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#21 10 Minute Misconduct

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:06 AM

QUOTE (djt813 @ June 13, 2009 - 02:58AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have yet to see the rule book state that he can't cover the puck on the goalie's back. No one could come up with a solid case against that. And the game 2 "cover" was not on camera, but quite possibly shuffling the puck under Osgood which is not a penalty.

Can't say as I agree that the calls were just barely in Pitt's favor.

That said, yes, we did not win games 1 & 2 by that much. Do tip my hat to their grit and desire, just wish the cards weren't stacked against us a bit more than is fair in a series.


The crease goes upward towards the cross bar. He smothered the puck on Ozzie's back which is a penalty shot. Not to mention all the posts the Pens hit in game 2, but i guess we just won by luck, right? wink.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:08 AM

Oh ya i guess you can add the questionable "hook" on dupuis in game 2 that lead to the winner to the list on Wings breaks as well.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE (Jersey Wing @ June 13, 2009 - 01:46AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think rather than blame the loss tonight on the officials, and yes the obvious icing call that led to the Pens first goal was brutal, it'd be more fair to say the officiating throughout the ENTIRE playoffs was poor and inconsistent.

The Wings got screwed out of a goal according to some in the Anaheim series although the rule on that is somewhat clear. Anaheim fans think they got dicked on Cleary's series winning goal. I saw calls in other series that were stunning in their lack of consistency. One night holding up or even bumping a guy going after a shoot in was a 2 minute interference call, the next game it wasn't. It wouldn't have mattered in the outcome but Pittsburgh should have been awarded an automatic goal for a holding call while heading towards an empty net earlier in the series. The first Penguins goal in game three was offsides. One night across the NHL everything was called, the next night we were back to rodeo. Carcillo gets a game suspension for instigating in one series, Malkin has his waived in another.

I think the officiating was poor this year, something I don't normally say. For whatever reason, it wasn't the caliber of officiating world class players deserve. Linesmen were particularly lacking.

But to say the Penguins didn't earn it is wrong and poor sportsmanship. They did earn it. They made the most of the breaks they were given. Something, in the end the Red Wings didn't do, Staal's call tonight was a joke, the Wings could have made hay in that 4 on 4. They didn't. Pittsburgh did just enough to win a one goal game 7.

Hopefully for the players and fans sake, the league will take a hard look at the officiating's consistency and the linesmen's blown calls and if necessary rotate the worst ones out. Refereeing or being a linesman in the NHL is a privilege, not a right.


Exactly, the officiating is getting downright disgraceful. To say it is inconsistent is a gross understatement. After all the league's talk about how a penalty is penalty whether it be in the regular season or the playoffs is completely tossed out the window, and add to that the 2 ref system has almost as many flaws as the old one ref way- case in point, in game 6 Z is robbed by Fleury in close, then Staal pushes him into Fleury- the ref close by makes the correct no-call b/c it's obvious Staal pushed Z into Fleury, let's play on, right? No, b/c the d-bag at center ice decides from his piss-poor vantage point that Hank must've run Fleury and puts him in the box. And that's just one of many, many moronic calls typical throughout the entire season both regular and playoffs.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE (10 Minute Misconduct @ June 13, 2009 - 12:06AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The crease goes upward towards the cross bar. He smothered the puck on Ozzie's back which is a penalty shot. Not to mention all the posts the Pens hit in game 2, but i guess we just won by luck, right? wink.gif


Yeah, we got the breaks in game 1 & 2. Still haven't seen the rule about covering on the goalie's back, regardless of the vertical level of the crease. But how many posts did we hit in game 6 & 7. MAF came up huge and stopped just enough to help his team out.

We didn't win just by skill and them just by luck. But we definitely did get the short end of completely unarguably blown calls. I just wish our guys played up to their potential and it didn't matter... then no one could keep us off Lord Stanley's Cup this year.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE (djt813 @ June 13, 2009 - 02:59AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I welcome any Pittsburgh apologist to come up with anywhere near the number of shafts we got, especially those leading to goals...


Suppose you're right. Let's just say the Red Wings got screwed over worse than any team in the history of professional sports playing for a title.







What are you going to do about it? Complain about it? Are you going to walk around still claiming the Wings are champions? Screaming about it changes nothing.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:12 AM

QUOTE (datterberg1340 @ June 13, 2009 - 12:11AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly, the officiating is getting downright disgraceful. To say it is inconsistent is a gross understatement. After all the league's talk about how a penalty is penalty whether it be in the regular season or the playoffs is completely tossed out the window, and add to that the 2 ref system has almost as many flaws as the old one ref way- case in point, in game 6 Z is robbed by Fleury in close, then Staal pushes him into Fleury- the ref close by makes the correct no-call b/c it's obvious Staal pushed Z into Fleury, let's play on, right? No, b/c the d-bag at center ice decides from his piss-poor vantage point that Hank must've run Fleury and puts him in the box. And that's just one of many, many moronic calls typical throughout the entire season both regular and playoffs.


True dat, one of many many. Some in our favor, vastly more against... sad.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:14 AM

QUOTE (Jersey Wing @ June 13, 2009 - 12:11AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Suppose you're right. Let's just say the Red Wings got screwed over worse than any team in the history of professional sports playing for a title.







What are you going to do about it? Complain about it? Are you going to walk around still claiming the Wings are champions? Screaming about it changes nothing.


You are right, it doesn't change who everyone in history will recognize as the cup winners in 09. But this is a RED WINGS FAN BOARD where we should be able to vent the injustice of the process without our own fans slamming us. All I want is an impartial league to let the players decide it and hold those players to the rules the league itself has established!

