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#1 Aussie_Wing

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:50 PM

Wow! scared.gif

I wanted it to happen but I never thought Dumars would pull the trigger after one year!

Great move IMO, might be seen as ruthless but if he wasn't up to it, he wasn't up to it.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:00 PM

I'm so pumped! Shows why Joe D is still one of the best. He knows he screwed up, but what GM doesn't? At least he didn't let this turn into a 3-4 year disaster. I wonder who's in mind? They said on ESPN it will be a quick process. This is only the beginning to Pistons changes if you ask me.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE (mannysBETTER3434 @ June 30, 2009 - 01:00PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm so pumped! Shows why Joe D is still one of the best. He knows he screwed up, but what GM doesn't? At least he didn't let this turn into a 3-4 year disaster. I wonder who's in mind? They said on ESPN it will be a quick process. This is only the beginning to Pistons changes if you ask me.

This team is going to look hugely unrecognisable in 2 years, which is a good thing. We’ve got so much cap space and with all the soon to be UFA’s, we’ll be in a very nice position. thumbup.gif

We really need a good coach though, our last two haven't been flash.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:25 PM

There's got to be someone in mind. Joe D has never fired a coach without a very clear idea of who's going to be next. The only thing even resembling a coaching search was the one after Larry Brown was fired.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (betterREDthandead @ June 30, 2009 - 12:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's got to be someone in mind. Joe D has never fired a coach without a very clear idea of who's going to be next. The only thing even resembling a coaching search was the one after Larry Brown was fired.


I'm not sure if I'm fond of the idea, but I was thinking it's going to be Avery Johnson.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 02:35 AM

I'm hoping for Avery Johnson.

The rumor is Doug Collins. nono.gif

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 09:55 AM

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I'm hoping for Avery Johnson.

The rumor is Doug Collins. nono.gif

That would be weird.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:27 AM

I would HATE Doug Collins...that would be beyond weird. I'm starting to think Avery Johnson as well. BTW Ben Gordon and Charlie Villunaiva (sp??) are in Detroit today. If we did land Gordon I assume Rip is good as gone.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:56 AM

Very good move, I think he was not a very good player.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 11:20 AM

I don't get it. I like it, but I can't grasp the timing. Basically Curry was Dumars' scapegoat through a season of rebuilding. If it worked (the Iverson trade), Joe D. looks brilliant for making the move and if it failed all the blame goes to Curry. Listen, I don't think Michael Curry is a very good coach. I hate the way he alienated and relegated Rip to the bench. I hate the fact he couldn't make adjustments in games when things clearly weren't going well. Honestly though, who the hell could have success coaching that group of players and egos? Curry was set up to fail by Dumars. As much as I like Joe D., I blame him far more for last season's failures than I ever will place on Curry. The core of this team is/was a bunch of headcases. Ben and Rasheed ran Flip out. I believe Rip is the primary factor in Curry leaving. Maybe we can finally just state the fact that the players need changing, not the coaches.

The next head coach better not be Bill Laimbeer or Doug Collins. Avery Johnson should have been the coach last summer as it was. Anything other than Johnson or Van Gundy is a lateral move. I also don't understand the Ben Gordon rumors. If Curry is gone, what is the point of trading our best player? Gordon isn't an upgrade over Rip and it doesn't address the frontcourt issue. I think Gordon would help the Pistons in many ways. We need a pure scorer and a three point threat. I don't want him at the expense of Rip though.

This is an interesting time for the Pistons. Joe Dumars has made a rash of bad personnel choices lately. 2004 is too long ago to keep using that as a barometer of Dumars as a GM. I feel bad for Curry, but hopefully this works out for the Pistons better than I anticipate it will.
 
 
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 09:55 PM

Ben Gordon AND Charlie Villanueva on day one of free agency. One or both of Rip and Tayshaun is gone for sure now. Package them together Joe D. with first round picks through 2029 to get Chris Bosh!

The Pistons are as active as the Red Wings are quiet.
 
 
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 11:46 PM

QUOTE (GoWings1905 @ July 1, 2009 - 10:20AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't get it. I like it, but I can't grasp the timing. Basically Curry was Dumars' scapegoat through a season of rebuilding. If it worked (the Iverson trade), Joe D. looks brilliant for making the move and if it failed all the blame goes to Curry. Listen, I don't think Michael Curry is a very good coach. I hate the way he alienated and relegated Rip to the bench. I hate the fact he couldn't make adjustments in games when things clearly weren't going well. Honestly though, who the hell could have success coaching that group of players and egos? Curry was set up to fail by Dumars. As much as I like Joe D., I blame him far more for last season's failures than I ever will place on Curry. The core of this team is/was a bunch of headcases. Ben and Rasheed ran Flip out. I believe Rip is the primary factor in Curry leaving. Maybe we can finally just state the fact that the players need changing, not the coaches.

The next head coach better not be Bill Laimbeer or Doug Collins. Avery Johnson should have been the coach last summer as it was. Anything other than Johnson or Van Gundy is a lateral move. I also don't understand the Ben Gordon rumors. If Curry is gone, what is the point of trading our best player? Gordon isn't an upgrade over Rip and it doesn't address the frontcourt issue. I think Gordon would help the Pistons in many ways. We need a pure scorer and a three point threat. I don't want him at the expense of Rip though.

