So, Crosby has his cup..

[Outsider 42]

Crosby is hated because he's the best player in hockey. period. Why does he get so much attention from hockey media? because he's really, really, really good.

No, pumpkin. Crosby is hated because he's a whining little ***** boy. Yes, he's talented, but he's no kind of "leader". The boy is a cheap shot artist and perhaps the WORST diver the League has EVER seen. And that's saying something.

He's a smarmy, smug little troll with a "Daddy says I'M the prettiest, and the smartest, and the bestest, and Daddy is ALWAYS RIGHT, so there!" attitude which makes just about EVERYONE OTHER than Penguins fans want to vomit.

The fact that he's shoved down everyone's throat, non-stop, only exacerbates the contempt he's held in by fans AND by HIS OWN PEERS.

Ovechkin is an all world talent. Nobody "hates" Ovenchicken.

Hell, Crosby isn't the "best player in hockey." He's not even the best player on his OWN TEAM. Malkin is. See any League wide contempt for Malkin, amongst fans OR his peers? Nope.

You're dillusional if you think that the only, (or even the MAIN), reason why so many people can't stand Sidney is because "he's soooo good", therefore there's some kind of jealously factor involved.

Of course....that's the same smarmy, (yes....that word keeps coming up to describe him....it fits him VERY well!), little attitude that Sidney himself has. Isn't it?

Oh....

And the reason that the hockey media follows him around is not ONLY because he's "just that good".

It's ALSO because Bettman needed a "face" for the NHL, much like the NBA has a "face".

And it wouldn't be NEARLY as easy to market a couple of RUSSIAN FACES, faces who BARELY SPEAK ENGLISH, to the Canadian and American markets.

Enjoy the Cup while your Team has it, pumpkin. However, you might want to exercise a little humility in the face of their first victory in nearly two decades after YEARS of tanking it in the Regular Season so they could stockpile high draft picks year after year.

Or perhaps you're proud of the way your Team was "built", by years and years of FAILURE, both competitively AND economically. Easy to say now that the ends justified the means.

Time will tell, I suppose. Hey! It worked when they threw the Season in order to draft Mario! Why not try it again? Right?

As quickly as it comes.....

It can GO, just as easily.

So remember this:

It took their BEST, "most focused" effort to beat an injury riddled Team, including major injuries to their Norris Trophy Defenseman and Captain, AND their Hart Trophy Candidate and Selke Winning Forward, coupled with an almost completely HALF ASSED EFFORT by nearly everyone on the opposing Team......

......to win by ONE goal in a 7th Game.

They took advantage and capitalized on the opportunity. Congratulations to them.

Now....

Don't you have some celebrating to do? Somewhere? With someone? Or does hanging around here thumping your chest somehow make it more "real" for you?

[Snazzy 0]

you misread what i typed. here's the facts:

Zetterberg:

'03 All-Rookie Team

'08 Conn Smythe

Crosby:

'07 Art Ross

'07 Lester B. Pearson

'07 Hart Memorial Trophy

'07 First All-Star Team

'06 All-Rookie Team

'07, '08, '09 All-Star Game

'07 Mark Messier Leadership Award

Bear in mind, Zetterberg is 28, and Crosby is 21. I could keep going and going, but I don't want to embarass you.

You misread what I typed. I said:

Our Zetterberg:

'03 All-Rookie Team

'08 Conn Smythe

Owned

Your Crosby:

'07 Art Ross

'07 Lester B. Pearson

'07 Hart Memorial Trophy

'07 First All-Star Team

'06 All-Rookie Team

'07, '08, '09 All-Star Game

'07 Mark Messier Leadership Award

Your superstar (aka the worlds best hockey player to ever lace em up) was shut down and OWNED by Zetterberg. Zetterberg made your Crosby (aka the bestestz playerz in the whole widezzzz worldzzz) invisible in the SCF series.

Our rookie (Justin Abdelkader) who played only 3 games in the SCF out performed your Crosby (aka the bestestz playerz in the whole widezzzz worldzzz) hockey player.

