Yzerman2010 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Kenny, forget the little shrimp Hudler. sign Grier AND Betts! and we'll be more than ok for this upcoming season. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstrom Franzen, Filppula, Leino Cleary, Helm, Grier Maltby, Draper, Betts Lidstrom, Ericsson Kronwall, Rafalski Stuart, Lebda Lilja either traded or IR -- and if you need to trade BOTH LILJA AND LEBDA DO IT --KINDL or MEECH can take the 6th spot (we'll look to adding vetern presence at the trade deadline!) Meech - 7th D-man Downy/McCarty - 13th forward GET 'ER DONE!! and PLEASE STOP CONSIDERING JASON WILLIAMS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Yes and Mike, play Datsyuk and Zetterberg on the same line. Oh and Mr. Ilitch, buy the NHL and fire Bettman, Campbell, Pittsburgh Penguins and Anaheim Ducks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 I don't have anything against either Grier or Betts but I don't understand the obsession with those two guys on this board. They could fit in decently and I do like the idea of havign Abdelkader starting the season in GR but I just don't get it. Besides, it looks more and more like Hudler will either be back on the Wings active roster or that he'll be signed and moved for other assets. As much as I'd rather see Abdelkader in GR in October I would much rather see a Cleary - Helm - Abdelkader 3rd line than a Cleary - Helm - Grier 3rd line. I would take one of Grier or Betts but not both. But hey, that's just me. Personally I dont get why the Wings wouldnt resign Downey to a 2 way deal. Seems weird to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Oh and I really think we'll see a decent amount of Jeremy Williams on the 4th line this year as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 I would like to think Detroit has the depth to roll a few guys onto the "injured" list for a few days here-and-there to not be exhausted after starting this season overseas and coming off of THREE consecutive deep playoff runs, and one hangover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman2010 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Abdelkader will be better served playing top line minutes in GR along with the call ups for injuries. Grier and Betts will provide energy, good sized players that can throw some weight around. Hudler for 3 mil per is ridiculous...ya he scores but he's not a playoff type player. he doesn't work hard enough, doesn't sacrifice his body enough and rarely goes to the net. we have enough skill on the team, we need more people who know their role and will lay it all on the line...Hudler believes he is a top line player and although given opportunities to prove that he's done nothing with it. time for him to go play in L.A. bottom 6 should be good defensively, able to lay the body and provide energy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Even though I'd rather see ABdelkader play top line minutes in GR I'm not sure which would benefit him more, the top line minutes in GR or solid minutes on the 3rd line on the Wings. I think Abdelkader can provide a similar, gritty, defensively responsible type of game that Betts can. Granted, Grier can crash and bang like few others in the game can but long term I htink it serves us better to us Abdelkader. Personally I'd like to see someone who does have grit and intensitiy but who has some hands be signed for the 3rd line spot over Mike Grier. I personally believe that Hudler at 3M per for 5 years is similar to Filppula for the same deal. Years 1 and 2 it's not the sweetest deal in the world but come years 3, 4 and 5 we'd be getting legit top six forwards at 3M a season. I beleive they will both turn into very strong top 6 guys. But hey, that's jut my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donaldjr2448 43 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Even though I'd rather see ABdelkader play top line minutes in GR I'm not sure which would benefit him more, the top line minutes in GR or solid minutes on the 3rd line on the Wings. I think Abdelkader can provide a similar, gritty, defensively responsible type of game that Betts can. Granted, Grier can crash and bang like few others in the game can but long term I htink it serves us better to us Abdelkader. Personally I'd like to see someone who does have grit and intensitiy but who has some hands be signed for the 3rd line spot over Mike Grier. I personally believe that Hudler at 3M per for 5 years is similar to Filppula for the same deal. Years 1 and 2 it's not the sweetest deal in the world but come years 3, 4 and 5 we'd be getting legit top six forwards at 3M a season. I beleive they will both turn into very strong top 6 guys. But hey, that's jut my opinion. I am a little more hesitant to go out and sign anyone right now just because if someone does get injured, we will have to make a call to GR and bring someone up. With only having just over 1 million to play with thats not much room! Unless the injured player goes on LTIR like Lilja! Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we bring someone up for more than ten days then we have to add them to the payroll or risk a waiver. I think that is how it works!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.ph...t=0&start=0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 There's more to it than that I think. It all depends on the minor league options of the player. I believe entry level guys can be brought up and down without risking losing them on waivers. Then guys with two way deals can be brought up and down the same way I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.ph...t=0&start=0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 There's more to it than that I think. It all depends on the minor league options of the player. I believe entry level guys can be brought up and down without risking losing them on waivers. Then guys with two way deals can be brought up and down the same way I think. From what I understand, the 2-way doesn't effect the waivers, only the pay. They get one amount for GR and a larger amount for the Wings. Everything else stays the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigWillieStyle 662 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 Grier AND Betts! Isn't that AIG's accounting firm? But Grier has a right shot............