Zetts 236 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...en_red_win.html It's at the bottom of the article. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Hmm. Interesting. I don't have a problem w/ this. He could be called up due to injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 expected that, but... nice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 glad to see the d-mac still in the org! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Sorry, but why? The guy played what, half a dozen games last season? Fact is the Wings wasted $1M in cap space last year on him and Downey (because of their age, their NHL salary still counts against the cap, despite being on a 2 way contract). If they want to give him a contract with the Griffins, fantastic. Let him teach the young 'uns the Wings way, and what NOT to do, but the guy is, sadly, not an NHL player any more Use the money to sign a guy who can fight AND still play in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Gee, we value loyalty more than ability to perform. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 C'mon guys, Kenny Holland must have a good reason. Loyalty does not mean charity, so McCarty must still have some redeeming value in the eyes of Holland and Illitch. I would have to think he gives great mentoring down in GR, a message that cannot come from anybody else.. The guy's been thru everything and is a real life example of how fleating an NHL career can be. No one appreciates the opportunity to be in GR more than Darren McCarty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 I'm surprised, but happy. I know I won't get to see him, but gosh darn it, he's teaching the kids. I just got done watching the '97 and '98 DVD's (b-day present from the hamster), so I admit to being nostalgic right now. He's not the Mac of those years, and never will be again, but if he still has something to offer, I'm glad he's able to do it. I'm also glad that his life is still on the right track. I was expecting player-coach in GR, but if this is what Kenny wants, then this is what I'll take. I trust Kenny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Systemfel 33 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) Sorry, but why? The guy played what, half a dozen games last season? Fact is the Wings wasted $1M in cap space last year on him and Downey (because of their age, their NHL salary still counts against the cap, despite being on a 2 way contract).Why would Downey's salary have counted? He's not even 35+ NOW. Downey only cost the Wings $22,000 against the cap. McCarty was on the LTIR for three months, so he only cost $420,000. Edited June 26, 2009 by Systemfel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C20lw 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 It will be good to see him for a few games this year. I agree he will come up to cover up for injuries, but still nice to know hes still around. He can def teach some of the younger guys, and still have a presence in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayUp88 1 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 He does so much for the organization behind the scenes that people never see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Sorry, but why? The guy played what, half a dozen games last season? Fact is the Wings wasted $1M in cap space last year on him and Downey (because of their age, their NHL salary still counts against the cap, despite being on a 2 way contract). If they want to give him a contract with the Griffins, fantastic. Let him teach the young 'uns the Wings way, and what NOT to do, but the guy is, sadly, not an NHL player any more Use the money to sign a guy who can fight AND still play in the NHL. No it doesn't. The only time their salary counts against the Wings cap is when they are called up. Since they both spent the majority of their time in GR, their salaries had very little impact on the cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Gee, we value loyalty more than ability to perform. Yes, what a horrible job we do maintaining talent. That's why we can't make the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Why would Downey's salary have counted? He's not even 35+ NOW. Downey only cost the Wings $22,000 against the cap. McCarty was on the LTIR for three months, so he only cost $420,000. I stand to be corrected, but I'm sure I remember reading that Downey still counted against the cap. Lord knows there were enough threads about the cap last September. therock48880[/b]]No it doesn't. The only time their salary counts against the Wings cap is when they are called up. Since they both spent the majority of their time in GR, their salaries had very little impact on the cap No, because players over 35, even if on a 2-way contract still count against the cap (see Sytemfel above stating McCarty cost us $420k) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat 44 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Mccarty only counted 91k against the cap, I suspect the same will happen this year unless a big injury occurs.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Yes, what a horrible job we do maintaining talent. That's why we can't make the playoffs. Haha yes, because things should never be looked at in isolation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Sorry, but why? The guy played what, half a dozen games last season? Fact is the Wings wasted $1M in cap space last year on him and Downey (because of their age, their NHL salary still counts against the cap, despite being on a 2 way contract). If they want to give him a contract with the Griffins, fantastic. Let him teach the young 'uns the Wings way, and what NOT to do, but the guy is, sadly, not an NHL player any more Use the money to sign a guy who can fight AND still play in the NHL. Gee, we value loyalty more than ability to perform. I stand to be corrected, but I'm sure I remember reading that Downey still counted against the cap. Lord knows there were enough threads about the cap last September. No, because players over 35, even if on a 2-way contract still count against the cap (see Sytemfel above stating McCarty cost us $420k) Nope. Only 1 way deals for players over 35 count against the cap regardless. There's a reason why you pay two different salaries for a two-way deal. Even if it did count against the cap it would be a maximum of 75k which is a fraction of the lowest allowable salary in the NHL. Like the article says, McCarty would play in Grand Rapids next year. Not taking up a roster or cap space. I fail to see a downside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pretty Irish Girl 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 This may be a stupid question, but how was McCarty offered a contract before July 1st? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20...en_red_win.html It's at the bottom of the article. Sounds good to me. He's a great mentor to have in Grand Rapids and would be a really cheap call-up for injuries. The most important point is to keep him in GR where he can help the kids down there and show them how loyal the Wings are to their players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Nope. Only 1 way deals for players over 35 count against the cap regardless. There's a reason why you pay two different salaries for a two-way deal. Even if it did count against the cap it would be a maximum of 75k which is a fraction of the lowest allowable salary in the NHL. Like the article says, McCarty would play in Grand Rapids next year. Not taking up a roster or cap space. I fail to see a downside. This. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged_Wheeler 3 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Gee, we value loyalty more than ability to perform. Exactly, once you're a Red Wings, you're always one in the eyes of Mike Illitch. Why do you think Brad McCrimmon was hired as the defensive coach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 He's a great guy to have around. I knew this was coming, it is the Red Wings, good news, now get Downey signed up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 The "over-35" clause is only applicable if the guy retires. If hes on a two-way contract, he gets paid one salary in the AHL, and a different, bigger salary at the NHL. At no point does a player playing in the AHL who has a two-way contract count fully against the cap. He'll probably see about 12 games, I'd suspect. Good move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Sorry, but why? The guy played what, half a dozen games last season? Fact is the Wings wasted $1M in cap space last year on him and Downey (because of their age, their NHL salary still counts against the cap, despite being on a 2 way contract). If they want to give him a contract with the Griffins, fantastic. Let him teach the young 'uns the Wings way, and what NOT to do, but the guy is, sadly, not an NHL player any more Use the money to sign a guy who can fight AND still play in the NHL. Agreed. I love Dmac, but he just doesn't contribute anything at the NHL level. He doesn't score, he's not fast, he doesn't kill penalties, and he doesn't even fight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 Agreed. I love Dmac, but he just doesn't contribute anything at the NHL level. He doesn't score, he's not fast, he doesn't kill penalties, and he doesn't even fight... Who cares? He can play NHL hockey, and thats all he'll be called up to do, if he ever is called up - take a stroll on the ice to give the competent players a rest. We should all be honored to be fans of an organization that manages to treat their "family" with so much respect, and yet still ices one of the best teams in the NHL every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
