Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 How about if the Wings sign Shanny to finish his career and get one more Cup. That way I can take my jersey out of the closet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Shanny = cup....in 97. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankanator 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Don't ever put Shanahan in the same sentence as Drake. Shanahan was a shell of his former self when he left this team or was pushed out. We know Shanahan's game, he stands around waiting for passes. He doesn't fight and he doesn't hit. Spend the money on Grier or a guy who will actually throw his weight around and make the other team feel some pain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 How about if the Wings sign Shanny to finish his career and get one more Cup. That way I can take my jersey out of the closet Why did you do this? Shanny = cup....in 97. Yeah. Don't ever put Shanahan in the same sentence as Drake. Shanahan was a shell of his former self when he left this team or was pushed out. We know Shanahan's game, he stands around waiting for passes. He doesn't fight and he doesn't hit. Spend the money on Grier or a guy who will actually throw his weight around and make the other team feel some pain. I agree, all he did was float around the last couple years he was here (by float around I mean he was non-effective in the playoffs and playing the circle). I will admit, it's been great to see him put up points the last couple of seasons. He's not even had really good ice time, yet put up really good numbers. If memory serves me correctly, Shanny's first year in NY he was hailed and expected to produce some pretty big numbers. He was also expected to help lead that team, which had Jagr as their Captian. It was reported Shanny did just that, hell he should have been named the Captain of THAT NY Ranger's Team, but wasn't. It seems the team started spliting. The bottom line here folks; Shanny should have been given more credit for what he did w/ that lockerroom. BOTTOM LINE. Still would like to see Shanny in Philly this season, sorry guys!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankanator 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Why did you do this? Yeah. I agree, all he did was float around the last couple years he was here (by float around I mean he was non-effective in the playoffs and playing the circle). I will admit, it's been great to see him put up points the last couple of seasons. He's not even had really good ice time, yet put up really good numbers. If memory serves me correctly, Shanny's first year in NY he was hailed and expected to produce some pretty big numbers. He was also expected to help lead that team, which had Jagr as their Captian. It was reported Shanny did just that, hell he should have been named the Captain of THAT NY Ranger's Team, but wasn't. It seems the team started spliting. The bottom line here folks; Shanny should have been given more credit for what he did w/ that lockerroom. BOTTOM LINE. Still would like to see Shanny in Philly this season, sorry guys!! The team started falling apart once Shanahan arrived. Jagr had just put up 123 points and finished second in Hart voting(Only 40 votes from wining). There were even rumors of there being a problem between Datsyuk and Shanahan when he was still playing on this team. Shanahan has never struck me as a great "Leader" on any team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 The team started falling apart once Shanahan arrived. Jagr had just put up 123 points and finished second in Hart voting(Only 40 votes from wining). There were even rumors of there being a problem between Datsyuk and Shanahan when he was still playing on this team. Shanahan has never struck me as a great "Leader" on any team. AAHH. I can then rest my case? Shanny in Wings Uni again; not happening. Shanny w/ Philly is my prediction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 From what I've heard Shanny and Babcock did not get along. That would probably be an issue for him if he were asked to return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Shanny needs to retire and replace Bettman. Aside from the highly valid points above (which have my total agreement), Shanny getting another Cup wouldn't be as dramatic as Drake getting a Cup. Heck, all of the guys who have already won it want another Cup, regardless of where they are playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Don't ever put Shanahan in the same sentence as Drake. Shanahan was a shell of his former self when he left this team or was pushed out. We know Shanahan's game, he stands around waiting for passes. He doesn't fight and he doesn't hit. Spend the money on Grier or a guy who will actually throw his weight around and make the other team feel some pain. What the hell are you talking about? Shanny score 40 goals and was a +29 the last year he was here. You should do your homework before you post. And no I don't want him back. He IS a shell of his former self NOW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Can we please just kill this topic already - he IS NOT COMING BACK HERE... Plus, this is a horrible comparison, Drake had NEVER won a cup and left it all on the ice for his shot... Shanny has won 