Edited June 14, 2009 by Snazzy

[gordie_howe 0]

You misread what I typed. I said:

Our Zetterberg:

'03 All-Rookie Team

'08 Conn Smythe

Owned

Your Crosby:

'07 Art Ross

'07 Lester B. Pearson

'07 Hart Memorial Trophy

'07 First All-Star Team

'06 All-Rookie Team

'07, '08, '09 All-Star Game

'07 Mark Messier Leadership Award

Your superstar (aka the worlds best hockey player to ever lace em up) was shut down and OWNED by Zetterberg. Zetterberg made your Crosby (aka the bestestz playerz in the whole widezzzz worldzzz) invisible in the SCF series.

Our rookie (Justin Abdelkader) who played only 3 games in the SCF out performed your Crosby (aka the bestestz playerz in the whole widezzzz worldzzz) hockey player.

Then we should have won!

Oh, wait.

[detwings91 0]

you misread what i typed. here's the facts:

Zetterberg:

'03 All-Rookie Team

'08 Conn Smythe

Crosby:

'07 Art Ross

'07 Lester B. Pearson

'07 Hart Memorial Trophy

'07 First All-Star Team

'06 All-Rookie Team

'07, '08, '09 All-Star Game

'07 Mark Messier Leadership Award

Bear in mind, Zetterberg is 28, and Crosby is 21. I could keep going and going, but I don't want to embarass you.

Dude, no one is embarassed....We played hard and it was a tough series. I am impressed with your stats. But you missed a few z was an all rook in 03, and Z was voted starter to the 08 allstar game, He was the calder trophy runner up as was Crosby....and something Crosby hasn't done...Z has been nominated to multiple Selke's, i will get back to that in a 2nd......another stat u may like....crosby and malkin were both a minus for the series, and Z was a plus 5. Malkin scored like 8 points in the series and going in to game 7 he was a negative 2.....that's down right horrible. I think crosby and malkin are very skilled and gifted players, but the facts are the facts, Z has shut down crosby for two straight finals, and Z has two pieces of hardware that are just as important if not more important then anything of Crosby's, and that is the Cup, and the Conn Smythe, Crosby had a shot at the Conn this year but Z stoped him, Crosby has a cup yea thats great, but it is not an embarassment in the least bit. Back to the Selke's......he lost to his teammate....Dat...not bad company...Z is one of the best if not the best defensive forwards in the game.....He has proven that, you should know....he shut down your boy. Good series, but it wasn't embarrassing....embarrassing was crosby not shaking lidstrom's hand....crosby has skill and he has alot of awards....Z is right there as well...and he has class.....hope i didn't embarrass you too bad.

[IceMunkee 15]

you misread what i typed. here's the facts:

Zetterberg:

'03 All-Rookie Team

'08 Conn Smythe

Crosby:

'07 Art Ross

'07 Lester B. Pearson

'07 Hart Memorial Trophy

'07 First All-Star Team

'06 All-Rookie Team

'07, '08, '09 All-Star Game

'07 Mark Messier Leadership Award

Bear in mind, Zetterberg is 28, and Crosby is 21. I could keep going and going, but I don't want to embarass you.

I am not a conspiracy fan but this post gives all the ammo one would need.

The Art Ross - I got nothing but he plays in the East and it is hard for Z sometimes to score a s*** ton of points while shutting down the World's Biggest Stars!

The Lester B Pearson - He got this probably because of who was voting. The only thing I know for certain the players won't vote for him again... EVER. Actually I think he gripped tied for 8th behind Datsyuk, Z, and Lids voted by 350 current NHL players.

'07 The Hart - Well he probably was the best that year. The hart is slightly jaded by point production though. The don't normally take in consideration the 2 way ability...

I got nothing for the All Star appearances. He is a great player

'07 Mark Messier - That is about the biggest joke of a winner ever. EVER.

Maybe it is slightly true that the NHL brass is beefing up thier Billboard with some hardware... maybe...

edit: I just want to add that the thread was stupid from the get go... But start picking and comparing Z with Sid, I want to get involved!

Edited June 14, 2009 by IceMunkee

[talbot0wnz 0]

You misread what I typed. I said:

Our Zetterberg:

'03 All-Rookie Team

'08 Conn Smythe

Owned

Your Crosby:

'07 Art Ross

'07 Lester B. Pearson

'07 Hart Memorial Trophy

'07 First All-Star Team

'06 All-Rookie Team

'07, '08, '09 All-Star Game

'07 Mark Messier Leadership Award

Your superstar (aka the worlds best hockey player to ever lace em up) was shut down and OWNED by Zetterberg. Zetterberg made your Crosby (aka the bestestz playerz in the whole widezzzz worldzzz) invisible in the SCF series.

