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So, funny that I should start this thread, but I do see the upside in Hudler, I was the one who started the thread stating that he was worth $3m or more on the market, so lets get it done.

Kenny, this guy is ONLY 25 years old. Obviously he wants to stay, obviously he has a huge fanbase that thinks he is good enough now and project him to be a 100 pointer by time he hits his prime, so lets give him a Zetterberg deal. No not $6m per year, but give him a front loaded 12 year deal with an average cap hit of $1.5million. When he is 30 - 35 years old, he will be a bargin at a $1.5 cap hit. I am not that good with numbers so if someone out there would breakdown a 12 year contract that is front loaded but still only average $1.5 against the cap, lets see what we would be paying him up front. If he is scoring 60 points now with limited ice, just think when it's Hudler - Zetterberg - Datsyuk five to seven years from now!

All you number crunchers out there lets see the terms broken down. The contract is 12 years with an average cap hit of $1.5million. All you arm chair Kenny's out there, lets get it done! A hit of $1.5million will still allow us to sign a Travis Moen too!

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project him to be a 100 pointer by time he hits his prime

Even Dats and Zetterberg aren't scoring 100 points or more. Plus the majority of Hudler's points were in a short span at the beginning of the season, then he cooled off after the All-star break.

He's worth keeping, but no player is going to sign for an average of 1.5 million for 12 seasons. Theirs no drive to improve. Play better, get paid more.

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So, funny that I should start this thread, but I do see the upside in Hudler, I was the one who started the thread stating that he was worth $3m or more on the market, so lets get it done.

Kenny, this guy is ONLY 25 years old. Obviously he wants to stay, obviously he has a huge fanbase that thinks he is good enough now and project him to be a 100 pointer by time he hits his prime, so lets give him a Zetterberg deal. No not $6m per year, but give him a front loaded 12 year deal with an average cap hit of $1.5million. When he is 30 - 35 years old, he will be a bargin at a $1.5 cap hit. I am not that good with numbers so if someone out there would breakdown a 12 year contract that is front loaded but still only average $1.5 against the cap, lets see what we would be paying him up front. If he is scoring 60 points now with limited ice, just think when it's Hudler - Zetterberg - Datsyuk five to seven years from now!

All you number crunchers out there lets see the terms broken down. The contract is 12 years with an average cap hit of $1.5million. All you arm chair Kenny's out there, lets get it done! A hit of $1.5million will still allow us to sign a Travis Moen too!

I'm assuming you are using sarcasm to make fun of Hudler's supporters such as I with the 100 point line. While I firmly belive in his best years he will have 3-4 years of 70-80 points, I dont belive anyone really think's he'll ever hit 100 pts.

I dont think he'll sign that contract but it'd be nice if he did.

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I totally agree with you guys, I am for not signing Hudler at all, BUT I would hate to see Holland give Jiri $2.0 to $2.5 of the available cap also. So if he was going to sign him, lets get creative and sign him long term (since he supposedly has so much potential) and have him throughout his prime years all while only hitting our cap for $1.5...

If any of you guys thought it was a good idea for Hossa to sign at a $4 mllion cap, then it wouldn't be outrageous to ask Jiri to sign at a $1.5m cap.

Ok, well 100 points maybe too much, but heck I'd take 70-80 points for sure. Sorry no sarcasm was meant, but I just don't want to see most of our ap used up on Jiri. If he is supposed to be that good and he is only 25, why not sign him for 10-12 years? Front load it so he is making a ton early and only $1m near the end. I also do not want to see them only get 1 draft pick in return since he'd have to sign somewhere of $3.1 or more to get a first and third in return, anything less is only a 2nd. of course MUCH less is nothing in return...

C'mon all you Hudler supporters, lets get this contract done!

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I totally agree with you guys, I am for not signing Hudler at all, BUT I would hate to see Holland give Jiri $2.0 to $2.5 of the available cap also. So if he was going to sign him, lets get creative and sign him long term (since he supposedly has so much potential) and have him throughout his prime years all while only hitting our cap for $1.5...

