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What if Pittsburgh scored with 6 men?

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I have heard alot of complaints about the officiating throughout this series, and in my opinion, justifiably so. From the missed too many men call, Ericsson's interference call that lead to a goal, and even the Malkin non suspension that should be a cut and dry rule, but isnt because the nhl protects its star players (and values ratings before anything else). I was just wondering what would have happened if Pittsburgh scored with 6 players and a goalie on the ice?

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I have heard alot of complaints about the officiating throughout this series, and in my opinion, justifiably so. From the missed too many men call, Ericsson's interference call that lead to a goal, and even the Malkin non suspension that should be a cut and dry rule, but isnt because the nhl protects its star players (and values ratings before anything else). I was just wondering what would have happened if Pittsburgh scored with 6 players and a goalie on the ice?

I've thought about that as well -- amazingly, Pittsburgh did not get a single shot on net during those 21 seconds.

if the Penguins had scored, I really don;t think there is anything that can be done about it as long as the linesmen are not calling it.

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It would get reviewed and the goal would be dis allowed.

Hopefully that would be the case, however most people would say the same thing about the Hossa goal scored against the Ducks that was disallowed but something like that is un reviewable, and non calls are as well (such as too many men)

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I have heard alot of complaints about the officiating throughout this series, and in my opinion, justifiably so. From the missed too many men call, Ericsson's interference call that lead to a goal, and even the Malkin non suspension that should be a cut and dry rule, but isnt because the nhl protects its star players (and values ratings before anything else). I was just wondering what would have happened if Pittsburgh scored with 6 players and a goalie on the ice?

The NHL rulebook states that the goal would be disallowed AND a penalty would be assesed to the offending team. (74.1)

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It would get reviewed and the goal would be dis allowed.

Is it reviewable?

I though goals coul be reviewed and waived in the cases of: High sticking, kicking or 'handing' the puck in, or simly whether a puck crossed the line or not. Interference is not even reviewable.

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The NHL rulebook states that the goal would be disallowed AND a penalty would be assesed to the offending team. (74.1)

The NHL rulebook also states that a team will be assessed a too-many-men penalty for having six skaters and a goalie on the ice.

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Almost happened for us:

It was Bettman loving the Wings, clearly.

Edit: Thanks for the link, I will use this many a time now against conspiracy nuts.

Edited by Shoreline

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It would get reviewed and the goal would be dis allowed.

only if it was detroit with the 6 men

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Almost happened for us:

Is that a regular season game vs. the Preds or a PO game from last year?

A bit of a difference when it happens in the SCF and might sway the series....

Edit: on a side note, remember the "5th down" touchdown by Colorado in 1990? They needed a TD to win at the end of the game and scored on 5th down - wasn't called back (no reviews at that time). Went on to an undefeated (tainted one) season.....

Colorado 5th down

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all goals in the playoffs are reviewed so it would of been taking away.

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All I want from the Hockey Gods is a simple change or two.

Change one- each coach gets 2 challenges per game, in the NFL style. Penalties, goals, and even non-calls like this 21-second too many men can be challenged. However, if the play is reviewed (by Toronto, not the refs on the scene) and the call on ice upheld, the challenging team gets a bench minor for delay of game, and loses their challenge.

Change two- goals can be reviewed, but not only in/out or high stick. The circumstances around the goal can be reviewed- goalie interference, too many men, whatever. Same penalty for losing the challenge, and review by Toronto as above.

It would slightly lengthen the game, but add to the integrity of the officiating and play.

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Is that a regular season game vs. the Preds or a PO game from last year?

A bit of a difference when it happens in the SCF and might sway the series....

Edit: on a side note, remember the "5th down" touchdown by Colorado in 1990? They needed a TD to win at the end of the game and scored on 5th down - wasn't called back (no reviews at that time). Went on to an undefeated (tainted one) season.....

Colorado 5th down

How would it sway anything? The Penguins didn't score. Sure, they should have been penalized, but the Wings also get away with s*** they should be penalized with too, case in point, the video. It also shows that indeed the refs can't ALWAYS spot too many men so yet another strike against the conspiracy s***wagon.

Edit: And no I do NOT want a ******* NFL style challenge. The NFL is the No Fun League because they need to challenge and replay everything and bog their game down with politically correct and futile attempts at trying to perfect every play. Let refs be human FFS. The Red Wings benefit just as much as anyone else from their mistakes.

Edited by Shoreline

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Rule 74.1 says nothing about it being a reviewable offense in the case of a goal.