Our rookie (Justin Abdelkader) who played only 3 games in the SCF out performed your Crosby (aka the bestestz playerz in the whole widezzzz worldzzz) hockey player.

Dude, I could sit here and explain hockey to you for hours, and you still wouldn't understand it. Comparing Abby to Syd? LOLOLOLOL. and Zetterberg hardly got any points against Syd either, they were rather evenly matched (not points wise). Also, Crosby is such a good player that the wings focused too much on him, which gave players like Malkin and Talbot a chance to shine.

You're such a hater, it's unreal. I love it, I love haters like you. I have a lot of respect for guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom, great hockey players. You, on the other hand, can't see past your own loyalty and see that Crosby isn't just an ok, or even a really good player, he's one of the best. Both quantitatively and qualitatively. If you don't have any haters, you're not doing anything right.

[Snazzy 0]

Then we should have won!

Oh, wait.

Give props to the Penguins for taking full advantage of their opportunities and Wings injuries. I'm still laughing my ass of at the 20+ second of too many men non call against the Pens. I am bitter about the cheap shot Malkin took on Zetterberg at the end of game 2. Bettman clearly bent the rules on that instigator penalty.

Kudos to them for taking advantage. I doubt their win feels hollow, by no means was it easy for them to win. The injured Red Wings and the AHL roster fought them hard to the end!

[talbot0wnz 0]

Give props to the Penguins for taking full advantage of their opportunities and Wings injuries. I'm still laughing my ass of at the 20+ second of too many men non call against the Pens. I am bitter about the cheap shot Malkin took on Zetterberg at the end of game 2. Bettman clearly bent the rules on that instigator penalty.

Kudos to them for taking advantage. I doubt their win feels hollow, by no means was it easy for them to win. The injured Red Wings and the AHL roster fought them hard to the end!

Winners make plays, losers make excuses.

yeah man, i feel sorry for the wings, the rules were bent in the pens favor....doesn't that eat you up inside, that it was the wings vs. the nhl? god that must really suck man. you know what, hold that thought.....

[IceMunkee 15]

Dude, I could sit here and explain hockey to you for hours, and you still wouldn't understand it. Comparing Abby to Syd? LOLOLOLOL. and Zetterberg hardly got any points against Syd either, they were rather evenly matched (not points wise). Also, Crosby is such a good player that the wings focused too much on him, which gave players like Malkin and Talbot a chance to shine.

You're such a hater, it's unreal. I love it, I love haters like you. I have a lot of respect for guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom, great hockey players. You, on the other hand, can't see past your own loyalty and see that Crosby isn't just an ok, or even a really good player, he's one of the best. Both quantitatively and qualitatively. If you don't have any haters, you're not doing anything right.

This I can agree with. I think it may be possible that we were so concerned with Crosby and Malkin that it gave the depth oppurtunities.

I think the same thing happened with Detroit against Chicago, Anahiem and Columbus. The focused so much on the Fury of Z, Mule and Dats that guys like Abby and Helm a chance to be dangerous. Your kinda a smart Pen fan... I was beginning to think they either were never born or extinct. Ah there is hope. Spread your knowledge Jedi. Share the wealth of honesty and knowledge...

Seriously I need some sleep....

edit: I have alot of haters... So I must be a friggin badass!!!!

Edited June 14, 2009 by IceMunkee

[talbot0wnz 0]

I got nothing for the All Star appearances. He is a great player

dude, that's all i'm getting at. and that's not saying zetterberg isn't. but if you're building a team and you could pick any player right now, honestly, how could you not pick crosby? christ, he makes billy guerin look great.

[detwings91 0]

Crosby is hated because he's the best player in hockey. period. Why does he get so much attention from hockey media? because he's really, really, really good. Yeah, he had a poor finals, but so did the entire line he was matched against. He was fantastic throughout the regular season and the first three rounds of the playoffs, give him credit. Throughout his NHL career, he has 397 pts in 290 regular season games. In short, don't hate the player, hate the game. Yeah, it seems as though he's very over-exposed, but it's not like he's some run of the mill player.