3... hardly the same motivation... He is a shell of himself and needs to retire and DEFINITELY is not what we need... I loved him when he was here, but he is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 It's really funny how Dallas Drake has taken on mythic proportions around here. The dude was unwanted in St. Louis after putting up 12 points in 60 games. He then put up 6 points in 65 games for Detroit, and most here wanted him dropped. He did play great in the post-season -- but "great" added up to all of 4 points in 22 games. Please. Another Dallas Drake is not going to be the savior of this team. I would prefer Shanahan (not that I think he would come back to Detroit), a guy who still has some bark and could be a PP specialist and pot you 20 goals. Heck, you can still grab your 'Dallas Drake' at league minimum - but let's not pretend he was more than what he was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Finally someone realizes exactly what Dallas Drake was to this team. Yes, he played a rough, gritty, and motivated game during the playoffs. He did leave it all out on the ice and got his cup but during the regular season he far from the be all end all everyone is praising him for. Personally, I sincerely doubt Shanahan would come back but if he did you can bet he would not only put up far better numbers than Drake did in his last season but he would play with all the heart he has left. I don't udnerstand the sudden bashing of Shanahan on this board. THat guy busted his ass for our team and I was sad to see him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 (edited) Finally someone realizes exactly what Dallas Drake was to this team. Yes, he played a rough, gritty, and motivated game during the playoffs. He did leave it all out on the ice and got his cup but during the regular season he far from the be all end all everyone is praising him for. Personally, I sincerely doubt Shanahan would come back but if he did you can bet he would not only put up far better numbers than Drake did in his last season but he would play with all the heart he has left. I don't udnerstand the sudden bashing of Shanahan on this board. THat guy busted his ass for our team and I was sad to see him go. Because he has steadily declined every year since he left. Goals - 40, 29, 23, 6 (34 games) +/- +29, +2, -2, -2 The first year listed is his last year with the Wings. He's 40 years old now. I don't know how anybody could look at this objectively and conclude that we would want him back. Edited July 29, 2009 by chrisdetroit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 OLD PEOPLE WIN CUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Because he has steadily declined every year since he left. Goals - 40, 29, 23, 6 (34 games) +/- +29, +2, -2, -2 The first year listed is his last year with the Wings. He's 40 years old now. I don't know how anybody could look at this objectively and conclude that we would want him back. I wasnt making an argument as to bring him back. Just because his numbers have declined doesnt explain why ppl were bashing him during his last couple of years in Detroit. Obviously with age his numbers will decrease. You shouldnt be gauging a player relative to his past numbers. You should be gauging him on what he brings to you now vs. his cost. It's a cost-benefit issue. Shanahan today at 500k if he puts up 10 g, 20 a, is close to a plus player and brings leadership then he'd be worth it for sure. If you don't think he can bring those things then that's another issue. EIther way, dont judge him relative to his previous success. Judge him based on what he brings today for what it costs us today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 The team started falling apart once Shanahan arrived. Jagr had just put up 123 points and finished second in Hart voting(Only 40 votes from wining). There were even rumors of there being a problem between Datsyuk and Shanahan when he was still playing on this team. Shanahan has never struck me as a great "Leader" on any team. I can't picture Datsyuk having a problem with ANYONE. He seems way too cool for that. Any substance to that rumor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I can't picture Datsyuk having a problem with ANYONE. He seems way too cool for that. Any substance to that rumor? I have to agree with that. Datsyuk seems way too mild mannered to really have any issue with anyone, let alone Shanahan. That seems strange to me. Shanahan strikes me as the type of guy who knows what his role is now and would embrace it. I really think he could be a good fit for one year on our fourth line and getting some PP time. BUt that;'s just me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvxp 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Don't ever put Shanahan in the same sentence as Drake. Shanahan was a shell of his former self when he left this team or was pushed out. We know Shanahan's game, he stands around waiting for passes. He doesn't fight and he doesn't hit. Spend the money on Grier or a guy who will actually throw his weight around and make the other team feel some pain. True, that is why we don't need him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 True, that is why we don't need him. This is the bashing Im talking about. I dont get it. Why is everyone