don't have the mental fortitude that Ozzie does. They'd crack only facing 20 shots everyday, they'd crack for being bashed and labelled as the "weak link" all the time and they'd crack with the pressure to win that the Red Wings brass expects out of their players. There's a reason Wings fans love Ozzie and chant his name when he saves a puck, and it's because he's our type of goalie.

He's been accused of being cocky, but he's just a winner and he knows it. Chris Osgood wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence. That is all.

You know, I've never been an Osgood fan and I figured there was a reason Holland dumped him in the first place. But after reading this post I am a convert. Chris Osgood....underdog...rocks!
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 01:36 AM

Cam Ward is the only goalie in the NHL I would want instead of Osgood. he has never lost a playoff series, he has a conn smythe, he has a cup, he is 4-0 in game 7s, and he always comes up big in clutch situations (except on the 3rd goal tonight, but every goalie gives up one they want back).

but on the other hand, ozzie has 3 cups, most wins in wings history, top 10 most wins in nhl history, 2-0 in game 7s and shouldve won a conn smythe last year if not for zetterbergs complete domination of crosby

so i guess out of 30 starting goalies, 60 including back ups, in my opinion when regular season and playoffs are taken into account, osgood is a close second to cam ward. too bad my opinion means nothing.

p.s. our "weakest link" is a 3 time cup winner who has been lights out for 6 straight series. i think ozzie being our weakest link should be an argument for why we repeat as cup champs!

p.p.s. this is all coming from a guy who wanted ozzie banished from all things hockey when he let up that langenbrunner goal (dont talk to me about game 7 i thought that was a fluke!) and i celebrated when the islanders picked him up off waivers! but now, after last playoffs im all over the ozzie bandwagon.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 06:25 AM

QUOTE (Doc Holiday @ May 18, 2009 - 04:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who cares?

1. That means I am not one of a million Osgood fans
2. Two stanley cup rings
3. He is helping us to a potential third cup as a starter

He wins when it matters. That's what counts.


I still believe that Osgood is a product of the system here in Detroit. I don't think his career stats would be remotely the same had he been a product of another system. I still do believe his main issue is inconsistency BUT... He is the perfect goalie for our system, he does find a way to win (sometimes brilliantly and sometimes very ugly), he can steal the show once in a while, his key too success:when on a roll he makes important saves at the right times, he is a Detroit Red Wing in mind and spirit. Thank God he is getting the job done now after a horrible regular season!

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 07:52 AM

Oh well. Goalie's jobs are to stop the puck and win games. Osgood may not be the best goalie since sliced bread was invented but he usually does the job in stopping the puck and helping his team win games.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:55 AM

As I've said before, Oz will be widely regarded as the worst goalie ever elected to the Hall of Fame. wink.gif

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (clutchngrab @ May 19, 2009 - 12:57AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No disrespect or anything, but find me a series in the last 10 years where osgood was in net and we won where we were outshot and the goalie was the difference.

No, the wings dynasty has been all about not making it about the goaltender - and that's why Ozzie won't get props. That plus sucking in the regular season.


Well, I guess that Brodeur guy sucks a giant dong then, because (not counting this year's playoffs, which hurt Brodeur):

Brodeur NJ Devils playoff SV%: .919
Osgood Det Red Wings playoff SV&: .920

Brodeur NJ Devils playoff GAA: 1.96
Osgood Det Red Wings playoff GAA: 2.00

Brodeur NJ Devils playoff win %: 55.7%
Osgood Det Red Wings playoff win %: 65.6%

While Brodeur has faced less shots per game on average.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:48 AM

Good God almighty, it is almost unfathomable that this conversation is being perpetuated on a Wings board.
Yeah, Ozzie had a s***ty season. He said he would pick it up and shine in the post-season, and he has. Would you have preferred a world-beater during the regular season and have won the all-coveted President's Cup (yawn) or have him playing the excellent hockey he is now.

Second, if you don't think Ozzie has saved several games so far for us in the post-season, you have not been watching. I've seen or attended every game and Ozzie has stuffed a lot of puck up opponent ass, particular while getting run at by every low-level trashy goon-scum from the opposition. He is unflappable.

Thirdly, I've been to many dinners and outings over the years that Ozzie has attended. He truly does not give a speck of tick-turd what people think. He makes a lot more $$$ than you, has better jewelry on his hands than you, and has his named chanted by adoring throngs at the Joe.