And for all the talent that the wings have (which is quite a lot) if one of them decided to step up and score even 1 or 2 more goals, things would be much different.

o hey again.......ovie has 420 points in 324 games.....he won the calder over geuss who SID! he has 219 goals.....o and in 14 games this postseason he had 21 points....now i know pitt beat dc...but head to head...ovie wins.......plays he's tougher.....Another quick note.....Crosby was the #1 PICK....HE BETTER BE GOOD. zetterberg and all the other wings were like late 1st rounders....2nd...3rd...hell even later.....Point i am trying to make is.....crosby has to be that good for his team to even have a chance to win.....bc without him pit is nowhere....Z doesn't have to score 50 a season for us to win, he just buys into the system and plays within the team, he could put more points on the board if he wanted to...and by the way he has scored more goals in one season then crosby....43 to 39....sid and pass no question.....but hes not doing anything different then gretzky or yzerman or fedorov or forsberg, hull, sakic all those other great players....he's good, it isn't the best ever, not even close......hell here's a shocker for ya man...i think the best player ever...ready for this? Mario Lemieux hands down...had he not had cancer he'd have broken alot of the records if not all of them, hell i m even named after the guy, but crosby is not lemieux.......hell jager had similiar numbers to crosby....bet u thought he was god too eh?

[Outsider 42]

If you don't have any haters, you're not doing anything right.

No. Sorry. You just gave away your age with that comment, kiddo.

That may be true in today's "Bling is king" "Ghetto cool" type of world. Kids. Go figure.

How many "haters" does Lidstrom have?

I wonder how many "haters" Yzerman had.

Sakic?

Bourque?

Modano?

Those guys have/had a few things going for them.

And for the record, you couldn't explain anything, to anyone, "for hours".

It would only take seconds for one to grow sick of you and walk away.

Maybe that's why you're here......

[IceMunkee 15]

No. Sorry. You just gave away your age with that comment, kiddo.

That may be true in today's "Bling is king" "Ghetto cool" type of world. Kids. Go figure.

How many "haters" does Lidstrom have?

I wonder how many "haters" Yzerman had.

Sakic?

Bourque?

Modano?

Those guys have/had a few things going for them.

And for the record, you couldn't explain anything, to anyone, "for hours".

It would only take seconds for one to grow sick of you and walk away.

Maybe that's why you're here......

That is a very, very good point. Why is your brain working so late and mine is not... Well said. Also I like the Bling is King comment. I am king I just 27 inch rims put on my 94 escort... Talk about bling...

[Snazzy 0]

You're such a hater, it's unreal. I love it, I love haters like you.

I am a hater.

Being that I am true die hard fan of the National Hockey League and what it has stood for since the beginning, and seeing it become a fragile sport in terms of ratings, I just hate to see such a great sport get ruined and tainted from the classlessness from the face of the NHL -- " the chosen one". I hate Crosby for his crying, his diving, his complaining, his unsportsmanship and because he's a *****.... Just the way he handles himself on and off the ice in general. He expects to get favors... and it's pathetic.

I respect the greats like

Sakic

Modano

Drake

Yzerman

Lidstrom

And any other true leaders with class. Crosby, who is a good player, is being shoved down the throats of potential new followers of the NHL. Seeing as how Crosby acts, it would be easy for them to be turned off by hockey.

I want to see the NHL grow and become stronger and a more favored sport, unfortunately, Crosby is ruining it for everyone. And don't think I am putting all the blame on Crosby, cause I blame Bettman too.

Since you love haters like me, then you must hate the NHL.

Edited June 14, 2009 by Snazzy

[talbot0wnz 0]

This I can agree with. I think it may be possible that we were so concerned with Crosby and Malkin that it gave the depth oppurtunities.

I think the same thing happened with Detroit against Chicago, Anahiem and Columbus. The focused so much on the Fury of Z, Mule and Dats that guys like Abby and Helm a chance to be dangerous. Your kinda a smart Pen fan... I was beginning to think they either were never born or extinct. Ah there is hope. Spread your knowledge Jedi. Share the wealth of honesty and knowledge...

