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[cusimano_brothers]

In this SCF:
Detroit's "stars" played better than Pittsburgh's.
Pittsburgh's "role players" played better than Detroit's.
One more thing: at the Rowdy BBQ, there is no difference between IC and IC Light; it all comes out of the same urinal.

[Shoreline]

In this SCF:
Detroit's "stars" played better than Pittsburgh's.
Pittsburgh's "role players" played better than Detroit's.
One more thing: at the Rowdy BBQ, there is no difference between IC and IC Light; it all comes out of the same urinal.

Disagree completely that the Wings stars played better. If anything the Wings were riding the "depth" train while the "stars" train was virtually a no show.

[numberthirtynine]

Shoreline= Exhibit A. Notice I didn't just say this series? You're telling me you didn't notice it?

No matter how intelligent an objection, some folks just need to deny anythings up no matter what. Same people who think Dan O'Halloran is unbiased too maybe?

[Shoreline]

Shoreline= Exhibit A. Notice I didn't just say this series? You're telling me you didn't notice it?

No matter how intelligent an objection, some folks just need to deny anythings up no matter what. Same people who think Dan O'Halloran is unbiased too maybe?

Funny. I have been complaining about the refereeing all season, and last series got into a rather lengthy debate with one of the moderators here about how they've been targeting specific penalties and overlooking others a la pre-lockout era. If you look past this series, you'd not be making the silly "Exhibit A" claim incorrectly.

Now, as for how this amounts to them conspiring against the Wings? NO evidence backing that whatsoever. Surely it's nice that you're speaking your mind, but it isn't in the slightest bit reasonable to assert that the league or refs gave the cup to the Penguins. Not at all. You have NOTHING to back this claim up with. I've been debating this s***ty excuse for every Wings loss since the Ducks series where some fans here blame it on the refs every time. Nowhere in this equation does it cross your mind that maybe you just falsely believe this team can or should go 98-0 and if they don't it's a conspiracy. It IS possible there's a better team out there, mind you, who does get more breaks.

You also never mentioned the fact that this team has been tired throughout the series, tired, injured, and made many mental errors. That slashing Malkin's stick in half would have been called if the Penguins had done it too. Of course, you'll likely blame this on the refs as well. I've heard and debated these tired and rehashed assertions before. There is no ref conspiracy. The only conspiracy here is certain people's inability to understand that the team that had the health, energy, and follow through in this series won it. If you want to suggest the refs suck ass and that Bettman is an incompetent ******, you have an agreement from me. If you want to suggest the refs/league conspired to give the Penguins the cup, you're out of your mind.

Edited by Shoreline, 13 June 2009 - 10:47 AM.

[Jon22]

I don't know if anyone else in this thread was at the game last night, but I have this to say.

Maybe you didn't see the senseless no-look passes that ended up on Pittsburgh's sticks. Maybe you didn't see Detroit letting pucks bounce over their sticks endlessly. Maybe you didn't see the countless battles for the puck that Pittsburgh won. Maybe you didn't see Pittsburgh's shot-block total that would've given us over 20 more shots on net, and a good chance for a goal. You might not have thrown your hands in the air when Hossa carried the puck for way too long and lost it, or when one-timers that probably would've been goals were held onto instead for another Pittsburgh blocked shot.

You sure as hell didn't see the turnovers that gave Pittsburgh a pre-game warmup on Osgood. The ONLY 2 goals that Pittsburgh scored last night were goals that every kid and professional alike dream of scoring to win the Stanley Cup. They were freebies. They were GIFTS FROM THE RED WINGS.

The mistakes that were made last night that cost the Wings the game were the Wings fault. As hardcore of a fan that I am, there were maybe one or two times where I got upset at the refs last night. But in my seat, at the Joe last night, more times than one or two I said, "These guys look terrible", talking about our Red Wings.

Buy the DVD series that has all 7 games. Count EVERY ONE of Detroit's mistakes that somehow in some way could've led to a Detroit goal . Then count EVERY penalty against the Pens that wasn't called. We still lose.

[speedyquad]

both teams played well, but the pens played the game that detroit broguht to them last year. this year, detroit played the game that the pens brought last year. the pens played a more physical game that wore down the wings. they learned their lesson from last year. one thing that hur the wings was their overconfidence. they figured this series would be another walk in the park for them but the pens brought more to the picnic than what was expected adn the wings couldn't adjust enough. the only game the pens didn't "own" was game 5. the wings got some lucky breaks in games one and 2, mostly thanks to fluery's sub par play.

