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Sportsnet: Hudler awarded 2 year deal 5m total; Still KHL bound

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You sir, are delusional with your Jiri Hudler crush. Jiri is a talented, but small forward that is a direct result of exceptional players surrounding him.

Jiri doesn't fit in the NHL anyhow, he won't be seeing too much of the above video where he's headed... Congratulations Jiri.

Yeah, that Theo Fleury character at 5'6" never played well in the NHL...

Pat Verbeek was short too. Nah, he couldn't play in the NHL either...

Steve Sullivan...

Drop those bums, they stink just like all the other small guys...

/sarcasm

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Yeah, that Theo Fleury character at 5'6" never played well in the NHL...

Pat Verbeek was short too. Nah, he couldn't play in the NHL either...

Steve Sullivan...

Drop those bums, they stink just like all the other small guys...

/sarcasm

maybe the bitterness is showing through,..but,...

just to point out

In sullivans case he has insane speed which allows him to stay ahead of defenders

in Verbeeks case he was just nasty and strong enough to back it up

in fleury's case he was both

hudler is neither fast nor nasty and strong enough to play a NA game beyond the one he already played, the 3rd line/2nd line type

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maybe the bitterness is showing through,..but,...

just to point out

In sullivans case he has insane speed which allows him to stay ahead of defenders

in Verbeeks case he was just nasty and strong enough to back it up

in fleury's case he was both

hudler is neither fast nor nasty and strong enough to play a NA game beyond the one he already played, the 3rd line/2nd line type

/thread

The person I commented on said Hudler was small and had no place in the NHL largely due to his size.

I was demonstrating to him that all these guys still had great NHL careers despite their SIZE and being SMALL...

Generalizations are usually never a good thing...

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Yeah, that Theo Fleury character at 5'6" never played well in the NHL...

Pat Verbeek was short too. Nah, he couldn't play in the NHL either...

Steve Sullivan...

Drop those bums, they stink just like all the other small guys...

/sarcasm

Seriously, all they have in common is size. Theo Fluery was one of the biggest pricks in the NHL, was physical, and was a huge pest. Verbeeks name was the Little Ball of Hate, I mean c'mon, I'd love to have someone on the Wings like Verbeek. Sullivan has the heart of a lion, and is a fiesty little guy as well, only guy on that list that compares to Hudler because of skill sets. There are other players you didnt mention, Cliff Ronning, another guy who played big for his size, and had great skill in too. Hudler is gone, I wish we could get over talking about the little fool already. Move on folks (That ones not directed at you SWF, just in general.)

Edit: Ah, it's a size thing, in that case I agree, but when you bring up anything else, they dont have a single thing in common.

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Seriously, all they have in common is size. Theo Fluery was one of the biggest pricks in the NHL, was physical, and was a huge pest.

Anyone remember that one fan during the 98 Olympics that held out a sign that said, "Hey Fleury, do you need Prozac?"

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Seriously, all they have in common is size. Theo Fluery was one of the biggest pricks in the NHL, was physical, and was a huge pest. Verbeeks name was the Little Ball of Hate, I mean c'mon, I'd love to have someone on the Wings like Verbeek. Sullivan has the heart of a lion, and is a fiesty little guy as well, only guy on that list that compares to Hudler because of skill sets. There are other players you didnt mention, Cliff Ronning, another guy who played big for his size, and had great skill in too. Hudler is gone, I wish we could get over talking about the little fool already. Move on folks (That ones not directed at you SWF, just in general.)

Edit: Ah, it's a size thing, in that case I agree, but when you bring up anything else, they dont have a single thing in common.

The first thing that comes to mind when I read this (and the funny size nonsense preceding your post) was Lord Farquaad and his castle. Or most rednecks and their trucks with lift kit. Insecurity promotes compensation. Some of our fans feel insecure that this team doesn't just beat up on other teams, even if they are physical and can throw their bodies around when need be. It's all about image, and perhaps impressing some small niche group (maybe at hockeyfights.com) that only seems to find hockey enjoyable when it relates to fighting -- akin to having fans who want NFL players based on how well they do touchdown celebrations (when other people score). Very sad, yet very funny.

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Hudler only has to blame himself for not being a top six player. A guy of his size should be fast. He was either not putting in the gym time or didn't try to improve his skating technique. Speed can make up for size. Being slow and small = fail.

60 points as a PP specialist who plays against other teams third lines doesn't mean you're a top six player.

This is why Filppula is undoubtedly better. Even if his career peak is 60 points, he still has more to offer.

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Dunno if I'd say Hudler has himself to blame - however I agree that he's not overly fast, is rather average defensively, nor physical enough to have coaches/GMs overlook his size...His biggest attribute is his knack for scoring, but even then he's not as good as some would like to think.