Seriously I need some sleep....

edit: I have alot of haters... So I must be a friggin badass!!!!

thanks, there are way more stupid pens fans than smart ones. that goes for the majority of sports fans. don't even get me started on steelers fans ("bench roethlisberger!!"). most are just that - fans. they really don't understand what's going on inside the game and have a hard time abandoning their loyalties, the same goes for a lot of wings fans here. "CROSBY SUCKS!!11" "He's overhyped, waahh". Here's a tip: get used to Crosby's name being mentioned. He is that good. Keep thinking that he's not. By the end of his career, you'll all be wishing you would've won the draft lottery. And if you haven't already, you have no business making any sort of comment on the sport of hockey. Mark my words.

Peace, haters.

[stillwater 186]

I hate haters as well, but in all fairness, there's a lot of stupid Wings fan too. Just read this forum.

[Snazzy 0]

Here's a tip: get used to Crosby's name being mentioned. He is that good. Keep thinking that he's not. By the end of his career, you'll all be wishing you would've won the draft lottery. And if you haven't already, you have no business making any sort of comment on the sport of hockey. Mark my words.

Peace, haters.

Make Bettman happy!

[FromItaly 0]

We hate Crosby because he is the best?

Wow... I remember when Gretzky and Lemieux were playing. They were the best (truly), and everybody respected them for that. Now we respect Joe Sakic, although he used to be one of our fiercest opponents and he defeated us in more than one occasion (and far more deservedly than you guys did this year).

If Crosby were really the best player around - i.e. if he were a true leader, a decent sportsman, and if he were more of a two-way player - we would respect him. He is not, and yet it sounds like this is HIS cup... That's the thing I personally hate, and I would hate that as well if I were one of the Pens players that ACTUALLY did something to win (Staal, Talbot, etc.).

As for the original topic, I guess Bettman has accomplished his two big projects, the Ducks and the Pens. Now it's time he moves on to another one. Chicago, maybe?

Edited June 14, 2009 by FromItaly

[talbot0wnz 0]

message boards with idiots weren't around back when lemieux, gretzky, and sakic played (or they weren't that popular). i guarantee you if this were '96-'97, you'd be saying way worse things about sakic. crosby right now is the player you all love to hate. if he wasn't that good, you guys wouldn't be so obsessed with him and make every other thread mention his name.

and please, DON"T STOP talking about how the whole thing was fixed! classic entertainment, god i love sore losers! I've seen and heard a lot of people who can't take losing, but that really tops it, so don't stop.

Edited June 14, 2009 by talbot0wnz

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

This kind of scary:

[IceMunkee 15]

thanks, there are way more stupid pens fans than smart ones. that goes for the majority of sports fans. don't even get me started on steelers fans ("bench roethlisberger!!"). most are just that - fans. they really don't understand what's going on inside the game and have a hard time abandoning their loyalties, the same goes for a lot of wings fans here. "CROSBY SUCKS!!11" "He's overhyped, waahh". Here's a tip: get used to Crosby's name being mentioned. He is that good. Keep thinking that he's not. By the end of his career, you'll all be wishing you would've won the draft lottery. And if you haven't already, you have no business making any sort of comment on the sport of hockey. Mark my words.

Peace, haters.

I don't disagree that Crosby is a great player. You stated earlier that Crosby is the greatest in the league. This I definitly disagree with. Greatest in the league encompasses more then just offense prowess and playmaking ability. I am not sure Crosby is the best on his team, he was not a differance maker in the finals. I definitly know he is not the best in the East. I also believe that if Crosby played in the East he would not register as many points. I can tolerate him being good, even great but not the greatest. He has a long way to go. He does whine alot, he is Bettman's favorite little boy in his spank bank, he does get compared to Yzerman, Gretzky, Messier and others but even with his "award" for leadership I am not convinced. You have to at least understand why Wings fans, all other fans, and most of the PLAYERS in the league hate him.

[Sneaky Pete 0]

As a Pens fan I'm willing to admit that Crosby isn't yet the best player in the league, but he is pretty damn good and he has tons of potential. His story and his face are marketable. Sadly, the NHL needs to exploit that to keep new fans coming to the sport. The very new fans that Red Wing's fans will cal bandwagoners etc. But like it or not, the die-hard regualars won't pay the bills without new fans...guilible fans that buy shirts and pucks and tickets and internet packages etc

Crosby has so much potential. Age and experience and being a pupil of Mario will help him shape himself into one of the best of all times. I think most of you know this, deep down.