If any of you guys thought it was a good idea for Hossa to sign at a $4 mllion cap, then it wouldn't be outrageous to ask Jiri to sign at a $1.5m cap.

It's just that Hudler isn't worth the 12 year commitment just for a 1.5 cap hit. Players like Franzen, Hossa and Z are. But not Hudler.

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Im confused by the whole RFA thing so maybe someone can help me out here. First off, what is Hudler making in salary as is? Now i understand that if a team wants him they can throw him an offer sheet, and if the wings dont match or beat it he goes to their team and we can get draft picks or other compensation. My question is, does the play have to agree on the offer sheet? Or is he obligated to take it? I'd assume that the player would have the choice to take it or not, so with that said, if Hudler wants to stay so badly, why would he accept an offer sheet? I understand that it would put the wings in a situation that would make them have to pay him more money, but realisticly we dont have alot of money to work with. If this is how the RFA works, why wouldnt Hudler just not accept any offer sheets, play out the rest of his contract as is, and wait till next year when the wings have more cap space? That way he stays on the wings for atleast one more year, making the money hes been making, and if he has an outstanding season this year, it would put him in good negotiations for a good raise with the wings who will actually be able to afford to give him a raise at that time.

Maybe i have the whole RFA thing wrong so could someone explain that to me?

Man i miss players that were in it for the love of the game and in it to win. Now its all about money. I understand that noone would turn down a pay increase, so i understand why some of these players take the offersheets that are presented to them, but i would value playing for a contending team every year making 2-3 million a year over playing for a garbage team who gets knocked out of playoffs in the first round every year making 5-6 million.

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I agree with all of you, I would rather see Hudler go, but for a while there I couldn't find anyone else to go along with me, all I got was a bunch of slack for saying Holland shouldn't match a $2.5m offer. I guess all the Hudler lovers are on break, the dinner bell must have gone off! Maybe they will return later.

Trust me, I am all for getting a Neil or a Moen in here over Hudler and Sammy, thats a promise!

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Comparing Flip and Hudler is simple..

Hudler is a 30 point guy, without his PP time. He can't play on the top lines consistently, can't play center and doesn't play on the PK.

Flip, while not as flashy, COULD play on the PP, does play center, is our second line center or first line LWer and plays on the PK.

Flip got five years, 15 million.

Hudler doesn't deserve anything more than hes getting currently.

There has to be a veteran player out there who can play in the top six with some consistently and or be used as a PP specialist.

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Just put the $$$ that would've been spent on Hudler towards a bid on Neil, & call it a day.

Wait, seriously? I hope that was sarcasm meant to mock to monkey-see attitude in a lot of the posts here and not a serious statement. You'd rather have Neil than Hudler? You think the offers being tossed at Neil (~$2 million) are actually reasonable? Please back up this assertion or forfeit your hockey fan card immediately.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't think either of them is a $2 million player, but I'll take Hudler's scoring bent over Neil's PIMs for the price any day of the week. PP specialists are not all that common, and Hudler is only 25. Neil is 30, and his numbers on the decline. Read: Hudler's point numbers should increase, while Neil's minutes and point numbers will continue to decline. I would be all in favor of signing both for ~$3 million, but that isn't going to happen. Given the financial reality of today's NHL, I'll take Hudler (and a lot of flack for that opinion, I'm sure)... especially after adding Ericsson and losing Hossa.

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I'll be honest, I have no desire to see Hudler stay. He may have good hands, but he just gets knocked around too much.

i agree with you, let him walk. I could care less if he left.

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i agree with you, let him walk. I could care less if he left.

That means you care.

Just sayin'.

Seriously though, I don't really care one way or the other on Hudler. I like him, but he's really streaky. If we keep him, cool, if we lose him, cool.

