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#21 Icesurfer

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 10:51 PM

So if Lilja is healthy and he is bought-out the cap hit would be 417,000 for the next 2 years.
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Posted 05 July 2009 - 11:01 PM

QUOTE (Icesurfer @ July 5, 2009 - 11:51PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So if Lilja is healthy and he is bought-out the cap hit would be 417,000 for the next 2 years.


Yes, and Holmstrom's cap hit would be $750k if he were bought out; in another thread you'll find me arguing that buying out Holmstrom and having Downey as the 12th forward for $500k with $1.3m in cap space is a ridiculous idea as it's basically havign Downey for a $1.25m cap hit. But what does that have to do with sending Lilja to Grand Rapids? He's well past the age where he would have minor league options, therefore he would have to pass through waivers to play in the AHL. If he were sent to the AHL, he'd still be paid the same amount but would not count on the Wings' cap. Much like Khabibulin for the first half of last season did not count against Chicago because he was in the minors.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 11:14 PM

So Lilja would have to be healthy first and cleared to play to be waived. If he is not healthy the Wings are screwed. They would get cap relief but can't use that to become cap compliant at the start of the season.

Edited by Icesurfer, 05 July 2009 - 11:18 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE (Icesurfer @ July 6, 2009 - 12:14AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So Lilja would have to be healthy first and cleared to play to be waived. If he is not healthy the Wings are screwed. They would get cap relief but can't use that to become cap compliant at the start of the season.


It depends on how injured he is. If he's so injured that he cannot play again and retires, then he is off the books. If he is injured to the point where he goes on LTIR, then it goes like this:

The Wings put him on LTIR and have at least another $300k or so open, and consider Ericsson the 'replacement' for him as far as the cap relief is concerned. That way they have more time to deal with the cap scenarios if Lilja is returning, but can use up as much of the cap relief as possible while he is out.

The other option is that Lilja is healthy enough to play, in which case the Wings don't have to deal with LTIR but do have to move a defenseman.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ July 5, 2009 - 06:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It depends on how injured he is. If he's so injured that he cannot play again and retires, then he is off the books. If he is injured to the point where he goes on LTIR, then it goes like this:

The Wings put him on LTIR and have at least another $300k or so open, and consider Ericsson the 'replacement' for him as far as the cap relief is concerned. That way they have more time to deal with the cap scenarios if Lilja is returning, but can use up as much of the cap relief as possible while he is out.

The other option is that Lilja is healthy enough to play, in which case the Wings don't have to deal with LTIR but do have to move a defenseman.



So the question is if Lilja is on LTIR to start the season can Ericsson be on the opening day roster or does he officially have to start the season on the AHL roster then be brought up to satisfy cap compliance on opening day?
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Icesurfer @ July 6, 2009 - 12:57AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So the question is if Lilja is on LTIR to start the season can Ericsson be on the opening day roster or does he officially have to start the season on the AHL roster then be brought up to satisfy cap compliance on opening day?

I believe, if Lilja starts the season on LTIR, then Ericsson can start the season on the Wings' roster and would not need to be called up.
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 12:25 AM

QUOTE (Drake_Marcus @ July 5, 2009 - 09:40PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You guys do know that this is standard procedure in these situations, right? Filppula did the exact same thing.


Is it possible to sign and trade under the CBA?

My hope is that they re-sign him. But if he asks for too much then maybe they can trade him for someone. Yes I know that the cap hit will be the same but the Wings are going to trade one defenseman anyways.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 12:29 AM

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Is it possible to sign and trade under the CBA?

My hope is that they re-sign him. But if he asks for too much then maybe they can trade him for someone. Yes I know that the cap hit will be the same but the Wings are going to trade one defenseman anyways.

We can trade him after arbitration at that contract. We can even trade him now but no one would take it.
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 12:50 AM

Oh Hudler.....instead of waiting for you to make a decision....

I hiked a mountain and went swimming in the lake that was on top of it with snow on the mountains behind it....then I had Subway and now am having Miller Lite......

This is making me exahusted, I wish I could have LGW on my phone so I could just get an update for when he makes a decision! Geesh........

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That's all...sorry for the stupid post...but I wanted to write something that had nothing to do with anything.......
.hope it makes someone laugh....if not...oh well........