[talbot0wnz 0]

I don't disagree that Crosby is a great player. You stated earlier that Crosby is the greatest in the league. This I definitly disagree with. Greatest in the league encompasses more then just offense prowess and playmaking ability. I am not sure Crosby is the best on his team, he was not a differance maker in the finals. I definitly know he is not the best in the East. I also believe that if Crosby played in the East he would not register as many points. I can tolerate him being good, even great but not the greatest. He has a long way to go. He does whine alot, he is Bettman's favorite little boy in his spank bank, he does get compared to Yzerman, Gretzky, Messier and others but even with his "award" for leadership I am not convinced. You have to at least understand why Wings fans, all other fans, and most of the PLAYERS in the league hate him.

I do understand it. I've stated why I think everyone hates Crosby repeatedly in this thread. If you've watched Crosby at all, even just this season, he's way more than just an offensive center man. He plays great D, works hard along the boards, and can even get the gritty goals or make the gritty plays. He's the complete package. The reason he didn't put up huge numbers is the finals is because the wings (much like in '08) game planned around him, especially their 1st line. Zetterberg and Lidstrom actually did a great job against him this year, and last year. It's hard to put up the numbers he did earlier when a team is doing everything it can to make sure you don't have success. One of the reasons why the wings lost was because Malkin and the rest of team decided to show up this year, unlike last year.

Also, I refuse to buy in to this idea that the west is somehow more talented than the east. That's so bogus and another NHL myth. A lot of people in the east think the western teams are "soft" but i don't agree with that either. Look at the previous cup winners. It's a good mix of east and west, with the wings over representing the west.

As far as Bettman loving him, whatever. He has to somehow find a way to market his sport. He could care less if people love or hate Crosby, just so long as people are giving him attention and find a way to spend money on their product. He's a businessman trying to make money, there's no reason to look at it differently.

[Bdog 0]

Seriously now...Is it really Crosby's fault he is getting our negative attention? Not really. The NHL and media has brought him up this way. It's a lot different now than years ago, we are in a selfless world with little morals and respect. So sure, I guess Sid is the future. What do you get when you raise a spoiled brat and tell him he is the next Gretzky and the face of the NHL? I'm sure he didn't start out this way and really didn't ask for it. Hell, if I were Malkin I'd be pissed the world thinks Crosby's the best on the team.

Look back on another person, Eric Lindros...he was also supposed to be the next big thing. I am a Wing nut also but lets give the kid some slack. He's what, 20 (can't even grow a real beard) and has been given the world on a platter. How would we have responded?

All I know is the Hank showed how good Crosby really is. COMPLETE SHUTDOWN!!!!! NOT A FACTOR!!!! Atta boy Hank, you showed who the true superstar and face of the NHL should be. Played incredibly on both sides of the ice, logged in mega minutes, fought off cheap shots, and remained humble through it all. To focus on Crosby and then turn it around offensively without much support says tons. Definitely our next Captain. NEXT YEAR

[Zack is Great 14]

I do understand it. I've stated why I think everyone hates Crosby repeatedly in this thread. If you've watched Crosby at all, even just this season, he's way more than just an offensive center man. He plays great D, works hard along the boards, and can even get the gritty goals or make the gritty plays. He's the complete package. The reason he didn't put up huge numbers is the finals is because the wings (much like in '08) game planned around him, especially their 1st line. Zetterberg and Lidstrom actually did a great job against him this year, and last year. It's hard to put up the numbers he did earlier when a team is doing everything it can to make sure you don't have success. One of the reasons why the wings lost was because Malkin and the rest of team decided to show up this year, unlike last year.

Also, I refuse to buy in to this idea that the west is somehow more talented than the east. That's so bogus and another NHL myth. A lot of people in the east think the western teams are "soft" but i don't agree with that either. Look at the previous cup winners. It's a good mix of east and west, with the wings over representing the west.

As far as Bettman loving him, whatever. He has to somehow find a way to market his sport. He could care less if people love or hate Crosby, just so long as people are giving him attention and find a way to spend money on their product. He's a businessman trying to make money, there's no reason to look at it differently.

Crosby plays good D now? Coulda fooled me. He's a great player for what he does, which is making plays and scoring goals, but a good dman he is not.