SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Best of luck to Kopecky in hopes he gets a better deal. If it works out for him hopefully he gets some more PT and more of a role somewhere else. Wished it could've worked out better for him with the Wings in terms of production and injuries. Unlike many in here, I'm not going to be a dips**t and say good riddance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Best of luck to Kopecky in hopes he gets a better deal. If it works out for him hopefully he gets some more PT and more of a role somewhere else. Wished it could've worked out better for him with the Wings in terms of production and injuries. Unlike many in here, I'm not going to be a dips**t and say good riddance. Yeah, because calling people dips**t for having an opinion makes you much better than the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) . Edited June 28, 2009 by rage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Yeah, because calling people dips**t for having an opinion makes you much better than the rest of us. You don't like me expressing myself this way, tough s**t, that's not my problem. Regarding this matter, this is my opinion. So you can keep rolling your eyes sunshine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Oh dear Koko... Good bye, good luck... I'll miss being the only one rooting for you. And that one time you scored after Hossa got hurt in a game was pretty cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 You don't like me expressing myself this way, tough s**t, that's not my problem. Regarding this matter, this is my opinion. So you can keep rolling your eyes sunshine. Good. About time we see some anger out of you. Let the dark side of the force flow through you, SWF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Good. About time we see some anger out of you. Let the dark side of the force flow through you, SWF. Has nothing to do with anger or a dark side or whatever. I never said nobody couldn't have an opinion. But if I think people are out of line, I'm going to say so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Wow. Within 30 minutes, Kopecky started more fights on LGW than he did his entire 3 years with the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 How can anyone say Holland made a bad decision with Kops when we won the Stanley Cup and damn near won it again in 2009 if not for key injuries. Detroit Red Wings was a Stanley cup team 2 years straight. And we'll be in the finals again next year. Regardless of Kops, Holland is a ******* genius. He's BY FAR the best in the NHL at what he does. With that said, bye Kop and Hossa, it was great while it lasted and wish you both the best luck. You are both classy players and will be forever missed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soonboomer 31 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Where exactly do you find these "fighters" who aren't such complete hacks that they can contribute anything else to the team? Especially in the same price range as Kopy? Fact is, the consensus on this forum has been that the missing ingredient this season was a Dallas Drake type player who would provide the toughness the wings had last season. But, didn't Dallas get in all of maybe 5 fights in the 07-08 season? Hardly the enforcer alot on here speak of. Perhaps you supporters of the 4th line overhaul should come to grips with the fact that it was injuries and fatigue.....greatly caused by the compacted playoff schedule......that was the reason they lost to the Pens.......and not the fact that they, as the tired and worn out excuse has been so frequently stated.....weren't tough enough. I'm betting that Holland sticks with what has worked.....4th line guys who are sound defensively and good on the PK....and I'm completely happy with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I don't know what Hudler would command, definaely more than he could get in Detroit (I'd love to see him stay) but I don't think Abdelkader will be up this year. More likely Leino, but not both, I don't think. I just don't think Holland wants to lose Leino, and didn't he say he'd go back to Europe if he didn't play next year? I do see Sammy staying. My 2 cents. Well, then if Abby stays in GRR, we have $2.3M in cap space. If you see Sammy staying, he's gonna have $1M to $1.5M, that leaves $1.3M to $800,000 for Hudler. Hudler can get more than $1.3 elsewhere, even if he did want to stay in Detroit, do you want to give your entire Capspace to Sammy and Hudler? Plus that makes 13 forwards and 8 defensmen with 2 goalies. You are going to have (assuming Lilja can play) Lebda and Meech sitting every night for the "D" and who sits on "O"? Sammy? Leino? Let Sammy walk, let Hudler go and take the pick(s.) With Abby staying in GRR, that allows Meech to be used as the 13th forward or 8th D-man. Ledba will be #7. They will both sit most nights in this scenario too, but without Hudler and Sammy, Meech gets a better chance of playing and Ledba doesn't have to compete with Meech for "D" time. You still have $2.3M to sign a UFA that could put us back over the top this year. Sign someone (NEW) for $1M to $1.5M and that leaves you room to call up Abby without putting someone on LTIR... Sorry, Hudler (and Sammy) nothing personal, just business... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Wow. Within 30 minutes, Kopecky started more fights on LGW than he did his entire 3 years with the Wings. :thumbup: This might get added to the "Sig o' Quotes" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 How can anyone say Holland made a bad decision with Kops when we won the Stanley Cup and damn near won it again in 2009 if not for key injuries. Detroit Red Wings was a Stanley cup team 2 years straight. And we'll be in the finals again next year. Regardless of Kops, Holland is a ******* genius. He's BY FAR the best in the NHL at what he does. With that said, bye Kop and Hossa, it was great while it lasted and wish you both the best luck. You are both classy players and will be forever missed. "How could he have made a mistake on his chemistry exam when he got perfect scores on the previous two?!" Sound retarded? Thats what I thought. I'm with GMR on this one. Wake up, folks. Just because Holland is the best damn GM in the NHL doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does - he just makes them with considerable less frequency than other GMs do. Kopecky was one of them, and we can be thankful it was a small mistake. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I dont think holland made a mistake they were playing a guy with size and with homer not getting any younger i can see why they played him they were hoping that he could continue to develop his game obvously he didnt pan out like they had wished Koko only really played to full seasons his first was a 1 game stint then he played for 26 games the next Not everyone can come out the gate as soon as they get here look at Homer so to sit there and say that koko was a mistake is really unjust you forget the Wings are loyal to there players they arnt going to sit there and say you suck get the hell out you never know what can happen season to season both Lils and Lebda played better then they did last year and in Lils case he was playing quite a bit better the ironic thing is that there is a chance that some of these ppl now who are glad to see him go if he does have a breakout year they will turn around and say WTF Holland should have kept him And i want to know who was he taking a roster spot from? Helm (besides last year they wanted him getting top minutes to develop more so he stayed in the AHL) Not Abby either sorry To get to the wings unless your a rare exception you put your dues in by playing in the AHL koko did that and they gave him a chance now its gonna be helms turn he put his dues in now he gets a chance same with E. Next year it will probably be Abbys turn. Its really all about averages it has nothing to do with Holland judgement not every guy we bring up is gonna cut it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Probie 7 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) I want Helm, Abby and a fighter on the 4th line. Nothing complicated about that. Several people will of course have to go off the 4th line for that to happen. And what do your care what I call Holland and Babcock? It's all just semantics and I'm calling them out a little for what I think was an error in judgment. As far as me not talking about Lilja's fights........ ... That red tape is called misjudgment, as are Maltby and Draper's contributions to the 4th line at this point in their careers. Im with you on this. I'll be pissed if for loyalty reasons that Draper and Maltby are both back next year and we dont add a real fourth liner that has size and physicality and the ability to drop the gloves. Maybe the ducks dont take all those liberties with us if we had Neil. Our stars would be better protected. Maybe we have a couple more healthy players. Lilja wouldnt be sidelined right now(maybe) if he didnt have to drop the gloves. Plus our fourth line would not only have contributed a bit more offensively with Say a Helm and Abdelkader, but more importantly it would have worn out the opposition. Its such a plus to have this. Suddenly the pens in this years finals have an extra injury and they are the ones that are out of gas like last year. Will the wings buy out draper (this will still count ~480k towards the cap leaving just over one million for another player to take his spot) and buck the loyalty thing like others have suggested they wont? Will they get Maltby to retire, and Homer too and use his salary on other players like we could use? Moan, Malhotra, Neil, etc etc could all be helpfull here. I like Moan and Neil the best, Manny might want too much. I have a better Idea about Abs....so its better for abs in the minors rather then our fourth line due to playing time? Ok, why not put him on the third line here then, he has some scoring skills and hell play more minutes, I dont think he will embarass himself on it to be honest. Just a thought. On a side note, i think one of the reasons they kept Kopecky around this year and were thinking of keeping him thereafter was to keep hossa happy and make him want to stay here. Now that isnt going to happen, it makes it easier for him to be let go... Edited June 28, 2009 by Probie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 "How could he have made a mistake on his chemistry exam when he got perfect scores on the previous two?!" Sound retarded? Thats what I thought. I'm with GMR on this one. Wake up, folks. Just because Holland is the best damn GM in the NHL doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does - he just makes them with considerable less frequency than other GMs do. Kopecky was one of them, and we can be thankful it was a small mistake. End of story. Nobody is saying he doesn't make mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Not important. We have no room for Kopy on this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 My reaction to Sammy leaving: Gonna miss the guy, despite him being a frustratingly average player. My reaction to Hossa (possibly) leaving: IT was great to have him on the team and I'm bummed if we can't resign him. My reaction to Chelios leaving: A legend leaving, wished he could have stayed as a coach. My reaction to Conklin leaving: Helped carry the team when Ozzie floundered, really wanted him back. My reaction to Kopecky leaving: IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Kopecky never had more potential then to be a third liner on a bad team in this league. A couple of big injuries set him back and his potential became 4th liner at best. Had Kopey never tore the knee ligament I think we would have seen him differently. Any team willing to pay him more then the probable 650k i think he was offered here is on crack. Kopey is going to find some s***ty team that thinks he is gold since he was a Wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Per ESPN.com, it looks as if Kopy will test the open market come July 1st. His agent seems to think he can get him a lot more than Kenny offered. Also looks like Kenny and Hossa's camp are still in talks, but Kenny would trade Hossa's rights if it became apparent a deal won't get done. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...e=lebrun_pierre I wouldn't be sad to see Kopecky go. He has been useless and it seems like he doesn't really try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I wouldn't be sad to see Kopecky go. He has been useless and it seems like he doesn't really try. To be fair to him, he was constantly recovering from injury and probably didn't have much talent to begin with. The fact that he was willing to occasionally throw down says something, but he wasn't very good at that either (post-his one impressive performance against Patrick Sharp). It's akin to you or I playing in the NHL; I'm sure we'd try, but we'd be very, very bad at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Such a negative nancy! Say goodbye to Hudler dude, face it, he sucks.... NHL 2009? I wouldn't even be able to tell you the first thing about NHL 2009. Nothing wrong with posing a question about a cap hit for a tandem that had great chemistry together. There's no doubt we need something new here and I said if Hossa doesn't re-sig... If Hossa doesn't, what do you think we are going to keep the same team that lst last year mins Hossa? NO. McCarty is not gooing toplay in Detroit, Hudler is gone, Sammy, Kopecky, Chelios, Conklin, gone... Maybe you should play the NHL 2009 a bit more and see what it's like NOT icing the same old team every year without making ANY changes... Go back to bed and try again, right now you are no better than all the pens trolls that hung around here... It's simple math. Sign Leino and Huds and we are just below the cap. Done. Huds does NOT suck and we do NOT have money to go shopping. Throwing around insults on the internet is a little juvenile don't you think. Is that supposed to hurt my feelings or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Kopecky never had more potential then to be a third liner on a bad team in this league. A couple of big injuries set him back and his potential became 4th liner at best. Had Kopey never tore the knee ligament I think we would have seen him differently. Any team willing to pay him more then the probable 650k i think he was offered here is on crack. Kopey is going to find some s***ty team that thinks he is gold since he was a Wing. Before Kopecky wrecked his knee, he had the potential to be a consistent 20-25 goal, 50-60 point second line two-way winger who played solid defense and had a strong physical game. THAT is what Kopecky's potential was before he had a couple major injuries. If Kopecky never wrecks his knee, he's probably already signed a contract and had scored 15 goals this season. Kopecky was considered just as solid a prospect, overall, as Hudler or Filppula were by scouts. They just didn't end up getting their knee destroyed, so they are performing a little bit better than he. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Before Kopecky wrecked his knee, he had the potential to be a consistent 20-25 goal, 50-60 point second line two-way winger who played solid defense and had a strong physical game. THAT is what Kopecky's potential was before he had a couple major injuries. If Kopecky never wrecks his knee, he's probably already signed a contract and had scored 15 goals this season. Kopecky was considered just as solid a prospect, overall, as Hudler or Filppula were by scouts. They just didn't end up getting their knee destroyed, so they are performing a little bit better than he. Nice projected stats. Yeah, and I had the potential to be an underwear model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Honestly, I cant get around Kopeckys skating, so even if he was scoring near 30 goals, I'd still complain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