"good series" congrats go to both...but the more physical team won this year, same as last year.

[Shoreline]

I don't know if anyone else in this thread was at the game last night, but I have this to say.

Maybe you didn't see the senseless no-look passes that ended up on Pittsburgh's sticks. Maybe you didn't see Detroit letting pucks bounce over their sticks endlessly. Maybe you didn't see the countless battles for the puck that Pittsburgh won. Maybe you didn't see Pittsburgh's shot-block total that would've given us over 20 more shots on net, and a good chance for a goal. You might not have thrown your hands in the air when Hossa carried the puck for way too long and lost it, or when one-timers that probably would've been goals were held onto instead for another Pittsburgh blocked shot.

You sure as hell didn't see the turnovers that gave Pittsburgh a pre-game warmup on Osgood. The ONLY 2 goals that Pittsburgh scored last night were goals that every kid and professional alike dream of scoring to win the Stanley Cup. They were freebies. They were GIFTS FROM THE RED WINGS.

The mistakes that were made last night that cost the Wings the game were the Wings fault. As hardcore of a fan that I am, there were maybe one or two times where I got upset at the refs last night. But in my seat, at the Joe last night, more times than one or two I said, "These guys look terrible", talking about our Red Wings.

Buy the DVD series that has all 7 games. Count EVERY ONE of Detroit's mistakes that somehow in some way could've led to a Detroit goal . Then count EVERY penalty against the Pens that wasn't called. We still lose.

This is the epitome of the Wings/Penguins series.

Wings made lots of mistakes. The Penguins capitalized. In Game 7 the Wings refused to take it to the front of the net, opting for the usual bad-angle shots we're used to seeing from a tired team, and the forecheck was absolutely abysmal, with usually 1 or 2 Wings going into the zone with the puck or dumping it in, and like 4 Penguins back to retrieve it and get it out -- there was very little puck support until the 3rd. When a team makes mistakes, mental errors, and doesn't keep things simple, this is what happens. When the Wings won the cup last year it was they who were taking advantage of Pittsburgh's mental errors. When the effort and fewer mental mistakes are there, the bounces go that team's way and ultimately the calls too.

The people who turn around to blame the referees and opt for this feel-good conspiracy s*** just don't get it at all.

Edited by Shoreline, 13 June 2009 - 11:01 AM.

[DesertRatWingsFan]

Sadly you are right, only the score will be remember, not whether it was earned... and that just hurts more I think.

Remember game 3, we suffer 30 seconds of 6 on 5 play, refs see it & don't bother calling, then have the audacity to call us for a penalty 1 min later upon which Pit scores tying goal. Then call us for a weak interference in 3rd per for the same thing Hal Gill did all series long, upon which Pit scores winning goal. And Malkin racks up 3 assists in a game he rightfully should have been suspended from playing.

Makes you wonder why so many things have gone Pitt's way in this series????

What happened to "it all balances out in a series"????

Yes bitter, not letting it go, but also not gonna give Pitt more credit than they are due. They wanted it and cashed in on opportunities, but more often handed the opportunities by zebras than by our mistakes - with the obvious exception of our game 4 meltdown.

Once again proof that the NHL = WWE! They should just call the pens the Pittsburgh Michael Jordans.

[10 Minute Misconduct]

In this SCF:
Detroit's "star" played better than Pittsburgh's.
Pittsburgh's "role players" played better than Detroit's.
One more thing: at the Rowdy BBQ, there is no difference between IC and IC Light; it all comes out of the same urinal.

Fixed.

Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Hossa = no shows

Zetterberg was the only "star" to play up to his capabilities.

[Detroit # 1 Fan]

Eh, your whining, but having Pens fans come in here and gloat make me want to blame the refs. Double negative, they were a better team then us, and earned this Cup, regardless of anything else. Pens fans, the good ones, enjoy it boys. Pens fans, the douchers, I hope Hal Gill loses the Cup in his pool like Blake did many moons ago.

[talbot0wnz]

classy wings fans, i give props to you. thanks for the congrats and actually giving our team credit. i truly hope we meet next year for a SCF rubber match....

and you guys have won how many SC's? i wouldn't hang my head.

[Shoreline]

Btw.. how the penalties went down this year vs last year's finals.. (and the score for that game in parenthesis) - in bold are both the team with the most penalties and the team with the winning score..