Skating speed is purely about training. Sprinting, pylometrics, squatz.

Hudler has improved his skating slightly since coming into the league but hes not Brian Gionta. Thus far, it seems Jiri has gotten by on his offensive talent instead of hard work.

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Dunno if I'd say Hudler has himself to blame - however I agree that he's not overly fast, is rather average defensively, nor physical enough to have coaches/GMs overlook his size...His biggest attribute is his knack for scoring, but even then he's not as good as some would like to think.

Hudler may not be the most well rounded player, not extremely fast, and of course, makes himself prone to big hits by admiring the puck, but I would take a power play specialist any day, especially one that can actually score, over those that do get the time and do nothing with it. At very least, he's an opportunist.

While I was a bit complacent about the Hudler deal initially, I find myself actually missing what he brought now. That's the nature of the business though.

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I've only seen one Hudler jersey....and Hudler was wearing it.

I have a Hudler jersey......... :blush: Guess I better hang it up to rest......

Never a 30 goal scorer? Come on....that's only 7 more than last season....

I will miss him. Off to get a new jersey I suppose.

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Anyone else checking their news sites far too frequently in anticipation of the "48 hour arbitration decision"? We should know by now! :P
Yep. What's the holdup, Mr. Arbitrator? It's 72 hours already, and we're not likely to get anything on a Sunday. I bet Kenny Holland is pacing holes in the carpet even worse than we are, though.

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Oh how you are just ASKING for a page worth of manipulated stats.

HAHAHAHA! You guys are killing me. And here I thought I was the only one who busted Eva's balls.

But yes, Eva was wrong....................again.

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YAY!! we just lost a 25 year old scorer who hasnt even reached his full potential! I just hate guys who will probably score 30+ goals. Goals be damned, hockey is about fighting... after all the teams who've won the cup the last two years have benn FULL of enforcers.

In all fairness let me just say you're a stupid s*** bag.

Now that that's out of the way. Why did you only go back 2 years? Why not 3 years? Oh, because the Ducks won it 3 years ago and they lead the league in fighting majors and it would basically shed a different light on the bulls***, miniscule 2 year sample you're dangling in front of everybody like we're ******* turnips.

And by the way, you're officially on the RETARD list for using the term enforcer. From now on, anyone who uses the term enforcer is permanently placed on the retard list.

There are probably 100-150 players in the league that can fight who are NOT superstars and are NOT enforcers.

Some of us would like to employ one or two of them. Now shut up.

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Yeah, that Theo Fleury character at 5'6" never played well in the NHL...

Pat Verbeek was short too. Nah, he couldn't play in the NHL either...

Steve Sullivan...

Drop those bums, they stink just like all the other small guys...

/sarcasm

In all fairness I would like to point out that each of those guys is more of an exception than a rule.

In fact, the vast majority of NHL players are at least 6 foot, with the average being closer to 6 foot 1 I believe and somewhere right above 200 pounds.

The guys you mentioned were great, and Hudler could be great. But he'd still be an exception.

IMO, we're probably f***ed anyway because odds are we won't replace Hudler with a guy who is nearly as talented and we won't replace Hudler with a guy who brings something to the table that we don't have.

Namely, Holland won't do anything to bring in somebody with size, toughness, an ability to fight and play a regular shift.

The Wings need more big bodies. They need to be able to scrap once in awhile and they need to be more abrasive to play against. Hitting people merely to impede their forward progress and throwing glove on punches is fine most of the time. But the ability to actually man up so you don't have complete and utter mismatches would be nice.

You know, so you don't have Corey Perry pounding on Rafalski. So you don't have Ryan Getzlaf trying to tee up Marian Hossa. So you don't have a really, non fighter in Lilja have to take on a combative and very tough Shea Weber and potentially have his career put in jeopardy.

But since Holland won't give us anybody to fill that role and the odds of him finding a talent as good as Hudler are slim......we're pretty much f***ed either way so who cares. Let's just drop the pucks and see what kind of team we roll out there.

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The first thing that comes to mind when I read this (and the funny size nonsense preceding your post) was Lord Farquaad and his castle. Or most rednecks and their trucks with lift kit. Insecurity promotes compensation. Some of our fans feel insecure that this team doesn't just beat up on other teams, even if they are physical and can throw their bodies around when need be. It's all about image, and perhaps impressing some small niche group (maybe at hockeyfights.com) that only seems to find hockey enjoyable when it relates to fighting -- akin to having fans who want NFL players based on how well they do touchdown celebrations (when other people score). Very sad, yet very funny.

Completely oversimplifying but whatever. And you know better so shame on you.

