Austin 5 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Oh boy... now Rangers fans showing up here to whine? Uh, I guess you missed Saturday Night's whistle party, when the Pens were called for about more penalties in one game than the Wings have been all series? I'm not saying the refs are biased one way or the other in this series, but using game 5 as an example as to why the refs are fair is ridiculous. You couldn't ignore any of those penalties that were called on the pens. How could the ref NOT call Sid's hack on Zetterberg or the blatant cheap shot at Datsyuk's foot? Just because the pens got called for a ton of penalties in game five doesn't mean the refs were leaning one way or the other. The pens lost their composure and committed penalties. This wasn't ticky-tack stuff they were calling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87to71 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Game 4 wasn't that long ago. In case you missed it: Im not talking about Game 4 that was almost a week ago and Maltby didnt even get a penalty for that and neither did Crosby. Im talking about last night. Let's talk about how Franzen acted like he got shot as well in Game 5 when Malkin elbowed him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 If I recall correctly both Malkin and Crosby have been penalized. How many penalties have Z, Lidstrom, and Dats taken? Usually there's some sort of evidence to suggest something is true rather than suggest it may be true merely because it's not impossible. That would be horrendous logic. Are you suggesting there has been no evidence of favoritism by the league/officials for Crosby/Malkin/Penguins? If so, please stop talking to me. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Rosenrosen 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Totally impossible that refs and leagues unfairly influence games right? "During the NBA finals, Donaghy said in a court filing that the league routinely encouraged refs to ring up bogus fouls to manipulate results, while discouraging them from calling technical fouls on star players." Crooked NBA ref gets 15 months in prison esteef NBA? That's a different story. Game 6 of the 2002 Kings-Lakers series was the most criminal thing I've witnessed in sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Rosenrosen 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 I'm not saying the refs are biased one way or the other in this series, but using game 5 as an example as to why the refs are fair is ridiculous. You couldn't ignore any of those penalties that were called on the pens. How could the ref NOT call Sid's hack on Zetterberg or the blatant cheap shot at Datsyuk's foot? Just because the pens got called for a ton of penalties in game five doesn't mean the refs were leaning one way or the other. The pens lost their composure and committed penalties. This wasn't ticky-tack stuff they were calling. absolutely true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Rosenrosen 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Are you suggesting there has been no evidence of favoritism by the league/officials for Crosby/Malkin/Penguins? If so, please stop talking to me. esteef No more than the Wings. The officiating has been horrendous both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTU_Huskies963 398 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 The Wings got screwed on many calls?? Did you watch the 3rd period and see them get 2 power play chances within minutes of one another after the Wings had scored their first goal to cut it to 2-1 and had all the momentum?? The Wings had a man advantage for 5 out of the final 10 minutes of the game if you count the two powerplays and when they pulled Osgood to get the extra attacker. The call on Guerin where Draper fell before he even touched him and grabbed his face was the most ridiculous thing Ive seen in a long time... That was clearly a high stick, the ref was looking right at it. The refs have been terrible this series so far. In games 1+2 they should have shown that were not going to put up with this interference crap by both teams. The refs have lost control of this series and there is no way to get it back with out having a game with 8 PP's for both teams. This is nothing like old time hockey, the refs are picking and choosing which calls to make. You could see it on the Malkin cross check he was not going to put his hand up at first. It's still better than the NBA refs who anticipate a foul before it even happens. Not only have the refs been terrible, but so have the linesman. They are missing offsides left and right, and it looks like they flip coins on the icings lol Even more ridiculous then the pens having 6 skaters on the ice for 23 seconds, and the officials don't even blink? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Are you suggesting there has been no evidence of favoritism by the league/officials for Crosby/Malkin/Penguins? If so, please stop talking to me. esteef I'd like to hear the evidence FOR the alleged favoritism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vilmer 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 I couldn't care less about Cindy or Malkin, but I have never seen so many hacks, whacks and slashes as I did last night on the part of the Penguins. It was absolutely ridiculous. On top of that, I think we all knew even before the game started that Pittsburgh would get power plays very early, regardless of the fact the Wings came out like they were tranquilized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) I'm not talking about Game 4 that was almost a week ago and Maltby didn't even get a penalty for that and neither did Crosby. I'm talking about last night. Let's talk about how Franzen acted like he got shot as well in Game 5 when Malkin elbowed him. The only statement I took exception to is the one I quoted above. Crosby's dive is equally, if not more, ridiculous than any example you've given. You said it had been a long time since you had seen something that ridiculous. Your idea of a long time must differ from my own. EDIT: If you can't agree that a week is not a long time, surely you can agree that Crosby's dive was the most ridiculous thing you've seen since game 3....Baby steps. Edited June 10, 2009 by Ozzie30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 I'd like to hear the evidence FOR the alleged favoritism. Malkin playing in Game 3? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FedorovMan91 1 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 This kind of thread is really meaningless because the wings got screwed up by the red but they did not deserve to win game 6; I just want to hear the thread that blame the wings' own play Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87to71 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 I couldn't care less about Cindy or Malkin, but I have never seen so many hacks, whacks and slashes as I did last night on the part of the Penguins. It was absolutely ridiculous. On top of that, I think we all knew even before the game started that Pittsburgh would get power plays very early, regardless of the fact the Wings came out like they were tranquilized. Oh well the bottom line is the Wings had 2 power plays for 4 out of 5 minutes midway through the 3rd period after they had just scored to make it 2-1 and had all the momentum and they failed to get the job done...The refs gave the Wings 2 power play chances after they made it 2-1 to tie the game and they didnt do it that's all there is too it pure and simple... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvxp 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 I am a Ranger fan who deals with the Penguins all year. The Refs/NHL clearly favors the big name stars when it comes to calls. The same thing happens with Ovechkin and the Caps. The Wings got screwed last night on many calls. Goaltender interference was a joke in the 1st. The NBC announcers on 2 separate occasions last night stated that the Pens got away with interference calls. I hate to say it Wings Fans but you are not only battling the Pens but also the officials and the NHL who would like nothing more than to have the Crosby/Malkin Pens hoist the Cup. Good Luck and Go Wings True! NHL is now the WWF on ice......it's turning into a fake sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin 5 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Oh well the bottom line is the Wings had 2 power plays for 4 out of 5 minutes midway through the 3rd period after they had just scored to make it 2-1 and had all the momentum and they failed to get the job done...The refs gave the Wings 2 power play chances after they made it 2-1 to tie the game and they didnt do it that's all there is too it pure and simple... This is what I can't stand.. the refs didn't "give" the wings anything last night. They called a pretty dangerous cross-check and a clear high-stick. They did, on the other hand, give the pens an early powerplay with a horrible goaltender interference call in the first that the pens could have used to set the tone early. Don't act like the refs were trying to hand the wings the game in the end. It would have been ridiculous for them NOT to have called those two penalties in the third. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flintstone Cicarelli 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 They did, on the other hand, give the pens an early powerplay with a horrible goaltender interference call in the first that the pens could have used to set the tone early. Same call they made for the Wings first power play in Game 5, almost the exact same play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin 5 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Same call they made for the Wings first power play in Game 5, almost the exact same play. No argument there. I'm just saying for him to make it seem like the refs handed the wings the game in the end and we still didn't capitalize is ridiculous, and if anything the questionable powerplays in game six were in favor of the pens. (Side note, and I'm not complaining, you just brought this upon yourself: Take away that penalty in game five, and we still dominated you. This was a 2-1 game that could have gone either way with a few more calls going to the wings. Just sayin'.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTU_Huskies963 398 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 This is what I can't stand.. the refs didn't "give" the wings anything last night. They called a pretty dangerous cross-check and a clear high-stick. They did, on the other hand, give the pens an early powerplay with a horrible goaltender interference call in the first that the pens could have used to set the tone early. Don't act like the refs were trying to hand the wings the game in the end. It would have been ridiculous for them NOT to have called those two penalties in the third. The refs were running out of time and they needed to call something. A team can not go the entire game with out committing a penalty. That would look very odd. The one things that makes me mad and we will never know is. Would the wings even get a PP in the third if they tied it up at 1. We know how much the refs hate calling penalties in the 3rd unless it is blatant. They have no problem with giving them to a team that is down to tie it up though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flintstone Cicarelli 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 (Side note, and I'm not complaining, you just brought this upon yourself: Take away that penalty in game five, and we still dominated you. This was a 2-1 game that could have gone either way with a few more calls going to the wings. Just sayin'.) You can't really say what would have happened. The Pens unravelled and lost their cool after the 2rd goal and the result was tons of uncalled for lack of disipline penalties. The Wings scored on the resulting powerplays (or shorly thereafter). The Wings outplayed the Pens, no doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BewareThePenguin 