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#41 The Mule

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:35 PM

Moen or Kotalik.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:37 PM

Bell was picked up off waivers by new york this year, his career is in teh gutter right now.. if we really wanted to add some bottom line guys with an edge i'm guessing we could sign bell to a very low contract possibly league minimum, he would probably be happy with just getting a chance.

With a low cap hit on bell we might still have the space to sign moen..... moen helm and bell would be a hell of a 3rd line, responsible defencively, chip in the odd goal and hammer the opposition

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:37 PM

Holland should go after nobody. We should fill holes with AHL guys (let them get some experience) and wait for the trade deadline and trade a defensemen. The best deals are usually had at trade deadline... we just need the cap space to afford it. Without Hudler and moving one D-man, we'll be in great shape.
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (goredwings @ July 8, 2009 - 02:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK so there seems to be a lot of panic on this fom about not signing players to deals and losing players...Yes it sucks but we are very deep and in GR we have some talent that is ready to make the jump and could be tradable at the deadline if need be. This is how things will work for the wings and most other teams wanting to hold on to a their 5 or so big name players. Teams will fill the third and fourth lines with young talent or older cheap vets this is a salary cap folks it's not the end of the world.

The wings will be godd because they will have youth and enthusiasm pushing the vets on the team and i for one love it. they just have to make sure they hit everything thatr moves even if it's their own players...

Yeah I don't understand all the panic. Yeah it sucks these guys have left but this team is still very good. Zetterberg(selke finalist in 08 plus the conn smyth), Datsyuk(last 2 selkes and a hart nominee), Franzen, Cleary and Filppula along with Helm, Leino and Draper. Not a bad team. If you can find a couple cheap free agents or you bring up a young guy you are a very good team. yeah they lose offense for sure but there is still plenty there. And the people throwing Holland under the bus christ chill out. Every year I hear the same things about him and yet the 4 years after the lockout the worst they finished in the whole league was 3rd and the worst playoff was in 06, since then they have gotten to at least the 3rd round and yet people think he's doing nothing because these guys have left. I would love to hear how he stops any of them from leaving. This isn't NHL 09 here. Holland will the fill the holes in the roster somehow and will take his time and see what fits and at what price. It's not as easy as some people in here think.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:56 PM

Don't sign anyone, at least not anyone for more than around 1 mil a year. I wanna see what the younger guys have with steady playing time. If it isn't working out we can be a trade deadline buyer. I'm looking forward to next season, it's gunna be interesting.
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#46 ShanahanMan

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:04 PM

All you guys saying Leino is Huds replacement are living a pipe dream. You expect a guy who had 15 goals in 57 games in GR to miraculously score 25 in his first NHL season? Give me a break.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:06 PM

Seriously, who's out there who can put up 25-30goals in a wings uniform? cause we obviously need goalscorers, we lost 80goals in hossa, samuelsson and hudler...

Tanguay... bla french canadian players, also injury prone etc.. gimme a break

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:11 PM

And when the wings play like crap and the trade deadline is too late to make a playoff push?

stranger things have happened.. we lost a s*** TON of goal producing.. our D will not suddenly be exponentially better.

Edited by ilmickeyli, 08 July 2009 - 02:11 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE (newfy @ July 8, 2009 - 02:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bell was picked up off waivers by new york this year, his career is in teh gutter right now.. if we really wanted to add some bottom line guys with an edge i'm guessing we could sign bell to a very low contract possibly league minimum, he would probably be happy with just getting a chance.

With a low cap hit on bell we might still have the space to sign moen..... moen helm and bell would be a hell of a 3rd line, responsible defencively, chip in the odd goal and hammer the opposition


He would be another feel good Cleary type story.

Bell has the skill, he has the size, he has the toughness. It's just he needs a team that will give him the chance to make or break his career. I think it's a long shot for Detroit to take a look at Bell, But i wholeheartedly hope they do, Bell isn't going to fight the way Drake did 2 years ago or Downey did, But he'll be able to fill Drakes roll as the player who will deliver retribution with a devestating hit.

