wings1110 184 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 we need a goon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Become a Leafs/Flyers fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) You mean, like this? I didn't know you played lacrosse tooo! Edited August 3, 2009 by Four Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 no i love the wings i just think a fighter would add a new demension to the team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) Become a Leafs/Flyers fan. sounds right. no i love the wings i just think a fighter would add a new demension to the team But how does that help them when the guy would be in the penalty box all the time? I understand having a guy who will stick up for your teammates but give me someone who can give solid minutes on the 3rd or 4th line too. A goon doesn't do that. Edited August 3, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Become a Leafs/Flyers fan. He just said "a" goon. Don't overdramatize. McGrattan and Simon are both good options at this point. We can also try to trade Datsyuk for Boogaard, but I don't think people here will buy that trade. So guys, what are the chances that this thread turns into an enforcer debate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Here's a goon-ie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 we need a goon New thread substance failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Here's a goon-ie Still better than Williams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 sounds right. But how does that help them when the guy would be in the penalty box all the time? I understand having a guy who will stick up for your teammates but give me someone who can give solid minutes on the 3rd or 4th line too. A goon doesn't do that. In the penalty box all the time? You've been watching Slapshot too many times if that's your definition of a tough guy. Too much stereotyping going on there. Was Downey in the box all the time? As long as there's another player in the other team's box too, than it's all good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Become a Leafs/Flyers fan. Would you tell a Wings fan who said "I want my team to be current stanley Cup Champions" to become a Penguins fan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) In the penalty box all the time? You've been watching Slapshot too many times if that's your definition of a tough guy. Too much stereotyping going on there. Was Downey in the box all the time? As long as there's another player in the other team's box too, than it's all good. No Downey wasn't but what else did he bring to the team? And he didn't even fight that much. Edited August 3, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) In the penalty box all the time? You've been watching Slapshot too many times if that's your definition of a tough guy. Too much stereotyping going on there. Was Downey in the box all the time? As long as there's another player in the other team's box too, than it's all good. I love how oftentimes the same people who praised Cheli throughout his career with the Wings make the statement that the Wings can' aford a fighter because of all the penalties the fighter would take. I prefer my toughguys with little offensive upside, and with the expectation that they will only play a few minutes a night. I don't want them thinking that their hands re too precious to risk injuring. I want them to play comparatively little, that gives more available time to guys who have better scoring touches. I want a 4th line of specialists who do very little except what they excell at. Draper, Holmstrom, Downey - all of these guys have valuable skills, but I don't want any of them on the ice when their particular skills aren't needed. Edited August 3, 2009 by micah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 You guys are getting my comment all wrong. I'm fine with the Wings getting an Enforcer, but a Goon is different than an Enforcer. I think that there isn't room on classy organizations such as the Wings for a Goon, but there is for an Enforcer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Actually maybe we should sign a guy that spends 10 minutes a night in the box because our PK needs some practice... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 No Downey wasn't but what else did he bring? He doesn't have to bring anything else. What did Kopecky bring? What did Maltby bring last year? There's room on this team just for one tough guy. I don't think the OP suggested that we should have a team full of goons. It's better than chasing after Williams again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 You guys are getting my comment all wrong. I'm fine with the Wings getting an Enforcer, but a Goon is different than an Enforcer. I think that there isn't room on classy organizations such as the Wings for a Goon, but there is for an Enforcer. We did sign Bertuzzi a few years back, who basically crippled a player and ended his career. I'm sure Holland signing a "goon" as you call it wouldn't be a big deal compared to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 I'll take anyone that can throw and take a punch without ending up on the IR for half a season. I don't like the term 'goon' either, but I would enjoy as a fan to see some physical play 6-8 minutes a night in the regular season to go along with our massive collection of skill players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 We did sign Bertuzzi a few years back, who basically crippled a player and ended his career. I'm sure Holland signing a "goon" as you call it wouldn't be a big deal compared to that. I'd rather have a guy on my team that had one lapse of judgement one time and is truly sorry for it rather than having a guy like Simon or Pronger or Ott (or even Tootoo) running around cheapshotting everything in sight and committing multiple offenses. That's my point. Yes, I think Bertuzzi is a bit of a goon because of the whole incident, but he is still better than a lot of other players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) We did sign Bertuzzi a few years back, who basically crippled a player and ended his career. I'm sure Holland signing a "goon" as you call it wouldn't be a big deal compared to that. But Bertuzzi, if healthy mind you, could still score. Not saying he was a classy player but he was not one sided. Was that Chris Simon you were mentioning earlier? The guy who crosschecked Hollweg to the face one year and the next year stepped on Ruutu's leg with his skate as he was skating off the ice and was suspended 55 games between the two instances. How does that help the team? Again I understand the argument but an enforecer is different. Joe Kocur and Darren McCarty could fight but gave you solid checking line minutes back in the day. Edited August 3, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 But Bertuzzi, if healthy mind you, could still score. Not saying he was a classy player but he was not one sided. Was that Chris Simon you were mentioning earlier? The guy who crosschecked Hollweg to the face one year and the next year stepped on Ruutu's leg with his skate as he was skating off the ice and was suspended 55 games between the two instances. How does that help the team? Again I understand the argument but an enforecer is different. Joe Kocur and Darren McCarty could fight but gave you solid checking line minutes back in the day. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 3, 2009 You guys are getting my comment all wrong. I'm fine with the Wings getting an Enforcer, but a Goon is different than an Enforcer. I think that there isn't room on classy organizations such as the Wings for a Goon, but there is for an Enforcer. We brought in Ulf f'n Sammuelsson for f's sake. Derek Boogaard is far classier in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 But Bertuzzi, if healthy mind you, could still score. Not saying he was a classy player but he was not one sided. Was that Chris Simon you were mentioning earlier? The guy who crosschecked Hollweg to the face one year and the next year stepped on Ruutu's leg with his skate as he was skating off the ice and was suspended 55 games between the two instances. How does that help the team? Again I understand the argument but an enforecer is different. Joe Kocur and Darren McCarty could fight but gave you solid checking line minutes back in the day. Simon is a more talented offensive player than Kocur ever was. He's not just some untalented thug. Yeah he's had some dumb moments, but the guy just spent an entire season in the KHL. He's probably softened up from playing with euros all this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Of all the cheapshotters mentioned, the only one I wouldnt take is Ott because he's a dirty little rat. Tootoo would be a fan favorite here, same with Pronger, Bertuzzi was liked here before he got hurt, Simon would probably be hated because he's a tougher guy. I'd love a tough guy too, but it's not gonna happen bud, dont get your hopes up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 Simon is a more talented offensive player than Kocur ever was. He's not just some untalented thug. Yeah he's had some dumb moments, but the guy just spent an entire season in the KHL. He's probably softened up from playing with euros all this time. I understand that and if he wasn't such a ****** with his antics I would be with you on that one. But in his case I wouldn't risk it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