This is an interesting time for the Pistons. Joe Dumars has made a rash of bad personnel choices lately. 2004 is too long ago to keep using that as a barometer of Dumars as a GM. I feel bad for Curry, but hopefully this works out for the Pistons better than I anticipate it will.


I agree on Dumars, but he has showed he is willing to take chances without thinking twice about it over and over again. It's a double edged sword. Without his crazy moves we never win a title, but now you have situations like these. I really don't have a problem with him letting go Curry after a year. NBA players control their coaches more then any other athlete in sports. All it can take is one player to whine, and they get their wish.

I don't agree on Gordon. I think Gordon is a big upgrade over Rip. I love Rip, but I thought all of last year he was on the decline. Maybe it was friction with Curry and AI, but I think Rip's best days are behind him. Gordon is CLUTCH, younger, and fresh blood.

I do agree on your Rip/Prince trade comment. Looks like this team makeover isn't finished yet.


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Posted 02 July 2009 - 02:34 AM

Hmmm not sure what to make of these signings to be honest. Did Dumars jump the gun? We blew up the team for this? I don't mind Gordon but he takes way too many shots, doesn't play defence, he's like a younger, poor mans Iverson. Is that what we need? Villanueva, I'm really not sure how I feel on that one. I probably haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate judgement. I would've preferred to make a big splash in next years free agency as there are a lot better and bigger names set to become available then.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 07:22 AM

QUOTE (Aussie_Wing @ July 2, 2009 - 03:34AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm not sure what to make of these signings to be honest. Did Dumars jump the gun? We blew up the team for this? I don't mind Gordon but he takes way too many shots, doesn't play defence, he's like a younger, poor mans Iverson. Is that what we need? Villanueva, I'm really not sure how I feel on that one. I probably haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate judgement. I would've preferred to make a big splash in next years free agency as there are a lot better and bigger names set to become available then.

I'm OK with not waiting. I think a lot of those guys would be re-signed, and there will be too many teams with cap space and not enough marquee guys once they've re-upped with their teams. The absolute worst thing that could happen is to trade away a bunch of quality parts for cap space and be stuck not using it. I think Joe D probably feels the same.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE (Aussie_Wing @ July 2, 2009 - 01:34AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm not sure what to make of these signings to be honest. Did Dumars jump the gun? We blew up the team for this? I don't mind Gordon but he takes way too many shots, doesn't play defence, he's like a younger, poor mans Iverson. Is that what we need? Villanueva, I'm really not sure how I feel on that one. I probably haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate judgement. I would've preferred to make a big splash in next years free agency as there are a lot better and bigger names set to become available then.


Who else would we have acquired this summer? I think these are basically the best 2 options since Boozer was off the market. I also think Joe D did the right thing by spending money this summer. There are going to be a lot of unhappy teams next summer after they strike out on all these big name players.

I have never really watched CV so I don't know what to think about him at all, but if he improves on his last year's stats we got a really good deal.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 07:56 PM

I agree Rip and or Tay is gone. I know Joe D was talking to CP3 for a while during the playoffs. Anyone think we could send Rip and or Tay and a 1st rd for chris paul ?
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 12:49 AM

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I agree Rip and or Tay is gone. I know Joe D was talking to CP3 for a while during the playoffs. Anyone think we could send Rip and or Tay and a 1st rd for chris paul ?


That is interesting. It sounds like a 0% chance, but last year ESPN had something about how the Hornets are in such a crappy financial situation it might have to happen. It was basically unload every starter and surround CP3 with a bunch of bums, or unload him...

BTW I think the Hornets would want more then that. Stuckey would have to be involved I'm sure.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 10:21 PM

I could see the Pistons making a trade with the Hornets, but for Tyson Chandler instead of Chris Paul. I would rather see Prince go, though my gut tells me Rip is gone because of the Gordon signing. Rip's contract is pretty large too so maybe we could get McDyess back (hopefully) as well if a trade goes down. I still think Boozer or maybe even Millsap is possible in a trade with Utah. I have read Chris Kaman rumors, but that would be terrible.

Joe D. is meeting with Avery Johnson this weekend. I think he'll be the coach by Monday.
 
 
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Posted 07 July 2009 - 02:00 PM

Dumars fired Curry to make John Kuester the head coach? Flip Saunders was considered an "offensive genius" too and he actually had experience. Curry got a raw deal and Dumars keeps making very questionable decisions.

I don't get it. Nothing against Kuester, but this is a huge frickin disappointment.
 
 
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Posted 07 July 2009 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (GoWings1905 @ July 7, 2009 - 01:00PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dumars fired Curry to make John Kuester the head coach? Flip Saunders was considered an "offensive genius" too and he actually had experience. Curry got a raw deal and Dumars keeps making very questionable decisions.

I don't get it. Nothing against Kuester, but this is a huge frickin disappointment.


Yeah I'm with you. Sucks there were no really good guys out there. Seems like everyone out there has some major flaws. One of these times Joe D is going to coach, and I'm serious.




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