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EDIT: To be clear, I don't think either of them is a $2 million player, but I'll take Hudler's scoring bent over Neil's PIMs for the price any day of the week. PP specialists are not all that common, and Hudler is only 25. Neil is 30, and his numbers on the decline. Read: Hudler's point numbers should increase, while Neil's minutes and point numbers will continue to decline.

Why SHOULD, Hudler's point total increase? Who in the top six is he going to beat out for a spot?

Cleary? Datsyuk? Zetterberg? Flip? Franzen? Homer?

Hudler is officially stuck on the third line for this team. $3 million for a PP specialist? Not even the first PP, the second PP.

I would rather save the $2 million for the trade deadline and pickup a $5-$6 million dollar player for the playoffs who is going to be a UFA next season.

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To be completely honest, I'd rather have the draft picks, but we'll see...

Agreed.

And it's "I COULDN'T care less". It's cute that you love Huddles, though. I will miss Clucks, but not his cornerwork.

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So, funny that I should start this thread, but I do see the upside in Hudler, I was the one who started the thread stating that he was worth $3m or more on the market, so lets get it done.

Kenny, this guy is ONLY 25 years old. Obviously he wants to stay, obviously he has a huge fanbase that thinks he is good enough now and project him to be a 100 pointer by time he hits his prime, so lets give him a Zetterberg deal. No not $6m per year, but give him a front loaded 12 year deal with an average cap hit of $1.5million. When he is 30 - 35 years old, he will be a bargin at a $1.5 cap hit. I am not that good with numbers so if someone out there would breakdown a 12 year contract that is front loaded but still only average $1.5 against the cap, lets see what we would be paying him up front. If he is scoring 60 points now with limited ice, just think when it's Hudler - Zetterberg - Datsyuk five to seven years from now!

All you number crunchers out there lets see the terms broken down. The contract is 12 years with an average cap hit of $1.5million. All you arm chair Kenny's out there, lets get it done! A hit of $1.5million will still allow us to sign a Travis Moen too!

What is your weird obsession with disliking Hudler so much? Did he do something in the past life to you or your family?

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Hopefully Kenny makes Huds be reasonable given the Wings situation. Otherwise, I'm also on the draft picks bandwagon.

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Why SHOULD, Hudler's point total increase? Who in the top six is he going to beat out for a spot?

Cleary? Datsyuk? Zetterberg? Flip? Franzen? Homer?

Homer, easily. At least, he should. Cleary does a better Homer than Homer does these days. Homer is a 4th liner with PP time.

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Homer, easily. At least, he should. Cleary does a better Homer than Homer does these days. Homer is a 4th liner with PP time.

Homer, playing with Datsyuk is a top six forward as long as the other forward isn't Marian Hossa.

Hudler has never found a place in the top six, I don't understand how that is going to improve with age.

Maybe the should put a stipulation in his contract that he needs to start doing squats in the weight room and actually attempt to gain NHL speed.

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Why SHOULD, Hudler's point total increase? Who in the top six is he going to beat out for a spot?

Cleary? Datsyuk? Zetterberg? Flip? Franzen? Homer?

Hudler is officially stuck on the third line for this team. $3 million for a PP specialist? Not even the first PP, the second PP.

I would rather save the $2 million for the trade deadline and pickup a $5-$6 million dollar player for the playoffs who is going to be a UFA next season.

IMO, Hudler can beat out Cleary and Homer for a top 6 spot. In fact, Hudler racked up more points than both those guys this year, in far less ice time.

The problem I foresee is, Hudler is a rare case of anti-loyalty in Detroit. I doubt he feels as comfortable here as his peers, and the chances of him taking a hometown discount are slim. And, there's always a glut of GMs who are eager to offer the Hudlers of the NHL a significant amount of cash.

Hudler's got serious talent. Decent skater, good shot, good passing, excellent vision. He'd probably be a superstar, if he weren't so damn small.

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