Scotty 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 To start, Kenny Holland should trade Hossa's right to Los Angeles for a 3rd Round Draft pick. Hossa is not going to be able to be re- signed. I'm sorry but nothing can be gained by further optimism. He's done as a Red Wing and it was fun to watch him play. Then he should re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season (if possible). That's it! It's simple, if he does all of that he'll have a team similar to last year- minus Hossa, but remember; Leino played great and chipped in offensively with 5 goals and 9 assists in only 13 regular season games. So just imagine what kind of production they could get out of him in 70+ games. Think about it. I know it's not the same 40 goals from Hossa but Detroit can get away with that because of their defense. Holmstrom- Zetterberg- Franzen Filppula- Datsyuk- Cleary Hudler- Leino- Samuelsson Malbty- Draper- Downey Lidstrom- Rafalski Stuart- Kronwall Lilja- Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Then assuming Holland is able to re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season, He'll have roughly 1 million dollars in cap space to play with and sign a pair of extra forwards. I know most of you want Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson all in Detroit next year, but face it... as much as I do too... Holland and Co. would much rather have those guys playing 10- 15 minutes a night in Grand Rapids instead of 5 to 7 minutes (or even being a scratch) in Detroit. Thoughts guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Ericsson is a lock to start this season. Hudler needs a large raise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Pretty sure Helm is a lock to start the season as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 To start, Kenny Holland should trade Hossa's right to Los Angeles for a 3rd Round Draft pick. Hossa is not going to be able to be re- signed. I'm sorry but nothing can be gained by further optimism. He's done as a Red Wing and it was fun to watch him play. Then he should re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season (if possible). That's it! It's simple, if he does all of that he'll have a team similar to last year- minus Hossa, but remember; Leino played great and chipped in offensively with 5 goals and 9 assists in only 13 regular season games. So just imagine what kind of production they could get out of him in 70+ games. Think about it. I know it's not the same 40 goals from Hossa but Detroit can get away with that because of their defense. Holmstrom- Zetterberg- Franzen Filppula- Datsyuk- Cleary Hudler- Leino- Samuelsson Malbty- Draper- Downey Lidstrom- Rafalski Stuart- Kronwall Lilja- Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Then assuming Holland is able to re- sign Hudler, Leino, Samuelsson, and Downey to salaries similar to last season, He'll have roughly 1 million dollars in cap space to play with and sign a pair of extra forwards. I know most of you want Helm, Abdelkader, and Ericsson all in Detroit next year, but face it... as much as I do too... Holland and Co. would much rather have those guys playing 10- 15 minutes a night in Grand Rapids instead of 5 to 7 minutes (or even being a scratch) in Detroit. Thoughts guys? Hudler for a similar salary as before? Not gonna happen. Downey won't be a full time Red Wing. Helm should have a full time spot and so will Ericsson. Holland might find a hard working player from training cap that gets a spot. But I don't foresee Hudler back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 helm is a lock too, downey wil be gone most likely, I say let sammy walk and who knows if lilja will even play again. Also I don't think leino could keep up that production during a whole season, he looked awful in the games he was in the playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Yeah, I tried to give Hudler more money (I used CapGeek.com to figure it out, but it didn't work without getting to close to the cap, because we still needed cap space for two more forwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 How do you not realize that Helm and Ericsson will both be with the team full-time next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I would never presume to tell KH what he should do. For the sake of discussion I'd like to see Huds, Sammy, Leino, and Downey re-signed if possible. However I could see Helm and Leino doing well as substitutes should Hudler and Samuelsson leave. Cleary - Zetterberg - Franzen Holmstrom - Datsyuk - Filppula Leino - Helm - Hudler/Samuelsson Maltby - Draper - Downey Good center depth, good chemistry on the top lines, and a third line that could potentially do some damage. Fil, Mule, Clears would be a more than adequate second line. One thing next season's Wings won't have to deal with is a flaky Osgood. He played well in the Final and ended up losing anyway. No hangover just extra motivation. That should give the offense some confidence and maybe we won't see the kind of sloppy crap we saw this year. Never a bad day to be a Wings fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 helm is a lock too, downey wil be gone most likely, I say let sammy walk and who knows if lilja will even play again. Also I don't think leino could keep up that production during a whole season, he looked awful in the games he was in the playoffs Leino is a pure scorer, and in the playoffs he was on a defensive-minded line with the likes or Kirk Maltby. How many points did you really expect a rookie to get in the Stanley Cup Playoffs on a 4th line that rarely scores goals altogether? Think about it. We saw what Ville can do earlier in the season when paired with proper line mates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I don't think its out of the question to see Leino on the top two lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsdiehard13 33 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Ericcson has to clear waivers if he isn't in Detroit. That would never happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Huh? Ericsson, Leino and Helm will be on the Wings next year. What is it with people and Downey. He is not going to be on the Wings. He has almost no hockey skills. He's an enforcer and that's it. We have no room to carry an enforcer and we don't need him. Sammy is gone and Huds probably is also. I think that Hossa is going to accept the Wings offer given that the alternative is to play in Los Angeles and have zero chance to ever have his name on the Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyn66 89 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Helm gets a full start What about Ferraro maybe he'll do well in training camp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Here is the best I can do. No Hossa, no Sammy, no Happy. FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 Ville Leino $1,000,000 Vernon Fiddler $950,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Tomas Kopecky $650,000 Darren Helm $599,444 Aaron Downey $500,000 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 Brian Rafalaski $6,000,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Andreas Lilja $1,250,000 Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Brett Lebda $650,000 Derek Meech $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (including bonuses) ROSTER SIZE 23 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,570,653 CAP ROOM $229,347 CAP ROOM PER OPEN SPOT $0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy13 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 mule - zetterberg - Maxim Afinogenov(1.5)/ Ales Kotalik (2.5) flipp - datsyuk - Maxim Afinogenov(1.5)/ Ales Kotalik (2.5) Cal Clutterbuck - helm - cleary homer - draper - maltby leino lids - raffy stuart - kronner big E - lebda meech trade hossa's rights and lilja to the Wild for cal clutterbuck and a draft pick let sammy and kopecky walk and hudler gets an offer sheet Ales Kotalik and Maxim Afinogenovare both 20 goal scorers cal clutterbuck is a great hitter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakKy 58 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Helm gets a full start What about Ferraro maybe he'll do well in training camp. Unless he is of Yzerman caliber he won't play next season. I'd love to see him play in the bigs but... no way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 Doubt it'll happen, but wouldn't it be freakin cool of Ryno is a beast at training camp and gets Kopecky's roster spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Sammy is gone and Huds probably is also. I think that Hossa is going to accept the Wings offer given that the alternative is to play in Los Angeles and have zero chance to ever have his name on the Cup. First I wouldn't put Hudler off the team yet. Lets wait there. Cause like I said in another thread if its around 2.5m from another team I think Holland tries to get something done to keep him. Anything more than that the Wings get at least a 1st and 3rd round pick. If he walks I'm fine with that. Sammy probably is cause he could probably get a 3-4 year deal at good money, more than here anyways. And why would Hossa have to play in LA? Just cause the Wings trade his rights there? July 1st at noon he could still sign with anyone. Theres no rule that says he has to sign in LA just cause they can talk to him Franzen - Hank - Cleary Fil - Dats - Homer - Helm - - Draper - Maltby Lids - Rafalski Kronner - Stuart Ericsson - Lebda Meech - Lilja That's what they are looking at right now. Not saying those are the lines just making a nice visual. Leino will probably be signed so that leaves 2-3 fowards they need to get on the team, either signing or calling up and probably have to trade a dman. What they will do to get it done? I dunno. and I'm not gonna begin to guess. I have no idea and no one here does. No matter what I'm sure people in here will question Ken Holland like they know better. It's funny too cause the Wings keep winning making the moves he thinks are right. Edited June 28, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 trade lilja and meech, get oduya and bring up kolosov when needed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 trade lilja and meech, get oduya and bring up kolosov when needed This isn't the year to trad Meech. He is exactly what this team needs this year. Someone to fill out the roster as a forward of defenseman for CHEAP. Next year it would be a different story when there is more cap room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 lol at the person suggesting us getting clutterbuck or that goat afinogenov that will never happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 This isn't the year to trad Meech. He is exactly what this team needs this year. Someone to fill out the roster as a forward of defenseman for CHEAP. Next year it would be a different story when there is more cap room. well if we dont resign hossa and trade lilja wed have more room, and kolosov is projected to replace liljia at about half price Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 well if we dont resign hossa and trade lilja wed have more room, and kolosov is projected to replace liljia at about half price I agree on Lilja to an extent. We really missed him in the playoffs though. If Kolosov can kill penalties and block shots like Lilja, I'm all for it. I think that Lilja will play to start the season, but he could still be on LTIR and not count against the cap fo a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 I agree on Lilja to an extent. We really missed him in the playoffs though. If Kolosov can kill penalties and block shots like Lilja, I'm all for it. I think that Lilja will play to start the season, but he could still be on LTIR and not count against the cap fo a while. yeah thats true, i hope kolosov can replace him, i think at some point we will need one of the 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 28, 2009 At this rate it looks as if Abdelkader will be on the roster next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