Interesting -- here is a blog on what the NHL reviews:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=418327&...cmpid=rss-staff

74.2 Bench Minor Penalty – A bench minor penalty for too many men on the ice shall be assessed for a violation of this rule. This penalty can be assessed by the Referees or the Linesmen. Should a goal be scored by the offending team prior to the Referee or Linesman blowing his whistle to assess the bench minor penalty, the goal shall be disallowed and the penalty assessed for too many men on the ice.

Sorry 74.2... do your damn homework first.

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74.2 Bench Minor Penalty – A bench minor penalty for too many men on the ice shall be assessed for a violation of this rule. This penalty can be assessed by the Referees or the Linesmen. Should a goal be scored by the offending team prior to the Referee or Linesman blowing his whistle to assess the bench minor penalty, the goal shall be disallowed and the penalty assessed for too many men on the ice.

Sorry 74.2... do your damn homework first.

Still states the ref or linesman has to make the call (back to the whole "intended to blow the whistle") -- nothing about it being a reviewable offense.

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How would it sway anything? The Penguins didn't score. Sure, they should have been penalized, but the Wings also get away with s*** they should be penalized with too, case in point, the video. It also shows that indeed the refs can't ALWAYS spot too many men so yet another strike against the conspiracy s***wagon.

Edit: And no I do NOT want a ******* NFL style challenge. The NFL is the No Fun League because they need to challenge and replay everything and bog their game down with politically correct and futile attempts at trying to perfect every play. Let refs be human FFS. The Red Wings benefit just as much as anyone else from their mistakes.

You want to tell me how 2 reviews per side, per game, is anywhere near the charlie-fox that is the NFL challenge system? I was merely saying NFL-style as a way of saying that if you challenge and lose, there's a penalty.

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yupp all NHL rules seem to be left up to INTERPRETATION ... they would just says seeing the ref didn't make the call the goal is allowed

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You want to tell me how 2 reviews per side, per game, is anywhere near the charlie-fox that is the NFL challenge system? I was merely saying NFL-style as a way of saying that if you challenge and lose, there's a penalty.

It's a waste of time. It's a lame ass politically correct way to appease people regarding the imperfections of calls and look what happens when the imperfection of replay comes up and it bogs up a fast-paced game down to the s*** the NFL is. More conspiracy s***. People expect some sense of perfection that is non-existent. Maybe you guys should focus on what IS evident -- the fact that the refs are giving normal obstruction calls on both sides a pass. The players don't know what they are going to call, there is an obvious problem with reffing, it can't be solved with replay, and it isn't there to benefit the Penguins any more than the Wings (to knock out a few arguments at once floating around).

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I've thought about that as well -- amazingly, Pittsburgh did not get a single shot on net during those 21 seconds.

if the Penguins had scored, I really don;t think there is anything that can be done about it as long as the linesmen are not calling it.

There is no way even these refs would allow a 6 on 5 goal to stand.

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yupp all NHL rules seem to be left up to INTERPRETATION ... they would just says seeing the ref didn't make the call the goal is allowed

Given your problem with interpretation, the last part of your sentence here is rather ironic given your interpretation of the rules regarding disallowed goals.

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Goal would count and Crosby would be awarded a penalty shot during which our goalie would have to watch from the penalty box. If Crosby hits the net, it's another goal. If he misses the open net, it's 2 goals.

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How would it sway anything? The Penguins didn't score. Sure, they should have been penalized, but the Wings also get away with s*** they should be penalized with too, case in point, the video. It also shows that indeed the refs can't ALWAYS spot too many men so yet another strike against the conspiracy s***wagon.

Edit: And no I do NOT want a ******* NFL style challenge. The NFL is the No Fun League because they need to challenge and replay everything and bog their game down with politically correct and futile attempts at trying to perfect every play. Let refs be human FFS. The Red Wings benefit just as much as anyone else from their mistakes.

All I'm saying is that having 6 men on the ice for over 20s in the SCF is just ridiculous and has much more POTENTIAL to affect the outcome of a series, than the same non-call would have during the regular 82 game season.

If you look at the body of the Wings work the entire game 3 - it's true one cannot just blame that non-call for the loss, that's a cop out. The game was tied going into the third and the Wings only put up 3 SOG. Nonetheless I still think it's egregious to not catch that call - if it was 5s or so you understand. At least with the BJs the 6th man was leaving the ice (although the guy coming on touched the puck). In this case 6 guys were in on the play.

And no I don't want a coach challenge in the NHL, I was just pointing out that a college football team won a national title on a 5th down.... that's far worse than the NHL imo....

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