I really want Roy btw.
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (NGKEIB @ July 8, 2009 - 01:16PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very cheap FAs (who can hit, play defense, score, or ideally all three) include.
-Ville Peltonen, had a cap hit of 1.2 million. Can put up double digits in goals, though he's quite old. Then again, playing on Florida isn't going to do wonders for offense. Isn't big or a great hitter, but has guts (see fight against Artyukhin).
-Blair Betts, cap hit of 615k. Sound defensively.
-Manny Malhotra, cap hit of 1.2 million.
-Taylor Pyatt, 1.575 million. Had a 23-goal season in 06-07.
-Richard Zednik, 1.625 million. Had 17 goals in 70 games last year (in Florida).
-Joel Lundqvist, 725k. Henrik's twin brother. Could maybe play in goal if Howard plan falls through.
Etc.

I tried to find people who haven't been mentioned. I'm not saying I like them all, but I figured I'd put them out and see what people think.

Zednik already signed overseas...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:28 PM

also, everyone saying Tanguay - he made over 5 last year, he's not going to take MORE than a 50% paycut... he will not be a Wing...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:33 PM

QUOTE (Snazzy @ July 8, 2009 - 11:37AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Holland should go after nobody. We should fill holes with AHL guys (let them get some experience) and wait for the trade deadline and trade a defensemen. The best deals are usually had at trade deadline... we just need the cap space to afford it. Without Hudler and moving one D-man, we'll be in great shape.


LOL. We lost Huds, Sammy, Kop (dont give a s*** about him), and Hossa and you think we should just replace them with inexperienced GR guys. In fact, why not just replace the whole team with GR guys? They're younger right? They'll easily make up for all the goals we've lost right? You-Are-Nuts.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:34 PM

Of the guys left, I'd just as much rather see us re-sign Matt Ellis for league minimum and an enforcer type for league minimum and have a rotating 4th line depending on whats needed by matchups...
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All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


#54 Canadian_Yzerman_Fan

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:36 PM

I've said before that I am a fan of Moen, but other quality experienced depth/vet guys that can be signed for a season would be Sykora... probably not realistic purely due to his time in Detroit being over... Shanny

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:44 PM

I'm all for Kotalik as long as the deal is reasonable. Otherwise, wait until the trade deadline and play some tight defense.

Edited by Louisville, 08 July 2009 - 02:44 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:54 PM

One this is for sure, if holland can't sign atleast 1 quality player who can rack up points, zetterberg and datsyuk will have to play their ass off every single game weather they like/want to or not... they will have to play all situations even more than previous season... here's to another playoff where the star players are dead tired!

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:57 PM

I'd almost want to gamble on a guy like Afinogenov. He's coming off 2 s***ty seasons in Buffalo, so he can't be asking for too much money, but he has the potential to be a Hudler like player and possibly even better if surrounded with the right players. He had back to back 20 goal season in 06 and 07, along with 61 pts in 56 games in 07 and was a +19. He'll also turn 30 in September, so he still should be in his prime, and at 6 feet, 190, he'll be a bigger body than Hudler for sure.

His last contract had a cap hit of 3.3 mil, so maybe they can talk him into a one year "try out" kind of deal to redeem himself at like 2.3 mil. Then if he responds well, we can afford to pay him 3.5 or whatever next year and sign him long term.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:58 PM

Kotalik could be a sleeper free agent like the Wings seem to pick up every year. However without having to pay Hudler the wings might be able to sign Moen as well
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (Wingfan191 @ July 8, 2009 - 03:57PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd almost want to gamble on a guy like Afinogenov. He's coming off 2 s***ty seasons in Buffalo, so he can't be asking for too much money, but he has the potential to be a Hudler like player and possibly even better if surrounded with the right players. He had back to back 20 goal season in 06 and 07, along with 61 pts in 56 games in 07 and was a +19. He'll also turn 30 in September, so he still should be in his prime, and at 6 feet, 190, he'll be a bigger body than Hudler for sure.

His last contract had a cap hit of 3.3 mil, so maybe they can talk him into a one year "try out" kind of deal to redeem himself at like 2.3 mil. Then if he responds well, we can afford to pay him 3.5 or whatever next year and sign him long term.


If the price is right (less than 1.5mil) it would be worth a shot for a 1-2 year deal... but I think that's very doubftul

Edited by Canadian_Yzerman_Fan, 08 July 2009 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (xBrave_Heartx @ July 8, 2009 - 03:20PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really want Roy btw.


Roy is awful. He played in Pittsburgh for a year and all he did was take dumb penalties and get his ass kicked. He's a waste of money and a roster spot





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