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 01:01 AM

Finally, some good news: Jiri Hudler officially files for arbitration with Red Wings
Posted by George James Malik July 05, 2009 23:35PM
Red Wings forward Jiri Hudler and the team are officially headed for arbitration, as noted by the Canadian Press:

July 5, Canadian Press: New York Rangers winger Nikolai Zherdev and forward Jiri Hudler of the Detroit Red Wings are among 20 players who have elected salary arbitration, the NHL Players' Association announced Sunday night. ... Hudler had 57 point last season (23 goals, 34 assists) with four goals eight assists coming in the post-season, including three assists in Detroit's Stanley Cup final series with Pittsburgh. Hudler made $1.15 million last season. ... Arbitration hearings will be held in Toronto from July 20 to Aug. 4.
As the Detroit News's Ted Kulfan notes, this prevents Hudler from receiving an offer sheet from another team. MLive.com's own Ansar Khan confirms as well.

A player can only take his team to arbitration once, and vice versa, so the Wings will push for a deal with Hudler as he's done them a bit of a favor. If the teams can't come to an agreement, the arbitrator will award a one or two-year contract, with the Wings having the option to walk away from the award or work out a sign-and-trade option. In the event of a $3.5 million-plus offer, they'd pursue the latter as they can exceed the salary cap by up to 10% ($5.68 million) during the off-season.

http://blog.mlive.co...ws_jiri_hu.html

So when is "off-season" officially over and if Holland opts for the "sign & trade" deal...doesn't that give him a bit more time then "rushing" into a roster.....???????

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 01:28 AM

QUOTE (titanium2 @ July 5, 2009 - 11:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it possible to sign and trade under the CBA?

My hope is that they re-sign him. But if he asks for too much then maybe they can trade him for someone. Yes I know that the cap hit will be the same but the Wings are going to trade one defenseman anyways.


Yes you can. Basically, if Hudler is awarded an offer too large the Wings have two options:

1. take it, go over the cap (you can go up to 63.4 million before October), then trade him or someone else to accommodate him.

2. don't sign him and let him become a UFA.
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 08:55 AM

Please move on to another team, Jiri!
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Posted 06 July 2009 - 10:14 AM

If it came down to deciding between Hudler and Filppula, I take Hudler.
Should be able to keep both, however.

What I do not want to happen is for Holland to get nothing out of this.
Either sign Hudler and trade him -- with Hudler's blessing.
Or trade Filppula for a decent return.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (egroen @ July 6, 2009 - 11:14AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it came down to deciding between Hudler and Filppula, I take Hudler.
Should be able to keep both, however.

What I do not want to happen is for Holland to get nothing out of this.
Either sign Hudler and trade him -- with Hudler's blessing.
Or trade Filppula for a decent return.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 10:59 AM

we better re-sign him, LGW posters have him slated to center our 2nd line!



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Posted 06 July 2009 - 11:07 AM

QUOTE (lilja4mvp @ July 6, 2009 - 03:59PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we better re-sign him, LGW posters have him slated to center our 2nd line!




Really are you sure that is not Flip, seeing as Huds is very very rarely a center on the Wings.

Maybe before you try to make fun of the rest of the forum you should have your s*** together.

BTW he was the 5th highest scoring forward on the team in the regular season (PTS and G, assists he was 4th, unfortunately his +/- was 7th though).

But don't let a little thing like his stats get in your way of evaluating his talent!

Must of been all of that ice time on the PP right, oh wait no one needs PP scoring, you are right he is a waste>

Or what was it you meant my the rotflmao icon?



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Edited by Opie, 06 July 2009 - 11:36 AM.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (Opie @ July 6, 2009 - 12:07PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really are you sure that is not Flip, seeing as Huds is very very rarely a center on the Wings.



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Posted 06 July 2009 - 11:31 AM

AHHH Sorry!

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 11:34 AM

QUOTE (Konnan511 @ July 6, 2009 - 11:23AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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The Wings just lost a 40 goal scorer and a 20 goal scorer
The current team is chock-full of defensive forwards, as well as the pipeline
Hudler has been a part of the organization longer than Filppula

An offensive specialist is exactly what this team needs

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (lilja4mvp @ July 6, 2009 - 10:59AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
we better re-sign him, LGW posters have him slated to center our 2nd line!


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