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Yes I will miss Hudler's goal scoring. But let's face it, he's mediocre defensively and has no physical game whatsoever. I would much rather keep guys that bring more to the table. A player that can score and also plays great defensively. Or a player that can score and can also throw his body around. Or a player that can do all three. The point is, Hudler is not a well rounded player. I would be devastated if we lost Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Franzen, but losing Hudler isn't even close.

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I have a Hudler jersey......... :blush: Guess I better hang it up to rest......

Never a 30 goal scorer? Come on....that's only 7 more than last season....

I will miss him. Off to get a new jersey I suppose.

If you ever look to sell let me know. I would make an offer on it.

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HAHAHAHA! You guys are killing me. And here I thought I was the only one who busted Eva's balls.

But yes, Eva was wrong....................again.

How can I have been wrong when the situation I laid out never occurred? I said if the head of the KHL followed through with his statement about not registering Hudler's contract unless the Wings rejected Hudler's arbitration award, then Hudler would be a Wing in 09-10.

Tell me how I was wrong. Please, GST, I beg you to rant and rave about how I was wrong and how Chris Neil in a Wings jersey for $2m would prove it.

Now, I will remind you, that Hudler's KHL contract was registered before Holland ever knew what Hudler's award was, and therefore before he could ever accept or reject it. So how was I wrong if what I said would occur was based on a potential situation that did not occur?

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How can I have been wrong

Hudler probably would have been awarded around $3.5 had he just sat around and waited for the hearing. I would not be surprised if his award will be closer to $3m because of his signing with the KHL. Also, the KHL has said that, pending the outcome of the arbitration tomorrow, they will not register Hudler's contract if the Wings agree to the contract awarded tomorrow. The IIHF has stated they will not issue a transfer card, which would be required for Hudler to play in the KHL, to Hudler if the Wings accept the contract.

So assuming all of that information has been reported accurately, then if the Wings accept the contract awarded to Hudler tomorrow, the question pretty much is about how Holland clears cap space, not what league Hudler is playing in this coming season.

Please excuse me whilst I LOL my socks off.

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How can I have been wrong when the situation I laid out never occurred? I said if the head of the KHL followed through with his statement about not registering Hudler's contract unless the Wings rejected Hudler's arbitration award, then Hudler would be a Wing in 09-10.

Tell me how I was wrong. Please, GST, I beg you to rant and rave about how I was wrong and how Chris Neil in a Wings jersey for $2m would prove it.

Now, I will remind you, that Hudler's KHL contract was registered before Holland ever knew what Hudler's award was, and therefore before he could ever accept or reject it. So how was I wrong if what I said would occur was based on a potential situation that did not occur?

1st of all you should probably take your blathering to the person who stated you were wrong in the 1st place. I merely chuckled at the fact that other people find your statistical houdinism to be hysterically funny and that I enjoy the fact that other people like to bust your balls. My life consists of far too many important things to remember what the f*** you said about Hudler's future. To be quite honest, I don't even remember what the poster who said you were wrong was referring too. I just found it amusing that people were bagging on you.

Secondly, what the hell does Chris Neil have to do with anything? I love Chris Neil. Now show me a post where I said I would pay him 2 million to play for us. I sure as hell don't ever recall saying anything of the sort except that I love the way he plays and would love to have him. I don't know what his status is/was/will be. I don't know anything about his contract demands or currently salary. So you bringing him up means nothing other than you're desperate.

I think you're funny. I hardly ever agree with anything you say and I think your statistical analysis is.......and I quote from the great Ghostbusters: "Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy and your conclusions are highly questionable. You're a poor scientist, Dr.Venkman."

I just thought it was funny that somebody else feels the same way as I do. :thumbup:

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How can I have been wrong when the situation I laid out never occurred? I said if the head of the KHL followed through with his statement about not registering Hudler's contract unless the Wings rejected Hudler's arbitration award, then Hudler would be a Wing in 09-10.

Tell me how I was wrong. Please, GST, I beg you to rant and rave about how I was wrong and how Chris Neil in a Wings jersey for $2m would prove it.

Now, I will remind you, that Hudler's KHL contract was registered before Holland ever knew what Hudler's award was, and therefore before he could ever accept or reject it. So how was I wrong if what I said would occur was based on a potential situation that did not occur?

Man, I wasn't going to gloat at all, but you were wrong. We pretty much butted heads over this back and forth until I said, "screw it until the arbitration hearing happens". It happened, the Wings lost Hudler. You went over and over how if they accepted the award, he could not go to the KHL. Your big argument was that Medvedev was NOT going to register Hudler's contract, so he was going to remain in the NHL. The KHL did register it. You were wrong.

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