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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE (donfishmaster @ May 19, 2009 - 09:48AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He truly does not give a speck of tick-turd what people think. He makes a lot more $$$ than you, has better jewelry on his hands than you, and has his named chanted by adoring throngs at the Joe.


laugh.gif Awesome. You're right. He's right not to care, too. Wait, I amend that: he cares very much about his game and doing the best job he can for the Wings. He and the team know that he's fine. What people say, bad or good, doesn't impact Ozzie one way or the other -- and that's what's good.

Ozzie never was and may not ever be the NHL's heart-throb, but he's perfect for Detroit right now. That's all I care about.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 12:14 PM

QUOTE (Datsyerberger @ May 19, 2009 - 10:11AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I guess that Brodeur guy sucks a giant dong then, because (not counting this year's playoffs, which hurt Brodeur):

Brodeur NJ Devils playoff SV%: .919
Osgood Det Red Wings playoff SV&: .920

Brodeur NJ Devils playoff GAA: 1.96
Osgood Det Red Wings playoff GAA: 2.00

Brodeur NJ Devils playoff win %: 55.7%
Osgood Det Red Wings playoff win %: 65.6%

While Brodeur has faced less shots per game on average.

I really like the way this puts things in plan black and white for the haters. I am convinced that regardless of what Ozzy does and the numbers say, people will always doubt him and say he is s***. If a horrible season is finishing 3rd in the league as a team, I will take s***ty ozzy any day. I will always believe the folks that hate on ozzy and hasek and all the other goalies, I feel that they are generally fair weather and flakey fans.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 02:59 PM

Great article about Ozzy, on ESPN of all things:
http://sports.espn.g...0...&id=4176419

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So for 10 days in mid-February, Osgood got a break from the team. It allowed him to recharge his batteries. But being the close-knit team the Wings are, it didn't go without some ribbing from teammates.

"Guys were calling me Kovy," said Osgood with a chuckle.

That would be Alexei Kovalev, who was also sent away for a mental break by the Montreal Canadiens around the same time. Mind you, it was a much bigger story in that city given everything that happened there this season.

One night during the break, Osgood stayed behind while the Wings played in frigid Minnesota. Again, the guys wouldn't let go.

"The guys were calling me and texting me, 'Hey, what are you and Kovy doing?'" laughed Osgood. "So even when things seem as bad as they can be, they're really not that bad."

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 03:10 PM

QUOTE (clutchngrab @ May 18, 2009 - 10:57PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No disrespect or anything, but find me a series in the last 10 years where osgood was in net and we won where we were outshot and the goalie was the difference.

No, the wings dynasty has been all about not making it about the goaltender - and that's why Ozzie won't get props. That plus sucking in the regular season.

Uh, it's far more about the goaltender than you make it of. Since I've ever been a fan, the magnifying glass has been put upon a goalie, and Hockeytown is notable for being very harsh on goalies. So the fact that Ozzie is not only back, but ironically the Wings win another cup and are back in the conference finals, with the chance to repeat, is proof in the pudding that Osgood IS the s***, and haters simply don't know what the f*** they're talking about. The fact that Ozzie is accepted and cheered for on a regular basis (something that couldn't be said of Vernon or Hasek) is a welcome sign that this goalie has been accepted, which, in Detroit, is definitely an accomplishment.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE (Shoreline @ May 19, 2009 - 03:10PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh, it's far more about the goaltender than you make it of. Since I've ever been a fan, the magnifying glass has been put upon a goalie, and Hockeytown is notable for being very harsh on goalies. So the fact that Ozzie is not only back, but ironically the Wings win another cup and are back in the conference finals, with the chance to repeat, is proof in the pudding that Osgood IS the s***, and haters simply don't know what the f*** they're talking about. The fact that Ozzie is accepted and cheered for on a regular basis (something that couldn't be said of Vernon or Hasek) is a welcome sign that this goalie has been accepted, which, in Detroit, is definitely an accomplishment.



Agreed... Ozzy IS the s***. But that article clearly shows that fans concerns about him during the regular season weren't unfounded. Holland had to basically rip his ass and dismiss him for a weak to wake him up. According to Osgood, he was as concerned about his play as anyone.

That Kovy s*** is hilarious.

