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whoever says that datsyuk underperformed is an idiot. datsyuk is a passer and a playmaker.. he makes a nice pass and the receiver either shoots it wide or does something stupid. datsyuk never plays bad.. his teammates do.

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Does anyone else agree Hossa's chances of coming back are higher now that Detroit lost? He probably wants that Cup more then ever now. Where's he going to go? Pittsburgh? No. San Jose? Vancouver? Really, what team in the NHL has the best chance of winning a cup in the next 5 years? Detroit. Guaranteed. Hossa is probably on the phone right now, begging to come back. And the fact the Wings lost largely in part of HIM not stepping up means his chances of returning are even higher. If he'll sign for Franzen money, sign him. But he's not worth 7.45 on the Red Wings.

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Does anyone else agree Hossa's chances of coming back are higher now that Detroit lost? He probably wants that Cup more then ever now. Where's he going to go? Pittsburgh? No. San Jose? Vancouver? Really, what team in the NHL has the best chance of winning a cup in the next 5 years? Detroit. Guaranteed. Hossa is probably on the phone right now, begging to come back. And the fact the Wings lost largely in part of HIM not stepping up means his chances of returning are even higher. If he'll sign for Franzen money, sign him. But he's not worth 7.45 on the Red Wings.

The Wings don't have a chance in hell at being good enough to win a Cup next year, even if Hossa comes back.

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Let's see here. First goal: Stuart tries to clear the puck up the middle (don't they teach you not to do this when you're four?), turns it over, and Talbot scores. Second goal: Stuart pinches when he shouldn't have, which results in a two-on-one, and Talbot scores.

As an alternative....

Stuart clears the puck up the boards, and it doesn't hit a skate and go to Talbot. Instead it just goes up the boards and its out of harms way.

Stuart pinches and the puck is put in deep.

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The point is that it was a couple bad bounces that just went the Pens way. The Wings had a couple chances like this, but couldn't convert. They did have less chances though as the Pens played an outstanding game and out hustled the Wings. If you have to look for a scapegoat to feel better, look at the Wings as a whole. You aren't going to win many games only scoring 1 goal per game.

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Just did a quick glance around the forums for other teams and:

1) It surprised me how many of them are happy that Pittsburgh won. Only the teams taht Pittsburgh eliminated seem to be upset.

2) Everyone, even the pro-Wings posters on those sites, are making fun of Hossa and it infuriates me. The guy was RENTAL for Pittsburgh. He didn't do anything wrong by coming to the Wngs. He didn't "Jump ship" because Pittsburgh was going down the tube FAST while he was there. AFTER he left they turned the team around. I hope we keep him, but I think after this playoff run he should be willing to take CONSIDERABLY less money.

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No.

For all his skill he doesn't have the size to win the boards battles when it counts. That was painfully obvious this series and this is EXACTLY how teams are going to play the Wings next year.

Yeah, everytime he was along the boards fighting for the puck they'd just knock him down pretty routinely.

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Sorry, but if you're as dumb as you've come off in this thread, I'm sure you view anything that could make an intelligent point as a waste of time.

One person doesn't win a Cup. Gretzky couldn't do it alone, Crosby couldn't do it alone, Malkin couldn't do it alone, and Hossa sure as s*** couldn't do it on his own. To use him as a scapegoat for the team's shortcomings is so far beyond stupid that the English language lacks the words to accurately characterize it.

Crosby had a great playoff even though he didn't have a great Finals series.

Hossa was s***ty the entire playoffs. I'm not pinning the entire loss on him, I just think he underperformed more than anyone else did. And before you mention his name, Datsyuk should be blamed just as much. He was terrible the entire playoffs except for game 5 against the Pens.

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3 points in 7 games against his former team who he left to win the cup LOL!

:hysterical: :hysterical:

Read my sig. Kinda ironic.

Does anyone else agree Hossa's chances of coming back are higher now that Detroit lost? He probably wants that Cup more then ever now. Where's he going to go? Pittsburgh? No. San Jose? Vancouver? Really, what team in the NHL has the best chance of winning a cup in the next 5 years? Detroit. Guaranteed. Hossa is probably on the phone right now, begging to come back. And the fact the Wings lost largely in part of HIM not stepping up means his chances of returning are even higher. If he'll sign for Franzen money, sign him. But he's not worth 7.45 on the Red Wings.

Possible if he signs a long term deal, but I don't like the idea of having soo many tied up for so long.

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Does anyone else agree Hossa's chances of coming back are higher now that Detroit lost? He probably wants that Cup more then ever now. Where's he going to go? Pittsburgh? No. San Jose? Vancouver? Really, what team in the NHL has the best chance of winning a cup in the next 5 years? Detroit. Guaranteed. Hossa is probably on the phone right now, begging to come back. And the fact the Wings lost largely in part of HIM not stepping up means his chances of returning are even higher. If he'll sign for Franzen money, sign him. But he's not worth 7.45 on the Red Wings.

100% agree. even though i think that Franzen is a better player than Hossa, if we can sign Hossa for Franzen's money then go for it

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As an alternative....

Stuart clears the puck up the boards, and it doesn't hit a skate and go to Talbot. Instead it just goes up the boards and its out of harms way.

Stuart pinches and the puck is put in deep.

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The point is that it was a couple bad bounces that just went the Pens way. The Wings had a couple chances like this, but couldn't convert. They did have less chances though as the Pens played an outstanding game and out hustled the Wings. If you have to look for a scapegoat to feel better, look at the Wings as a whole. You aren't going to win many games only scoring 1 goal per game.

