TheCapt19 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Regarding Babs decision to sit Abby, what was he thinking? I don't want to hear crap about Abbie not being comfortable in the center position. That is non-sense. Sit Maltby, problem solved. I love Malts, but it's the playoffs and there is only one purpose, to win the cup. Look at these numbers... Pos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G Sft/G FO% Justin Abdelkader L 10 2 1 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 11 18.2 6:58 11.0 43.6 Kirk Maltby L 17 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 0 10 0.0 9:11 15.2 0.0 Based on the numbers above, a monkey could figure out that you don't sit the player with fewer minutes, fewer games, a better +/- for another who has more minutes, more games, and a worse +/-. COME ON! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Don't feel bad, I'm not an NHL coach either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Agreed. Abby>Maltby. This is a professional buisness, you do what is needed to make your say "buisness" the best. This is the time that needs to be done. Edited June 5, 2009 by Hockey13Playa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Downey > Abby! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 It wasn't that Abdelkader wasn't comfortable at center, it's that he wasn't as comfortable at wing, obviously. Draper is going to center line 4, and Helm is going to center line 3. End of story now that Draper is healthy again. Taking out a player that's used to playing winger to Draper for a guy that's not used to playing winger at all isn't smart. Leino is used to being a wing. So is Maltby. If Abdelkader could play wing as well as Maltby, don't you think he'd be in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 something i just found out the other day was that Dan Bylsma was a checking 4th liner on the Anahiem team that Babcock coached to finals in 2003! now can you imagine this guy rookie coach, comes in mid season from 10th place to finals of Cup against Babcock who is coach of the year, 4x 50 win seasons, cup champion etc.. and beats him!!! what an embarassment to Babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 a few games is hardly a large enough sample size to compare what maltby brings vs abby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LionsAndRedwingsAndPistonsOhMy 3 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 I'd see that as more of a great accomplishment by Bylsma than an embarrassment to Babcock. Anyways...someone above noted it properly.....he would be playing out of his natural position. Plus, to me, he looked shaky away from the Joe....hell, ALL of our youngsters did. I would add Veteran steadying influence as a reason to that as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 I used to be an nhl coach and I say Abby on the top line!!! Sorry Homer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Abby wasn't playing center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Abby wasn't playing center. Er, when he was playing, he was (line of Maltby-Abby-Leino). If you meant with Draper back he wouldn't have been playing center, then yeah, you're right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DRW Dominance 255 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 I'm not a coach either but what the f*** was Holmstrom thinking on the shortie by Staal? He is at the far side blue line of the Penguins. Not one Wing is coming down the near side. He fires in a very hard slap shot that goes all the way around the boards. Some Guin gets it, feeds it Staal and out he goes and scores. When you dump the puck in hard like that you better look first to make sure 2 Wings are coming on the other side to get it. Raffy wasn't expecting such a clean break out on a stupid shoot around by Homer. Homer has been completely useless and should see 4th line minutes only aside from the PP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 I have no idea why Abdelkader was taken out of the line up either... 2 goals in 3 games and he forechecks hard and creates opportunities, he's been one of our better forwards all series long, seems like a slap in the face a bit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfessorLidstrom5 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 While I agree it was wrong to take Abdelkader out of the lineup, I do not think he should be inserted into the lineup over Maltby. Eventhough the numbers speak for themselves, Maltby brings so much more to the game for the Wings than just numbers. He brings grit, agitation, leadership, and experience. He always seems to get into the other team's best players' heads. The game last night offers a perfect example. Before the start of the 2nd or 3rd period (can't remember which one) Malts went by Crosby and said something to him. I don't know what was said but I'm sure it wasn't anything friendly. That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in a veteran fourth liner!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted June 5, 2009 Datsyuk back next game, the lines i would like to see, Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Cleary Hossa-Filpulla-Franzen Hudler-Helm-Sammy Leino-Draper-Abdelkader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sibiriak 84 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) something i just found out the other day was that Dan Bylsma was a checking 4th liner on the Anahiem team that Babcock coached to finals in 2003! now can you imagine this guy rookie coach, comes in mid season from 10th place to finals of Cup against Babcock who is coach of the year, 4x 50 win seasons, cup champion etc.. and beats him!!! what an embarassment to Babcock. Dan Bylsma who is Pitt coach was a goalie. The one you speak of must be a different Dan Bylsma. EDIT - I was wrong, this is the same guy. Sorry. Edited June 6, 2009 by sibiriak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 maltby's been playing good in the cup finals. who hasn't...? hudler! sit him for abby tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata20 4 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Based on the numbers above, a monkey could figure out that you don't sit the player with fewer minutes, fewer games, a better +/- for another who has more minutes, more games, and a worse +/-. COME ON! Here is a stat for ya. Maltby 4 Cup Rings, Abby 0 Cup Rings. It is about experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Regarding Babs decision to sit Abby, what was he thinking? I don't want to hear crap about Abbie not being comfortable in the center position. That is non-sense. Sit Maltby, problem solved. I love Malts, but it's the playoffs and there is only one purpose, to win the cup. Look at these numbers... Pos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G Sft/G FO% Justin Abdelkader L 10 2 1 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 11 18.2 6:58 11.0 43.6 Kirk Maltby L 17 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 0 10 0.0 9:11 15.2 0.0 Based on the numbers above, a monkey could figure out that you don't sit the player with fewer minutes, fewer games, a better +/- for another who has more minutes, more games, and a worse +/-. COME ON! Abdelkader had 2 extremely fluky goals (pure luck, same could have happened to Maltby). Without those two goals their numbers would be almost exactly the same. Both guys bring energy, both play decent defense. But Maltby has this thing called experience, and i'm sure you would agree, experience is more important than a +/- stat. A difference of 3 in +/- is almost irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Agreed. Abby>Maltby. This is a professional buisness, you do what is needed to make your say "buisness" the best. This is the time that needs to be done. Maltby>Leino as a fourth line winger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canadian_Yzerman_Fan 7 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 a few games is hardly a large enough sample size to compare what maltby brings vs abby. hahaha, I agree... The power here is very low. Alternatively you could move the mean of H1 farther from the mean of H0, AND increase your alpha... but that still does tell about the significance of your results. Ultimately, I second increasing the sample size to at least 25-30 comparable games otherwise your p-value is going to mean very little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Maltby>Leino as a fourth line winger. Leino>Huds so far OT: I think there's enough topics about losing without Abby, could you just stop making new ones and make comments in the old ones instead...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