so harsh on Shanahan? AM I missing somethign here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 Boy... are there any x-Wings we don't have a "they will return" thread for? Bertuzzi, Williams, Lang, etc... This is getting stupid... You know Holland has the ability to sign guys who have never played here before right? It's incredibly moronic to think that people on this board would unanimously reject a 29 yr old Afinogenov, but mention some washed up late 30 early 40 x-Wing and the support starts coming out... very strange. Not saying I want Afi, just saying it's pretty silly to advocate signing yet another old goat that is going to take a roster spot away from a young and hungry kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 (edited) Some here think Shanny is too old/washed-up and is of no use to the Red Wings...I mean seriously - who would want a guy capable of scoring 20-25 goals, taking a regular shift on the 3rd line, play on the 2nd pp unit (maybe even taking over Sammy's spot at the point), be a great locker room guy, stand-up for his teammates, and be a fan favorite/get the Joe rockin' (man does anyone else miss the Irish Jig)? Dude - he's useless Useless? not completely. But if you think he's going to net you 20-25 goals, you're mistaken (when you're in your 40s in the NHL, you're aging in Dog years now, not human years). Not to mention, if Lang or Sammy taught you anything it would be that points don't always equate to value, or to winning games. Especially if said point getter is a severe defensive liability... which is what Shanny has been the past couple of seasons. We led the league in goals last year, and were 3rd the year before...and contrary to popular opinion our roster losses this season will not equate to an offensively inept squad... we're not at a point of offensive desperation (like NJ was last year) where we need to sign a bag of bones to sit between the circles launching poor shot after poor shot... I loved Shanny in his years here, but he does not possess any of the qualities we need out of a free agent forward right now. And also, if you're suggesting he play the point... you're nuts (no offense)... Sammy was terrible there, but at least he had the speed necessary to recover... if you had Shanny on the point we'd have a record year for short handed goals conceded.. and that's not an insult to Shanny, it's just not a position he can actually play.. he just doesn't possess the speed... Why not put Holmstrom there while you're at it? Edited July 29, 2009 by RedWings Gone Wild Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 See, what I mean? It really seems like ppl are being overly harsh on him. I think he does bring some of what the Wings are looking for. As I've said in previous posts I don't think he is the absolute best option out there but I dont think he is pure crap either, especially considering you'd sign him for like 700k or something. Maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate and ppl bashing him are making me think this way but it just sounds like he's being overly criticized. I dont think he is washed up and useles. I think he'd fit on our 3/4 line, get second unit pp time. I think he could definitely contribute 10-12 goals for sure. But, that's just me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 (edited) I was thrilled to see Shanahan walk away from the $4m per season contract Holland had offered. IMO, it was apparent he was no longer worth that - especially to this team. But yeah, if we are now talking less than $1m for a guy who would be a regular on the 2nd PP (we lost three players from that unit, by the way), will pot some timely goals and perhaps throw knuckles a few times... what's not to like? I certainly would not mind it, but I doubt it will happen. I just think he wants to stay on the East Coast. Edited July 29, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 I was thrilled to see Shanahan walk away from the $4m per season contract Holland had offered. IMO, it was apparent he was no longer worth that - especially to this team. But yeah, if we are now talking less than $1m for a guy who would be a regular on the 2nd PP (we lost three players from that unit, by the way), will pot some timely goals and perhaps throw knuckles a few times... what's not to like? I certainly would not mind it, but I doubt it will happen. I just think he wants to stay on the East Coast. You are definitely right. At the time that $4M contract was more out of loyalty than it was for hockey. If I'm not mistaken Shanahan ended up accepting $2.5M from the Rangers. I also doubt Shanahan will come here but I was just making the point that even at the 800k he signed with Jersey last year, personally, I think he'd be worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 29, 2009 (edited) You are definitely right. At the time that $4M contract was more out of loyalty than it was for hockey. If I'm not mistaken Shanahan ended up accepting $2.5M from the Rangers. I also doubt Shanahan will come here but I was just making the point that even at the 800k he signed with Jersey last year, personally, I think he'd be worth it. No doubt. He initially signed for exactly the same with NY as what Holland was offering -- $4m. Edited July 29, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