I'll point to reasons a team lost a single game (thank you, Chris Osgood and Brad Stuart), but I refuse to attribute a SERIES loss to a single player, unless the same player contributes heavily to four losses. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Like I said, Osgood was asked to do nothing but make routine saves tonight and he couldn't do it.

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LOL wow depressed much?

I'm not depressed, I'm being pragmatic. Lidstrom looks his age, an aging roster will only be one year older, and the young guys aren't there yet. Osgood is a major issue, too.

I honestly think this team will not have what it takes to vie for the Cup next year. I would've said the same exact things had the Wings won.

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Crosby had a great playoff even though he didn't have a great Finals series.

Hossa was s***ty the entire playoffs. I'm not pinning the entire loss on him, I just think he underperformed more than anyone else did. And before you mention his name, Datsyuk should be blamed just as much. He was terrible the entire playoffs except for game 5 against the Pens.

To say Hossa was bad all playoffs is moronic. I wont even dignify such a stupid statement with a response beyond this.

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The Wings don't have a chance in hell at being good enough to win a Cup next year, even if Hossa comes back.

Why? Same defense (plus Ericcson for an entire season), same goaltending. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Franzen, Filppula, Holmstrom, Helm, Leino, Abdelkader, Draper, and Maltby all back for sure. Roughly nine million dollars to spend on some defensively responsible depth up front. As bleak as many have made our cap situation out to be, it's really not all that bad.

If the season started tomorrow, we'd have lost Sammy, Hudler, and Hossa up front; Chelios at defense, and Conklin in goal. That's not terrible; in fact, I might argue that it leaves us some money to pick up a Drake-esque veteran forward, a talented winger for Flip, an enforcer, bring up Howard, and work some defensive prospects up for a few games.

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I'm not depressed, I'm being pragmatic. Lidstrom looks his age, an aging roster will only be one year older, and the young guys aren't there yet. Osgood is a major issue, too.

I honestly think this team will not have what it takes to vie for the Cup next year. I would've said the same exact things had the Wings won.

Osgood was one of the best and most consistent goalie of the playoffs. Lidstrom is still a Norris trophy caliber defensemen. We will probably lose a couple of the older players. And your telling me that Ericsson(Who scored a goal in a SCF game 7), and Helm(One of the biggest surprises of the playoffs) aren't ready for the next step? That's not even getting into the steps that Flippula took. If anything the Red Wing's will be better.

Aging roster? Check the ages again my friend. The Wing's aren't going anywhere.

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To say Hossa was bad all playoffs is moronic. I wont even dignify such a stupid statement with a response beyond this.

He scored in 3 out of 23 games.

Stop kissing his ass and admit that he's sucked and underachieved, or else you sound like some Hossa homer. Every statement you've made defending his play is stupid. There is no defending him, unless he was playing with a concussion the entire playoffs.

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I guess we found out this year why Hossa has had a label before of being a playoff choker.

I just hope that Datsyuk hasn't reacquired his previous label of the same kind.

More idiocy. Color me shocked. He was Ottawa's best player for their two most significant runs during his time there, he was a bad shoulder injury when he played in Atlanta's one playoff series, and tore it up last year.

Don't pretend you understand a player's career when you've followed him for a single season and googled his stats for the others.

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They showed a pretty good replay during the game, I'm sure you all caught it, and Hossa certainly wasn't the only culprit but he was the biggest star of the bunch: Flip, I think, put a shot on goal and kicked a rebound out that went right up the gut. Hossa was coasting wide and then behind the net instead of driving to the middle to try and get the rebound.

It wasn't pretty, but maybe he is hurt. The Wings really couldn't get to the net for one reason or another, so I'm not going to rail too hard on him for stuff like that.

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More idiocy. Color me shocked. He was Ottawa's best player for their two most significant runs during his time there, he was a bad shoulder injury when he played in Atlanta's one playoff series, and tore it up last year.

Don't pretend you understand a player's career when you've followed him for a single season and googled his stats for the others.

So two years in comparison to how many he's been in the league for?

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I agree with some of the earlier posters that there is a possibility that Hossa will sign for less because of the outcome. Not only that, but because he played poorly (in the playoffs) and because this is his second time in a row losing in the stanley cup final. Few players experience that feeling.

I think it is win-win for Detroit. Either

a) Hossa stays, signs for considerably less and transforms into a more fierce player (motivated by the two losses) or

b) he leaves and the wings easily fill his void. I say easily because he contributed little in the playoffs.

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Let's be fair though, in the 3rd period, the Pens had no desire to play offense. They were on a PK for 20 minutes. That's why the period looked so lopsided.

I just don't get what was up with us not getting to the pucks. Maybe we'll find out we had a ton of serious injuries. It's the only thing I can think of. But, in all fairness, we had the same problem against the Ducks, the Hawks, and the Pens....

I thought the Wings were streaky all season. They would play great, then fall apart for a couple of games. It was maddening. I just did a quick search and we lost five straight in January '09. There may be more, but I didn't look.

I still hate Sydney Crosby. Bleah. At least the NHL now has their golden boy with the cup. He was in every NHL commercial anyway.

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...as i was saying...

Glad to see Hossa got the Hatty today and showed us what he was made up :D

Now he can go back with the rest of the crew on the plan to pitts to celebrate....

Trojan Hossa WINS!

The pens will petition to have his name on the cup afterall because he was KEY in their defeat of the wings... behind enemy lines

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