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE (10 Minute Misconduct @ June 13, 2009 - 12:08AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh ya i guess you can add the questionable "hook" on dupuis in game 2 that lead to the winner to the list on Wings breaks as well.


Who you routing for??? For one, questionable is quite a fair argument - as it seemed to me, biased as I am, that he lifted the stick which is not hooking at all. And we got another goal and won by 2.

All of my examples were goals that were directly part of winning or losing, not when there was some padding in the score... fair enough?

Edited by djt813, 13 June 2009 - 02:17 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:16 AM

Crosby doesn't deserve s***.....plain and simple, his teammates carried him all the way ala Hossa if we would have won (aka, overcome all the bullcrap from the league clearly not wanting us to win)
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:17 AM

as everyone has said... the officiating sucked ass. But the Wings are a good enough team to overcome that. and we simply did not play like that team.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE (puertoricanWingsfan @ June 13, 2009 - 12:17AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as everyone has said... the officiating sucked ass. But the Wings are a good enough team to overcome that. and we simply did not play like that team.


Agreed, very very sadly, agreed...

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:19 AM

QUOTE (Jersey Wing @ June 13, 2009 - 03:11AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you going to walk around still claiming the Wings are champions?


This team is still the best in the league, you play an exhibition game against ANY team in this league, hell even any team in Europe and this team will win. You know the reffing was horrible on both sides....imagine if they called it by the book. This series would have been over in 5, max.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:21 AM

there were missed calls and bulls*** calls both ways. we had more pp's throughout the series than the pens, we just didn't do anything with them. we had plenty of pp time tonight to get a goal, but we didn't get it done. other than the anomaly that was game five, the wings had 1f****** power play goal in six games. not too many teams are going to win a series with stats like that. the penguins got it done. they deserved to win. it's thef****** stanley cup. it's an 82 game grind and then four grueling rounds of balls-to-the-wall playoff hockey. the penguins got through it all and trumped the reigning champs in the last game of the season. they deserve it.

i'm no fan of pitsburg, but they were the better team this series. they got the job done. they are the rightful champs. end of story.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE (datsyukismyfriend @ June 13, 2009 - 12:21AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there were missed calls and bulls*** calls both ways. we had more pp's throughout the series than the pens, we just didn't do anything with them. we had plenty of pp time tonight to get a goal, but we didn't get it done. other than the anomaly that was game five, the wings had 1f****** power play goal in six games. not too many teams are going to win a series with stats like that. the penguins got it done. they deserved to win. it's thef****** stanley cup. it's an 82 game grind and then four grueling rounds of balls-to-the-wall playoff hockey. the penguins got through it all and trumped the reigning champs in the last game of the season. they deserve it.

i'm no fan of pitsburg, but they were the better team this series. they got the job done. they are the rightful champs. end of story.


Maybe you are more graceful than I, but I can't give them that much credit. Yes we got away with some calls. Just because we got more PP doesn't mean they didn't deserve more calls than they got. Yes, we didn't get the job done on the PP, or overall for that matter. But still no reason to substitute "Pitt accomplishment" for still impressive if slightly less respectable "capitalizing on opportunities given them".

Better than us, I guess the score & Cup shows that to be true, but can't say as having watched the whole series that is the story of the games. We didn't do our jobs, I admit that and can't say we earned the win, but also can't say as we entirely blew it when there are so many calls. We just didn't overcome all the bad luck and create our own "luck" like we are capable of and should have done.

Good season Wings, recharge and don't leave so much up to luck this year.

Anyone notice that Bettman was beaming handing the Cup to Crosby this year, yet a bit uncomfortable and hesitant handing it to Lidstrom last year?

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (Firehawk @ June 13, 2009 - 02:26AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe if we score more than 1 goal a frickin game we would have won...

Refs aren't the reason we lost.


More like refs aren't the only reason we lost. Dude get over it refs were factors in these games. Just in a different way everybody is used to.

Edited by Pavel Hossyukstrom, 13 June 2009 - 03:30 AM.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:30 AM

Do us a favor and cover your head in tin foil now to stop the CIA from reading your brainwaves and get it over with. These half-cocked conspiracy theories just make us look like poor losers. We lost because we did not play the hockey that got us to the Stanley Cup Finals. The refs did not throw the series to the Pens, the league had nothing to do with it.


Just stop it already.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 03:33 AM

I hate threads that make us look like sore losers, it's just not cool.
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:06 AM

Refs were brutal all playoffs.
But as they began I said over and over that I'd like to meet anybody from the Eastern Conference EXCEPT the Penguins. I don't even need to justify my remark but when fans of thef****** Avs and Ducks, and Canadian media and fans express shock at the calls the refs let the Pens get away with ... I know something is suspicious.
Last night they allowed more of the same slashing, hooking and cheapshots as they did all series. Unfortunately it was THE Cup clinching game.

The NHL got their wish.
Their so-called posterboy got his ring.
Too bad it's tainted.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE (puertoricanWingsfan @ June 13, 2009 - 03:17AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as everyone has said... the officiating sucked ass. But the Wings are a good enough team to overcome that. and we simply did not play like that team.

It's been that way since, and when, we won back-to-back. Wings against the world. The refs have had a little underdogitis when making calls. They're only human.

It used to be because we bought our cups. Now it's because of our recent successes.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:59 AM

This is the most whiny ***** post I have ever seen. I just want to go on the record as not being a ***** and buying into this crap. Except for game 5 the Penns had us on the ropes every game. They earned it. Deal with that. Take losing like a man, or go back to your butt buddy whiners and take it somewhere else.





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