LeftWinger 4,958 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) I know the D is "set" according to Holland, but Scuderi only made $725,000 last season and he is looking for a significant raise. Does anyone know what Pit can afford to pay him under the Cap? If we don'tr re-sign Hossa, we could more than double his salary to $1.5 million and still have $3.0 million or so to re-sign Leino and possibly two other UFA's. Lids - Rafi Stuart - Kronwall Ericsson - Scuderi (Lebda - Lilja - Meech) If Lilja is Healthy, deal Lebda or Meech, if not, then deal Lebda or Meech Edited June 27, 2009 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Rosenrosen 0 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 I know the D is "set" according to Holland, but Scuderi only made $725,000 last season and he is looking for a significant raise. Does anyone know what Pit can afford to pay him under the Cap? If we don'tr re-sign Hossa, we could more than double his salary to $1.5 million and still have $3.0 million or so to re-sign Leino and possibly two other UFA's. Lids - Rafi Stuart - Kronwall Ericsson - Scuderi (Lebda - Lilja - Meech) If Lilja is Healthy, deal Lebda or Meech, if not, then deal Lebda or Meech Sorry. Shero ain't gonna let him get away for $1.5M. The rumor is he's already offering $2M, but it's highly probably he'll get offers of $3M or more after July 1. It's going to come down to how much Scuds wants to stay a Pen. Most think he'll take the cash and no one can blame him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,958 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 Sorry. Shero ain't gonna let him get away for $1.5M. The rumor is he's already offering $2M, but it's highly probably he'll get offers of $3M or more after July 1. It's going to come down to how much Scuds wants to stay a Pen. Most think he'll take the cash and no one can blame him. Copy that! Thats a Helluva raise from $725,000 to $3 million.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 hes just an average dman with a hipcheck, he made 1 good play in the finals and now hes gonna get a huge raise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 We don't need him, I think we can do better than that if we want another D-man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Rosenrosen 0 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 Copy that! Thats a Helluva raise from $725,000 to $3 million.... That's what a great playoff run (including shutting down Ovechkin) will do for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free_Candy 38 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 It will be Pittsburgh if he takes a discount anywhere. Otherwise, hello Finger money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 That's what a great playoff run (including shutting down Ovechkin) will do for you. Yea what Ovechkin only scored like 10 goals in that series. Give Scuderi 3.5 mil and ask Lids to retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) No way should we get Scuderi. I think the Wings learned their lesson after signing Stuart after his performance in the finals in '08. He looked great out there with Kronner and it seemed we got a steal at only $3.75 mil/year at the time, but now I think they regret it a bit, especially giving him a NTC for the first 2 years of the deal. I know for sure we wouldn't have re-signed him if we had signed Hossa before Stuart. Stuart simply isn't worth what role the team is asking him to play, a stay-at-home type 4th d-man. If he wasn't in the mix, we'd still have Lids, Raf, Kronner, Ericsson, Lilja(assuming he returns), Lebda, and Meech. If Max Talbot were an impending UFA, he'd be getting way over-paid for what he can actually provide on a consistent basis. Edited June 27, 2009 by datterberg1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 27, 2009 Why would we go after average Def for $1.5M??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I don't know why everyone started hating on Scuderi. He's a solid defenseman, has some good positioning skills, and is still developing. He'd be a good fit. That being said, I can't see Detroit being able to match some of these offers he'll get if he hits the open market. That Finger deal has pretty much diluted the defensive free-agent market for at least the next few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 If you are wet with Scuderi than let's offer Zetterberg for Max Talbot and offer him 25 years contract with cap hit $7M... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Holland said our defense is set and by judging our GAA in our recent playoff run, I believe him. And to be honest, we don't need an overpaid average defensemen. We have better defensemen on the rise than this kid will ever be.... and we'll keep our players at a much better price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) I know the D is "set" according to Holland, but Scuderi only made $725,000 last season and he is looking for a significant raise. Does anyone know what Pit can afford to pay him under the Cap? If we don'tr re-sign Hossa, we could more than double his salary to $1.5 million and still have $3.0 million or so to re-sign Leino and possibly two other UFA's. Lids - Rafi Stuart - Kronwall Ericsson - Scuderi (Lebda - Lilja - Meech) If Lilja is Healthy, deal Lebda or Meech, if not, then deal Lebda or Meech Oh, for f***'s sake. Will people please quit this sort of nonsense? We have $26,933,33 tied up in defense already. We have four perfectly good defensemen. We are looking at the loss of some forwards and/or the necessity of re-signing forwards at reasonable rates. The team will not expend big money on third-pairing