Edited by Broken 16, 19 May 2009 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 19 May 2009 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (The Secret @ May 19, 2009 - 07:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still believe that Osgood is a product of the system here in Detroit. I don't think his career stats would be remotely the same had he been a product of another system....



The three season's he was with islanders/st. louis his numbers (2.5 GAA, .905 SV%)were on par with his career average (2.47 GAA, .906 SV%). If you ignore his s*** year he had when he was traded, he posted a 2.37 GAA and .911 SV% in those two seasons combined, far better than his career numbers. In fact, he rebounded nicely after that s*** season and had one of his best regular seasons to date. However, nothing matters but championships and he'll soon have 4.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE (Shoreline @ May 19, 2009 - 03:10PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh, it's far more about the goaltender than you make it of. Since I've ever been a fan, the magnifying glass has been put upon a goalie, and Hockeytown is notable for being very harsh on goalies. So the fact that Ozzie is not only back, but ironically the Wings win another cup and are back in the conference finals, with the chance to repeat, is proof in the pudding that Osgood IS the s***, and haters simply don't know what the f*** they're talking about. The fact that Ozzie is accepted and cheered for on a regular basis (something that couldn't be said of Vernon or Hasek) is a welcome sign that this goalie has been accepted, which, in Detroit, is definitely an accomplishment.

QFT.

Everyone always thinks that with even a slightly serviceable goaltender, the Wings should be able to win a Stanley Cup like falling outta bed. And yet, Joseph, Hasek, Legace, all have failed when this "logic" says they should have succeeded. Osgood has seen more shots this playoffs than I think many realize and the quality and concentration of those shots when they come are very underestimated by haters. He isn't faking his .922 save percentage.

And even when he isn't seeing the 28 shots per game he is averaging through the playoffs so far, he has to keep focused during the long periods without seeing a shot and be prepared that when he usually does see shots, they are coming several at a time for the most part. Show Luongo that pattern of work and he'll be made to look quite average, even more average than he was made to look by these same Blackhawks.

And to revisit Shoreline's point about the Ozzy love: this is a historically terrible team to want to play goal for. Like the article I posted from ESPN today mentions, this is a town where you win SOLELY because of the team in front of you, while losing lies SOLELY on your lap as goaltender. And yet, before, during, and after every single Red Wings game this playoff, chants of "OZZY! OZZY! OZZY!" rock the Joe.

Why is that? Because he is a terrible goaltender we suddenly feel generous enough to shower with Gladiator-esque mob-love? Or because when given the opportunity, he is the ONE goaltender who has been able to sieze it and win consistently.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (Outsider @ May 18, 2009 - 06:33PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With all due respect, Echo.....I'm calling BS.

They have ALL been guilty of that. ALL OF THEM!

Brodeur. Roy. Hasek. ALL OF THEM! Without exception. Every single one of them has given up some SH!T goals at the worst possible times.

The only reason that the aforementioned are not "known" for that, whereas Osgood IS.....


Absolutely. Remember that goal Brodeur gave up in Game 3 of the '03 Finals against Anaheim? The one where he tried to play a slow-rolling puck with his stick, tripped, fell on his arse, and had the puck roll through him and into the net? That goal lost Game 3 for the Devils, and shifted the momentum of the whole series.

Of course, Marty came back and pitched a shutout in Game 7 to seal another Cup, and nobody remembers that goal now. It truly is all about perception.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (b.shanafan14 @ May 19, 2009 - 03:59PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great article about Ozzy, on ESPN of all things:
http://sports.espn.g...0...&id=4176419

Favorite Part:

Reminds me of my friends.



I really like that article. Gave me some insight on how Ozzie progressed over the season. I won't lie, I kind of got down on him during the season. I never thought we should kick him off the team or anything, I just knew he wasn't playing like Osgood. But he sure has erased my doubts in the playoffs, and I couldn't be happier. I can't wait to go to the Joe during the finals (yes, we're making it there) and chant 'Ozzie! Ozzie!'.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (clutchngrab @ May 18, 2009 - 11:14PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look, he made his own bed by playing like s*** during the regular season. I know he's underpaid so that's OK. Just don't ***** about it, eh?

How am I bitching? I'm pointing out that he does get a little respect from time to time and that it's nothing new if he doesn't get the credit I and others feel he deserves. Lets face it, if he was as bad as some claim, he would of never backstopped us to a cup.

Edited by DatsMyWings13, 19 May 2009 - 05:18 PM.






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