1 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) You guys are funny...first off I am totally aware of the fact that both the Caps and the Pens are better clubs than my Rangers and that is the reason we lost, period. But just like in the NBA where stars like Kobe, Jordan etc. get the benifit on the whistles the same thing happens in the NHL. I am a long time Hockey fan who also played the game. I also don't really care all that much who wins this series although I am routing for the Wings moreso than the Pens. IMO the officiating is slanted towards the high profile player/team. Crosby is the leagues golden child- he sells more jerseys and attract more young fans than any other player. If you don't think the NHL stands to gain by having the Pens win then you are crazy. That being said I never stated that there was a conspiracy that the league and all the officials secretly met and agreed upon this but they are all well aware of the benifits of having the Pens win and that can translate into favorable calls. I watched the Pens skate around for close to 25 seconds with 6 men, no call. how does that happen? The hit on Z last night was vicious and well after the puck was gone. Absolutly no attempt to play the puck. In my opinion the Wings have been on the short end of the stick with calls in this series. Because I played the game I also don't make excuses for losing because of bad calls. You have to factor that into your game and work your way through it. My statement remains that in addition to fighting the Pens for the cup ypu are also going to have to fight the whistle. Translation: "I never said there was a conspiracy... but I did. I never said the refs were out to favor the Pens... but I did. I'm not rooting for either team... just one." And you're calling us funny? Edited June 10, 2009 by BewareThePenguin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87to71 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 No argument there. I'm just saying for him to make it seem like the refs handed the wings the game in the end and we still didn't capitalize is ridiculous, and if anything the questionable powerplays in game six were in favor of the pens. (Side note, and I'm not complaining, you just brought this upon yourself: Take away that penalty in game five, and we still dominated you. This was a 2-1 game that could have gone either way with a few more calls going to the wings. Just sayin'.) Pens could have gotten a few more calls as well. I think the refs did a good job last night calling 2 penalties each for both teams and just letting the two teams play more 5 on 5 and decide the game based on that. The Wings probably could have gotten more calls I wont argue there Staal tripped Helm I believe in the 2nd period, but the bottom line is like I said the chances and the opportunities for the Wings were there being on the power play 4 out of a possible 5 minutes midway through the 3rd...Fleury made some key saves and the Pens defense and penalty kill stepped up big blocking shots and not allowing the Wings to capatalize on a lot of rebounds in front of Fleury. The Wings despite some of the no-calls you talk about had their chances in the 3rd period and like I said before they didnt capatalize... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rangerfan 0 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Translation: "I never said there was a conspiracy... but I did. I never said the refs were out to favor the Pens... but I did. I'm not rooting for either team... just one." Man you are too entertaining! Third Line Checker translation no talent meat head! You every play the game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Malkin playing in Game 3? esteef Detroit Free Press disagrees with you.. http://www.freep.com/article/20090531/COL2...hout+their+best Eat it and weep Freep.. It ended in the usual, clean-cut, nothing-to-see-here NHL way. Pittsburgh’s Maxime Talbot used his stick to perform a double-bypass on Red Wings goalie Chris Osgood. The Wings decided this was involuntary surgery and objected. A scrum ensued. Pittsburgh star Evgeni Malkin and Wings star Henrik Zetterberg, two faces of the new, no-fighting NHL, started fighting. It was a knock-down, helmets-and-jerseys-off, old-fashioned fight … but, of course, the NHL does not like old-fashioned fights anymore. So Malkin and Zetterberg were told to sit in a corner of their locker room and think about what made them act like bad boys, and Malkin was given an instigator penalty, the NHL equivalent of “he started it!†The only problem with that is that instigator penalties in the final five minutes carry automatic one-game suspensions, because in the new NHL, fights like that are a disgrace, an embarrassment, and they distract people from appreciating the real joy of hockey: talents like Evgeni Malkin and Henrik Zetterberg. Even Pittsburgh coach Dan Bylsma said of Malkin: “If he got an instigator in the last five minutes, I think there are rules that are clear.†And they are. And so the NHL quickly rescinded the suspension, which will lead roughly 47 million Wings fans to proclaim that there is a conspiracy against their team … which, of course, there is not. Malkin did not really deserve an instigator penalty. The NHL ultimately made the right call. Conspiracies suck balls. Next? Edited June 10, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Malkin playing in Game 3? esteef Even better, did Scott Niedermayer even get an instigator or suspension? (plainly pointed out he started this fight during the broadcast) A bit of consistency here for once, and it ain't the refs. The league made the right call. Edited June 10, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted June 10, 2009 <...> Uh, I guess you missed Saturday Night's whistle party, when the Pens were called for about more penalties in one game than the Wings have been all series?<...>And your beloved squad of assholes rightfully deserved each and every of these calls, didn't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