defensemen. YEESH. That's what a great playoff run (including shutting down Ovechkin) will do for you. Given Ovechkin's point totals in that series, I don't understand where you would possibly say that he was shut down. I don't think Scuderi limiting Ovechkin to eight goals and six assists in a seven game series qualifies as 'shutting down Ovechkin' in anyone's language. I don't know why everyone started hating on Scuderi. He's a solid defenseman, has some good positioning skills, and is still developing. He'd be a good fit. Sure---he'd be a good fit if the salary cap did not exist. However, the salary cap exists. I think some people are still stuck in the era in which the Wings could spend big money across the board, even on fourth-liners and third-pairing defensemen. That era has passed. Edited June 28, 2009 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Sure---he'd be a good fit if the salary cap did not exist. However, the salary cap exists. I think some people are still stuck in the era in which the Wings could spend big money across the board, even on fourth-liners and third-pairing defensemen. That era has passed. I think you need to go back and read the rest of that post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I think you need to go back and read the rest of that post I did read it---and it said nothing of the salary cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,958 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Oh, for f***'s sake. Will people please quit this sort of nonsense? We have $26,933,33 tied up in defense already. We have four perfectly good defensemen. We are looking at the loss of some forwards and/or the necessity of re-signing forwards at reasonable rates. The team will not expend big money on third-pairing defensemen. YEESH. Dude, relax, notice I said sign him for $1.5million, that is not big money on third line pairing. If he is worth more on the market, then pass. I figured doublng his money would be attrative, but if the markets says he's worth more, then fine. But $1.5 million for Scuderi is NOT big money. ANd heis a hell of alot better than Meech or Lebda. I'd give Scuderi $1.5 million before Hudler gets anything, thats how much Hudler is worth to this team. He choked worse than anyone in the playoffs. Why not have three great defensive pairings? Scuderi makes the P/K that much better. But we only have $1.5 to toss around so forget it. Like I said, I never mentioned signing him for sure, only if he'd take the $1.5, which would double his salary, thought that wasn't being unreasonable. If he gets $3.0 plus, good on him! If we had the money I'd give him $3.0 before Hudler as well... Scuderi = solid, gritty, defensive defensmen. A Bargain at $1.5... Hudler = :puke: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Scuderi is not average - hes quite solid, and underrated in most respects. Hes a good #5, who can fill in as an anchor #4, and is worth about 2-2.5M. And given that hes worth about 2-2.5M, he'll likely command 3-3.5M on the open market. Theres no way he signs for 1.5M on the open market. If that were his asking price, the Pens would have him signed, sealed, and delivered by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeff48109 474 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Scuderi had a great run in the playoff. that means some team will likely overpay him, and that won't be us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 He could become the next Brian Campbell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Rosenrosen 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Given Ovechkin's point totals in that series, I don't understand where you would possibly say that he was shut down. I don't think Scuderi limiting Ovechkin to eight goals and six assists in a seven game series qualifies as 'shutting down Ovechkin' in anyone's language. No doubt that's what the box score would indicate, but actually watching the whole series tells a different story. Only 2 of those goals were scored on Penguin ice when Pit could dictate matchups - a garbage goal in a blowout and a slapper on a bad change. Scuds wasn't on the ice for either. Is he worth $3M? No way. But the perception is that he had a great playoff run and shut down Ovechkin, true or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) No doubt that's what the box score would indicate, but actually watching the whole series tells a different story. Only 2 of those goals were scored on Penguin ice when Pit could dictate matchups - a garbage goal in a blowout and a slapper on a bad change. Scuds wasn't on the ice for either. Is he worth $3M? No way. But the perception is that he had a great playoff run and shut down Ovechkin, true or not. True or not? I'd say 'not true.' And nobody who scores 14 points in a seven-game series was 'shut down.' Edited June 28, 2009 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 True or not? I'd say 'not true.' And nobody who scores 14 points in a seven-game series was 'shut down.' To be fair, nobody but Lidstrom could shut down the best player in the world. Ovi is a freakin BEAST! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I did read it---and it said nothing of the salary cap. I don't know why everyone started hating on Scuderi. He's a solid defenseman, has some good positioning skills, and is still developing. He'd be a good fit. That being said, I can't see Detroit being able to match some of these offers he'll get if he hits the open market. That Finger deal has pretty much diluted the defensive free-agent market for at least the next few years. A reference to the salary cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