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selke13 0 Report post Posted July 17, 2009 i like the idea of grier, but not sure if id rather see him than abdelkader. grier: is proven, has size, grit, more scoring touch than our 4rth line combined Abdelkader: great upside, played great in playoffs, can finish, also gritty not sure how much grier would cost. wouldnt mind seeing him in the wings uniform, but i think id rather see abdelkader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) i like the idea of grier, but not sure if id rather see him than abdelkader. grier: is proven, has size, grit, more scoring touch than our 4rth line combined Abdelkader: great upside, played great in playoffs, can finish, also gritty not sure how much grier would cost. wouldnt mind seeing him in the wings uniform, but i think id rather see abdelkader It's a total waste of a year of Abelkader's development to have him sit on the 4th line playing 6 mins a night in the NHL. He isn't a PK or PP candidate either, so that 6 mins is unlikely to balloon much. Let him centre the first line in GR (and even give him some time on one of the wings since we have more than enough centres right now) and play 20 mins a night with all that responsibility. He'll become a better player that way. EDIT: Oh, and Holland's already got his hands tied to 4 rookies on the 09-10 team. I have a hard time believing he'd be happy with playing a roster that's a 1/4 rookies, which is what we'd have if Abs were on it. 4 rookies is enough for one season! Edited July 18, 2009 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 It's a total waste of a year of Abelkader's development to have him sit on the 4th line playing 6 mins a night in the NHL. He isn't a PK or PP candidate either, so that 6 mins is unlikely to balloon much. Let him centre the first line in GR (and even give him some time on one of the wings since we have more than enough centres right now) and play 20 mins a night with all that responsibility. He'll become a better player that way.EDIT: Oh, and Holland's already got his hands tied to 4 rookies on the 09-10 team. I have a hard time believing he'd be happy with playing a roster that's a 1/4 rookies, which is what we'd have if Abs were on it. 4 rookies is enough for one season! Thank you!!! Let's not forget that Abdelkader is good when he plays at center, when he plays winger... well that's another story... Which line he's going to centre??? Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Homer Flip - Franzen - Cleary Leino - Helm - Maltby - Draper - What Red Wings need is to get PK unit stronger, that's why people are calling for Betts and/or Grier. I would like to add - there is no WAY that Cleary is going to play on 3rd line after his play in playoff. Another player that could turn in Cleary 2.0 is Bell - I hop that Detroit is going to invite him in camp this summer - he can play hockey, hit and fight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 It's a total waste of a year of Abelkader's development to have him sit on the 4th line playing 6 mins a night in the NHL. He isn't a PK or PP candidate either, so that 6 mins is unlikely to balloon much. Let him centre the first line in GR (and even give him some time on one of the wings since we have more than enough centres right now) and play 20 mins a night with all that responsibility. He'll become a better player that way. EDIT: Oh, and Holland's already got his hands tied to 4 rookies on the 09-10 team. I have a hard time believing he'd be happy with playing a roster that's a 1/4 rookies, which is what we'd have if Abs were on it. 4 rookies is enough for one season! This one is even better!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 Thank you!!! Let's not forget that Abdelkader is good when he plays at center, when he plays winger... well that's another story... Which line he's going to centre??? Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Homer Flip - Franzen - Cleary Leino - Helm - Maltby - Draper - What Red Wings need is to get PK unit stronger, that's why people are calling for Betts and/or Grier. I would like to add - there is no WAY that Cleary is going to play on 3rd line after his play in playoff. Another player that could turn in Cleary 2.0 is Bell - I hop that Detroit is going to invite him in camp this summer - he can play hockey, hit and fight... You make a good point about Bell doing a tryout. Has he been playing hockey in another league to stay in shape? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 You make a good point about Bell doing a tryout. Has he been playing hockey in another league to stay in shape? I'm pretty sure he spent all last season in the AHL. He split the time between the Toronto Marlies and Hartford Wolf Pack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 18, 2009 I'm pretty sure he spent all last season in the AHL. He split the time between the Toronto Marlies and Hartford Wolf Pack. Well then invite his drunk ass to camp! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted July 19, 2009 It's a total waste of a year of Abelkader's development to have him sit on the 4th line playing 6 mins a night in the NHL. He isn't a PK or PP candidate either, so that 6 mins is unlikely to balloon much. Let him centre the first line in GR (and even give him some time on one of the wings since we have more than enough centres right now) and play 20 mins a night with all that responsibility. He'll become a better player that way. EDIT: Oh, and Holland's already got his hands tied to 4 rookies on the 09-10 team. I have a hard time believing he'd be happy with playing a roster that's a 1/4 rookies, which is what we'd have if Abs were on it. 4 rookies is enough for one season! This is true. Damn. Okay, let's sign some fighters... oh wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 20, 2009 I would love to have Grier in Detroit. He's gritty and he's a hometown boy. Probably not too pricey either. Get it done Kenny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted July 20, 2009 i liked watching grier in san jose. i didn't think he was ONE of the rotton apples on the sharks last seson. from what i have seen from him i wouldn't mind him as a wing. he would be great on a 3rd-4th line. if we could sign him cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman#19 17 Report post Posted July 20, 2009 I would love to have Grier in Detroit. He's gritty and he's a hometown boy. Probably not too pricey either. Get it done Kenny! ^ This. Yes. Please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 20, 2009 I would love to have Grier in Detroit. He's gritty and he's a hometown boy. Probably not too pricey either. Get it done Kenny! Him and Abdelkader can be the Michigan pairing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