2008
Game 1: DET 5, PIT 6 (DET 4, PIT 0) <- Pens more penalties, Wings victory
Game 2: DET 8, PIT 15 (DET 3, PIT 0) <- Pens more penalties, Wings victory
Game 3: DET 3, PIT 5 (DET 2, PIT 3) <- Pens more penalties, Pens victory
Game 4: DET 8, PIT 5 (DET 2, PIT 1) <- Wings more penalties, Wings victory
Game 5: DET 6, PIT 6 (DET 3, PIT 4; 3OT) <- Tied in penalties, Pens victory
Game 6: DET 6, PIT 4 (DET 3, PIT 2) <- Wings more penalties, Wings victory

2009
Game 1: DET 2, PIT 1 (DET 3, PIT 1) <- Wings more penalties, Wings victory
Game 2: DET 2, PIT 5 (DET 3, PIT 1) <- Pens more penalties, Wings victory
Game 3: DET 3, PIT 2 (DET 2, PIT 4) <- Wings more penalties, Pens victory
Game 4: DET 4, PIT 5 (DET 2, PIT 4) <- Pens more penalties, Pens victory
Game 5: DET 3, PIT 12 (DET 5, PIT 0) <- Pens more penalties, Wings victory
Game 6: DET 2, PIT 2 (DET 1, PIT 2) <- Tied in penalties, Pens victory
Game 7: DET 2, PIT 3 (DET 1, PIT 2) <- Pens more penalties, Pens victory

In 2008 finals, the team that had more penalties called on them was 3-2 (Wings with 2 of the 3 wins)
In 2009 finals, the team that had more penalties called on them was 3-3 (Pens with 2 of the 3 wins)

Total series penalties
2008: DET 36, PIT 41
2009: DET 18, PIT 28

Penguins called for more penalties in both series'.

Edited by Shoreline, 14 June 2009 - 01:28 AM.

[gordie_howe]

Game 7 Pittsburgh 1st goal - offside play, as documented by NHL hired national broadcast crew.
Game 7 Pittsburgh 2nd goal - one minute after horrific Hal Gill interference on dump in, not surprisingly not called.

Detroit goal, well, no ref help on that one.

Real score: Detroit 1, Pittsburgh 0, NHL League office/Refs/Gary Bettman 2. Sorry to see the league goals are chalked up on the Pitt side!

Hate to be a bitter, homer fan, but the reality is that sometimes that is justified by the circumstances!

Refs ref and players play.

There is no conspiracy. The Wings lost. The Pens won. Refs ref, players play.

Refs can screw up, players can screw up (Brad Stuart).

You win and lose as a team.

This thread is just grasping at straws.

[stillwater]

The officiating was pretty bad throughout the playoffs. The only call that really upset me was the call on Big E late in game 3.

[REDWINGSFTW]

Game 7 Pittsburgh 1st goal - offside play, as documented by NHL hired national broadcast crew.
Game 7 Pittsburgh 2nd goal - one minute after horrific Hal Gill interference on dump in, not surprisingly not called.

Detroit goal, well, no ref help on that one.

Real score: Detroit 1, Pittsburgh 0, NHL League office/Refs/Gary Bettman 2. Sorry to see the league goals are chalked up on the Pitt side!

Hate to be a bitter, homer fan, but the reality is that sometimes that is justified by the circumstances!

dude an icing is an icing, leave the offside play alone those are close calls, they shudve called the icing, the score wudve been 1, 1 u see the pressure detroit put at the end, they were playing good then, and an overtime wudve been in this game.

[Coffey77]

Game 7 Pittsburgh 1st goal - offside play, as documented by NHL hired national broadcast crew.
Game 7 Pittsburgh 2nd goal - one minute after horrific Hal Gill interference on dump in, not surprisingly not called.

Detroit goal, well, no ref help on that one.

Real score: Detroit 1, Pittsburgh 0, NHL League office/Refs/Gary Bettman 2. Sorry to see the league goals are chalked up on the Pitt side!

Hate to be a bitter, homer fan, but the reality is that sometimes that is justified by the circumstances!

Wow you're such a baby and a sore loser. Grow up and accept the loss.

[Mike]

Wow you're such a baby and a sore loser. Grow up and accept the loss.

Only an idiot comes back to the opposing team's forum and tries to start s***. Respond to the comments or shut up.

[miller76]

Wow you're such a baby and a sore loser.

troll

[Coffey77]

troll

Good one. Im sincerely hurt.

[Mike]

Good one. Im sincerely hurt.

Give it up already dude. No one cares.