Chi is SOOO Screwed

[stevkrause 1,247]

Already 4 mil over and almost NO one they can move and it's not even the 10-11 RFA HELL season they have coming up, GOOD JOB Tallon!

:rotflmao:

[ComradeWasabi 109]

Only way out of their jam is to ditch Campbell, and he's not going to bring any interest from anyone at that salary.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Only way out of their jam is to ditch Campbell, and he's not going to bring any interest from anyone at that salary.

even if they do that, I don't see how they sign all of their RFA's who are gonna be in line for BIG raises with the cap most likely going down next year... then couple that with the fact that theres no way anyone's taking Campbell's contract like you said... bad moves

[Zion 93]

As much as I love it when Chicago sucks, the Hawks being good (and they were very good this year) is great for hockey. I really hope Tallon knows what he's doing, but I can't help but laugh a little... I mean 1.2 mil for Kopy?

[titanium2 867]

I'm wondering if they have some clever trick up their sleeves.

[Echolalia 2,961]

They can buy out contracts, can't they?

[PRStoetzer 1]

Chicago is not over the cap by $4 million. They have a ton of bonuses counting toward the upper limit, but you can exceed the cap by up to 7.5% due to bonuses.

Of course, they really are screwed next year. If all those bonuses are triggered and the cap drops by $6 million, it's possible that they could have just $3 million to sign 10 players next season

[HawksFan4Life 0]

I think Tallon does have something up his sleeve. Don't ask me what. But common sense, who makes these deals without having a plan?

[ComradeWasabi 109]

even if they do that, I don't see how they sign all of their RFA's who are gonna be in line for BIG raises with the cap most likely going down next year... then couple that with the fact that theres no way anyone's taking Campbell's contract like you said... bad moves

There isn't any way that I can see for them to retain Keith, Toews and Kane. The Huet and Campbell contracts are both absolutely awful signings, especially a year removed from the deals actually being inked.

As it is, next summer, Huet is almost certainly going to be traded. Chicago will have to adopt Detroit's strategy of relatively cheap veteran netminding as obviously they can't afford to pay Huet 5.6 million. If they can get rid of Campbell and Huet they should be in good shape, but that's going to be difficult with those salaries as high as they are and the salary cap going down like it will.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Already 4 mil over and almost NO one they can move and it's not even the 10-11 RFA HELL season they have coming up, GOOD JOB Tallon!

:rotflmao:

The same site has Detroit over $500,000 over the cap too.

[stevkrause 1,247]

There isn't any way that I can see for them to retain Keith, Toews and Kane. The Huet and Campbell contracts are both absolutely awful signings, especially a year removed from the deals actually being inked.

As it is, next summer, Huet is almost certainly going to be traded. Chicago will have to adopt Detroit's strategy of relatively cheap veteran netminding as obviously they can't afford to pay Huet 5.6 million. If they can get rid of Campbell and Huet they should be in good shape, but that's going to be difficult with those salaries as high as they are and the salary cap going down like it will.

they MIGHT be able to unload Huet if a team is really desperate, but there is no way any teams takes on that 7 mil for Campbell and if they buy him out, that's 3.5 against the cap for a player they don't even keep, so it's lose-lose... they're pretty screwed...

[stevkrause 1,247]

The same site has Detroit over $500,000 over the cap too.

that's counting ALL of our minor leaguers though, that won't be playing... if you look at who it has counted for CHI, only about 1.5-2 of that is actually players that won't be on the roster and in the minors to start the season, so that STILL puts them at 2-2.5 over and that's not even into this year yet...

Edited July 8, 2009 by stevkrause

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

That's because they have 25 players on their active roster. They'll move (or drop down) 3 of those players atleast and be in much better shape.

[stevkrause 1,247]

That's because they have 25 players on their active roster. They'll move (or drop down) 3 of those players atleast and be in much better shape.

see above

that's counting ALL of our minor leaguers though, that won't be playing... if you look at who it has counted for CHI, only about 1.5-2 of that is actually players that won't be on the roster and in the minors to start the season, so that STILL puts them at 2-2.5 over and that's not even into this year yet...

Edited July 8, 2009 by stevkrause

[eva unit zero 271]

It's like I've said before. The plan for Chicago is simple.

Huet and Crawford will split starts, and ideally Crawford shows enough goods that they can simply trade Huet next summer (or sooner) or waive him if no trade is available. With the solid defense they have outside of Campbell, they can do the same with Campbell. The only concern the Hawks could potentially have when ridding themselves of those two is a netminder to play alongside Crawford if Crawford hasn't shown the ability to be a top end starter.

