mad dingo 6 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Expects Dats - Zetts - Cleary Franz - Fil - (Bert - Williams) I guess Homer is not in the top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Expects Dats - Zetts - Cleary Franz - Fil - (Bert - Williams) I guess Homer is not in the top 6. it's probably for the best... use him as a 4th liner and rest him for PP specialist play... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 it's probably for the best... use him as a 4th liner and rest him for PP specialist play... That's sad. They must feel that his injuries have finally caught up to him. They must have seen this summer that he isn't recovering quite to his former self. I always liked Homer, he really redefined a crucial part of the game. I really like the idea of Franzen-Flip-Bertuzzi. Williams would be useless on that line, but having two big workhorses (Bert and Franzen) who also have a tendency to be clutch playing with a great center like Flip to feed them could mean big trouble for teams we play against. There's really no great spot for Williams. I feel he will adversely impact whoever he plays with. That being said, he should be on the third line, which will hopefully not teach Leino or Helm to become lazy and complacent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Expects Dats - Zetts - Cleary Franz - Fil - (Bert - Williams) I guess Homer is not in the top 6. Cool, me and Holland are on the same page. Homer gets demoted because he's frail and worthless at even strength, and the NA/Euro ratio is swinging in the right direction. It even looks like Maltby might be spending more time in the pressbox. Gonna be a great year. I bet Holland reads my posts for ideas. His internet connection was probably down when I was clamouring for Colton Orr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Although I definitely think Cleary deserves a top line spot, and he showed that he can be very effective with Datsyuk and Zetterberg it kind of strikes me as odd that Holmstrom wouldnt be playign with them as I think that's where Holmstrom can be most effective. I would rather see him get 10-15 goals playign with D and Z then getting 5 goals buried on the 4th line. Although that statement only holds true if Cleary's prodcution doesnt vastly improve with Datsyuk and Zetterberg over say Filppula and Franzen. If Cleary plays with D and Z all year we may see some significant contributions. Having scored 20 goals in both 07 and 08 getting third line minutes it is entirely possible to se him get 25-30 with first line minutes and guys like Z and D to play with. Maybe even more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 I really like the idea of Franzen-Flip-Bertuzzi. Williams would be useless on that line, but having two big workhorses (Bert and Franzen) who also have a tendency to be clutch playing with a great center like Flip to feed them could mean big trouble for teams we play against. Me too. With the way the Red Wings play I think it's good to have two players who can pass the puck well on the top two scoring lines. Franzen is barely average in that area and he admits it. Bert and Flip can have it on a string. Bertuzzi likes to be down low, Franzen likes to be in shooting position and Flip can do his thing around the perimeter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 As soon as any line goes a game without scoring they'll be mixed back up anyways, but I'm pretty okay with that top six. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeilThom 6 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Cool, me and Holland are on the same page. Homer gets demoted because he's frail and worthless at even strength, and the NA/Euro ratio is swinging in the right direction. It even looks like Maltby might be spending more time in the pressbox. Gonna be a great year. I bet Holland reads my posts for ideas. His internet connection was probably down when I was clamouring for Colton Orr. I bet he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 19, 2009 I really like the idea of Franzen-Flip-Bertuzzi. Thirded. Or Fourthed. Whatever. I like the way that line will spread things out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torless 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 I'm hoping that Babcock tries out Bert on the 3rd line with Williams on 2nd... We've already got Mule and Clears in top two and would be great to have that big net presence on the 3rd line. Add Homer to the 4th line and we've got a guy on all 4 lines that can screen and chip in shots. Not only that - it would be great to have a hulk like Bert to balance out the swift, lighter weight Helm and Leino. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 So what does this mean for the bottom six? Leino-Helm-Williams Holmstrom-Draper-Eaves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 I'm hoping that Babcock tries out Bert on the 3rd line with Williams on 2nd... We've already got Mule and Clears in top two and would be great to have that big net presence on the 3rd line. Add Homer to the 4th line and we've got a guy on all 4 lines that can screen and chip in shots. Not only that - it would be great to have a hulk like Bert to balance out the swift, lighter weight Helm and Leino. In 5 on 5 situations, Franzen isn't really a Cleary or Holmstrom kind of guy; he's more of a shooter. And he should be because he probably has the best shot on the team right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 So what does this mean for the bottom six? Leino-Helm-Williams Holmstrom-Draper-Eaves I thought about this one or: Leino-Williams-Homer Helm-Draper-Eaves but to be honest, I like the first one better. I think Holmstrom needs all the rest he can get these days, lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Dakota wings fan 7 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Expects Dats - Zetts - Cleary Franz - Fil - (Bert - Williams) I guess Homer is not in the top 6. That would be my top line. I would put Leino as the 3rd guy on that second line though. I suppose he will grow into it as the season goes along though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 I definitely think Leino starts the season on the 3rd line. If he progresses we may see him get some 2nd line time but right now he's not high enough on the depth chart. I like the line of Franzen - Filppula - Bertuzzi but I have a hard time seeing how the other lines fit well together after that. Cleary - Datsyuk - Zetterberg Franzen - Filppula - Bertuzzi Leino - Helm - Williams Eaves- Draper - Holmstrom/Maltby Although in some ways I'd almost rather seen Helm and Eaves switch spots. I see Helm as a high energy grinder who would elevate Draper and Holmstrom/Maltby and be more effective in that role. He doesn't really have the scoring I'd like to see on the 3rd line. But then again, Eaves may not have it either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Cool, me and Holland are on the same page. Homer gets demoted because he's frail and worthless at even strength, and the NA/Euro ratio is swinging in the right direction. It even looks like Maltby might be spending more time in the pressbox. Gonna be a great year. I bet Holland reads my posts for ideas. His internet connection was probably down when I was clamouring for Colton Orr. Yeah, I'm sure Kenny checks in on LGW and runs a "micah" post search before he makes any moves. If Holland really listened to you, the entire offense from top to bottom would be Travis Moen's or someone of the like. Sidenote: Yeah, that NA/Euro ratio sure hurt the Wings when they were skating around with the Cup in 2008. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
truebladearmy 33 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Cleary - Datsyuk - Zetterberg Franzen - Filppula - Bertuzzi Leino - Helm - Williams Eaves- Draper - Holmstrom/Maltby Why does this for some reason look really, surprsingly good to me? Franzen and Bertuzzi both have the ability to score, as we well know. And that will be one rough, tough, mean ass line on the ice. It will buy Filppula room to work and move, and we've all seen that he does have finesse, can pass, and can score. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if (Pending health of players), that line gets "hot" out there. Bert to enforce and pick up odd points and goals. Filp to move the puck, make the passes, and complete the goals. And Franzen....well...Mule is Mule. I eat my words on Holmstrom. Seems Holland/Babcock agrees with dropping him in lines, which I didn't, but now that I actually have a good look at what is very likely our final roster, I can see this making sense. I think all in all, that looks pretty sharp. Obviously be ready for line changes on a drastic scale, and we've got some huge injury risks in that lineup as well, but a health Wings team is still looking pretty damn sharp. Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Lebda D pairing isn't anything to shake a stick at either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) Sidenote: Yeah, that NA/Euro ratio sure hurt the Wings when they were skating around with the Cup in 2008. See NFM, that's the kind of jab that gets the thread off track. You big neener!! Edited August 19, 2009 by esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Why does this for some reason look really, surprsingly good to me? Franzen and Bertuzzi both have the ability to score, as we well know. And that will be one rough, tough, mean ass line on the ice. It will buy Filppula room to work and move, and we've all seen that he does have finesse, can pass, and can score. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if (Pending health of players), that line gets "hot" out there. Bert to enforce and pick up odd points and goals. Filp to move the puck, make the passes, and complete the goals. And Franzen....well...Mule is Mule. I eat my words on Holmstrom. Seems Holland/Babcock agrees with dropping him in lines, which I didn't, but now that I actually have a good look at what is very likely our final roster, I can see this making sense. I think all in all, that looks pretty sharp. Obviously be ready for line changes on a drastic scale, and we've got some huge injury risks in that lineup as well, but a health Wings team is still looking pretty damn sharp. Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Lebda D pairing isn't anything to shake a stick at either. Honestly, as good as that line up looks in a lot of ways I would still rather see: Holmstrom - Datsyuk - Zetterberg Bertuzzi - Filppula - Franzen Leino - Williams - Cleary Eaves - Draper - Helm Maltby Problem is that I definitely think Cleary deserves top line minutes. It's basically a catch 22. Either situation I think someone is being under used. If that's that case then I'd rather Holmstrom be under used because he can still step into the PP role and be very effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Yeah, I'm sure Kenny checks in on LGW and runs a "micah" post search before he makes any moves. If Holland really listened to you, the entire offense from top to bottom would be Travis Moen's or someone of the like. A Derek Boogaard in every slot, except a 4th line full of Aaron Boogaards. They need to prove themselves before getting promoted. Clutier in net. Sidenote: Yeah, that NA/Euro ratio sure hurt the Wings when they were skating around with the Cup in 2008. That was so 2008. Henry ford put wood spoked wheels on cars in 1916 because it was good enough in 1916. Wood spoked wheels won't cut it on a new Mustang GT. Kenney Holland iced a team filled a team with Euros way back in '08. Now Kenny and I agree that that recipe is outdated and Kenny is swinging the pendulum back towards NA players. Me and Kenny, Kenny and I. 2 peas in a pod. One day we went golfing and we got stuck in trafic on the way back. He was gonna make a move to get Brashear that day, but we got back too late. I keep telling him he should get a celphone and a better haircut. Ken Holland is such a close friend of mine that I now consider Holland my favorite country, that's how close we are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) Honestly, as good as that line up looks in a lot of ways I would still rather see: Holmstrom - Datsyuk - Zetterberg Bertuzzi - Filppula - Franzen Leino - Williams - Cleary Eaves - Draper - Helm Maltby Problem is that I definitely think Cleary deserves top line minutes. It's basically a catch 22. Either situation I think someone is being under used. If that's that case then I'd rather Holmstrom be under used because he can still step into the PP role and be very effective. I think those are going to be the lines at the start of the season. Except maybe flip Homer and Cleary. Whereever cleary goes is going to be better for that line. (ie the first line will be better with cleary over Homer, and same for the third line) His internet connection was probably down when I was clamouring for Colton Orr. And I guess the other 53 years while he was off winning 4 stanley cups. Edited August 19, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 19, 2009 See NFM, that's the kind of jab that gets the thread off track. You big neener!! He deserves 2 minutes for instigating a thread derail. I was on-topic re Holland and Homer until NFM wrecked everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 2nd line could be a monster, two big guys with good hands being fed by Filppula. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 A Derek Boogaard in every slot, except a 4th line full of Aaron Boogaards. They need to prove themselves before getting promoted. Clutier in net. That was so 2008. Henry ford put wood spoked wheels on cars in 1916 because it was good enough in 1916. Wood spoked wheels won't cut it on a new Mustang GT. Kenney Holland iced a team filled a team with Euros way back in '08. Now Kenny and I agree that that recipe is outdated and Kenny is swinging the pendulum back towards NA players. Me and Kenny, Kenny and I. 2 peas in a pod. One day we went golfing and we got stuck in trafic on the way back. He was gonna make a move to get Brashear that day, but we got back too late. I keep telling him he should get a celphone and a better haircut. Ken Holland is such a close friend of mine that I now consider Holland my favorite country, that's how close we are. Outdated? By what....2 months? The two teams that made the Cup Finals the past two years haven't exactly been what you consider "tough." Interesting how you and Kenny are on the same page, yet Kenny initially was trying to bring back Hossa, Hudler and Sammy. What nationality are they again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 19, 2009 2nd line could be a monster, two big guys with good hands being fed by Filppula. Bertuzzi can pass the puck too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