Send Campbell and Huet out for depth players and picks, and perhaps a cheaper goaltender on Huet's level if they can't sign one via UFA for less than $3.5m. If Crawford blossoms, all they need is a decent backup, which can either be a veteran backup or Niemi.

That solves the problem.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

see above

See my above. That's why I said:

They'll move (or drop down) 3 of those players atleast and be in much better shape.

*Move* is the key word.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'm just going to put who I believe will be on Chicagos opening day roster

Kane (3.75)-Toews(2.80)-Hossa(5.16)

Sharp(3.90)-Bolland(3.75)-Versteeg(3.08)

Ladd(1.55)-Madden(2.75)-Byfuglien(3.00)

Brouwer(1.00)-Burish(0.71)-Kopecky(1.20)

Eager(0.96)

Seabrook(3.5)-Keith(1.47)

Barker(3.08)-Campbell(7.14)

Hjalmarsson(0.64)-Sopel(2.33)

Johnson(0.55)

Huet (5.65)

Crawford(0.75)

Good line-up, but pricey. But it's going to be hard for them next year. Toews, Keith, Kane, Ladd, Skille, Hjalmarsson all RFA's in the way of a raise. Madden, Burish, Johnson, Fraser, and Eager are for sure gone next year too. Interesting situation.

[Raptor1116 11]

It's like I've said before. The plan for Chicago is simple.

Huet and Crawford will split starts, and ideally Crawford shows enough goods that they can simply trade Huet next summer (or sooner) or waive him if no trade is available. With the solid defense they have outside of Campbell, they can do the same with Campbell. The only concern the Hawks could potentially have when ridding themselves of those two is a netminder to play alongside Crawford if Crawford hasn't shown the ability to be a top end starter.

Send Campbell and Huet out for depth players and picks, and perhaps a cheaper goaltender on Huet's level if they can't sign one via UFA for less than $3.5m. If Crawford blossoms, all they need is a decent backup, which can either be a veteran backup or Niemi.

That solves the problem.

And who exactly is going to want to take on the Huet or Campbell contracts?

Just because Chicago wants to trade players doesn't mean they get to.

[HawksFan4Life 0]

Maybe it's different? In MLB the team that traded you still pays your contract.

[MacK_Attack 108]

Only way out of their jam is to ditch Campbell, and he's not going to bring any interest from anyone at that salary.

People always say that, and then some sucker steps up and takes them.

If the Rangers could move Gomez, the Hawks can move Campbell. Not saying they will, but there would be takers.

[SweWings 45]

If the Rangers could move Gomez, the Hawks can move Campbell. Not saying they will, but there would be takers.

That is so very true.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

People always say that, and then some sucker steps up and takes them.

If the Rangers could move Gomez, the Hawks can move Campbell. Not saying they will, but there would be takers.

True enough, but I just can't imagine someone taking on Campbell's salary after such a mediocre performance when it really counted. He had an alright season, not much good in the playoffs, though. With the salary cap threatening to decline severely, with his defensive shortcomings being so glaringly exposed.. it's just difficult to fathom a GM out there being foolish enough to trade for him. Chicago can't even take back significant salary, either; they need every bit of his 7 million and Huet's 5.6 to keep their RFAs.

[MacK_Attack 108]

True enough, but I just can't imagine someone taking on Campbell's salary after such a mediocre performance when it really counted. He had an alright season, not much good in the playoffs, though. With the salary cap threatening to decline severely, with his defensive shortcomings being so glaringly exposed.. it's just difficult to fathom a GM out there being foolish enough to trade for him. Chicago can't even take back significant salary, either; they need every bit of his 7 million and Huet's 5.6 to keep their RFAs.

And Gomez lit the world on fire last year? There's always a GM out there that's desperate to save his job and will take a chance on a player like Campbell.

Hawks will ditch Sopel in Rockford, so that's $2.5 million right there.

Edited July 8, 2009 by MacK_Attack

[Drake_Marcus 890]

They can buy out contracts, can't they?

Sure. At 2/3 of the price spread out over the remainder of the contract. Buy outs are definitely not an ideal solution to cap troubles.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I think Tallon does have something up his sleeve. Don't ask me what. But common sense, who makes these deals without having a plan?

The big RFA season is only a year away so I have a hard time believing he's going into it with no plan at all.