a partner for pasha and the mule

[11iscoming 1]

your not effective anymore, at least not at even strength.

pasha and the mule wern´t exactly great in the 2 games in stockholm, but they showed some glimpses and i wonder how good they could be if they had an effective third man on their line.

this is not meant as another homer bashing thread, it is just a thread about (thinking about) maximizing the outcome (pointwise) of their (pasha,mule) skills.

as i saw them play, i thought if they only had helm on their line, they would just be lethal, a hard working guy with incredible speed, good checking and soft hands. imo he would be the perfect fit. the hard working guy who wins the battles and gets the pucks to the magicians and occasionally chips one in by himself after perfect feeds from pasha.

i would prefer this about reuniting pasha and z, cause i think we have tho spread them to be succesful.

i know that it is unlikely that babs will do this, but i hope he will try it at least, then like what he sees and sticks to it.....one can have dreams

thoughts?

Edited October 5, 2009 by 11iscoming

[Finnish Wing 110]

The perfect partner for them is...

... MUSHA!

[thedatsyukian 7]

I'd love to see Leino with them.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I still think Fil should be a 2nd liner and Z and Dats should be back together - Homer on the 4th line, used as a PP specialist...

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen

Leino-Filppula-Bertuzzi

Cleary-Helm/Abdelkader-Williams

Holmstrom-Draper-Maltby

PP1

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Lidstrom-Rafalski

PP2

Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi

Ericsson-Kronwall (not gonna happen, but should) so in reality Williams-Kronwall

[Echolalia 2,961]

Your washed up boy Homer has more points than Datsyuk does right now, and more goals than Franzen.

I would like to see Homer Dats and Zetterberg back together

Franzen Filppulla Leino

Williams Cleary Bertuzzi

Whoever is the flavor of the week on the fourth line

Edited October 5, 2009 by Echolalia

[Guest lnvincible]

Your washed up boy Homer has more points than Datsyuk does right now, and more goals than Franzen.

...its been two games..?

[Buppy 1,720]

Homer was fine in the two games. He scored a goal with a great screen, had a few nice passes, and some good corner work.

And while even Meech would likely have some success playing with Pav and Mule, Helm would be ridiculous. He just isn't that good, and has no skills that would compliment either of those two. Most likely he would just get in the way.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Homer was fine in the two games. He scored a goal with a great screen, had a few nice passes, and some good corner work.

And while even Meech would likely have some success playing with Pav and Mule, Helm would be ridiculous. He just isn't that good, and has no skills that would compliment either of those two. Most likely he would just get in the way.

I agree that Helm is a bad idea - his style does not compliment them at all...

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

Put Bertuzzi out there. If he can't click with those 2 players, then he shouldn't be playing in the NHL anymore.

Teams would have a hard time containing him and Franzen.

[Finnish Wing 110]

I still think Fil should be a 2nd liner and Z and Dats should be back together - Homer on the 4th line, used as a PP specialist...

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen

Leino-Filppula-Bertuzzi

Cleary-Helm/Abdelkader-Williams

Holmstrom-Draper-Maltby

PP1

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Lidstrom-Rafalski

PP2

Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi

Ericsson-Kronwall (not gonna happen, but should) so in reality Williams-Kronwall

I'd like to see Leino getting some PP time as well.

[C-TownWing 0]

I still think Fil should be a 2nd liner and Z and Dats should be back together - Homer on the 4th line, used as a PP specialist...

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen

Leino-Filppula-Bertuzzi

Cleary-Helm/Abdelkader-Williams

Holmstrom-Draper-Maltby

PP1

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Lidstrom-Rafalski

PP2

Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi

Ericsson-Kronwall (not gonna happen, but should) so in reality Williams-Kronwall

Pretty close to what I'd say. My only tweaks to that would be to maybe move Franzen down to the 2nd line to at least keep some balance in the top 6. Either Leino or Cleary on that other wing.

Also, I'd consider Homer for the 3rd line so he's more insultated by people who can skate than he would be with just Draper. Leave him where he is on the PP as you did, because he's still the best at what he does there, but he has no business in the top 6 5-on-5.

[Finnish Wing 110]

your not effective anymore, at least not at even strength.

pasha and the mule wern´t exactly great in the 2 games in stockholm, but they showed some glimpses and i wonder how good they could be if they had an effective third man on their line.

this is not meant as another homer bashing thread, it is just a thread about (thinking about) maximizing the outcome (pointwise) of their (pasha,mule) skills.

as i saw them play, i thought if they only had helm on their line, they would just be lethal, a hard working guy with incredible speed, good checking and soft hands. imo he would be the perfect fit. the hard working guy who wins the battles and gets the pucks to the magicians and occasionally chips one in by himself after perfect feeds from pasha.

i would prefer this about reuniting pasha and z, cause i think we have tho spread them to be succesful.

i know that it is unlikely that babs will do this, but i hope he will try it at least, then like what he sees and sticks to it.....one can have dreams

thoughts?

I'm sorry... this just makes me laugh. : D

[stevkrause 1,247]

Pretty close to what I'd say. My only tweaks to that would be to maybe move Franzen down to the 2nd line to at least keep some balance in the top 6. Either Leino or Cleary on that other wing.

Also, I'd consider Homer for the 3rd line so he's more insultated by people who can skate than he would be with just Draper. Leave him where he is on the PP as you did, because he's still the best at what he does there, but he has no business in the top 6 5-on-5.

Understandable... a Leino-Filpulla-Franzen line would be pretty dynamic...

[hooon 1,089]

i love helm but... i do not see him being a first liner with pav and mule. The idea of the Pav-Z-Bert line sounds like it could be fun. I think babs will probably stick with what hes got for a while.

Its only 2 games, and its not like the wings didnt score goals in those games. Im more concerned about goalies and D at the moment.

[Stiffy 0]

...its been two games..?

Actually, it has been a lot longer, because this has been going on since last season and the playoffs. No bashing of Homer here, but to maximize the skills of our top six forwards and lines we need a change. For example, I am convinced that what Datsyuk needs is a super hard working line mate with hands who can be enough of a threat to take some attention away from him. This would open things up and keep the opposing team on their heels. Cleary is a perfect example of this kind of player. Whether Cleary or someone else, the point is to have someone with speed and hands who goes to the boards, to the net... everywhere, not just camped out in front of the net. With that the opposing team has to split their attention to some degree and then good things happen.

I don't see this as complicated. You have these amazing players like Dats, Hank and Mule, so why not compliment them in line combos that work on their skills and strengths? While every other team seems to build their lines around their stars the Wings seem fixated on diluting and spreading out our skill. Keep it simple.

[Guest micah]

Put Bertuzzi out there. If he can't click with those 2 players, then he shouldn't be playing in the NHL anymore.

Teams would have a hard time containing him and Franzen.

Yes please.

[Theophany 110]

Homer has been fine in the two games he's played. I see no reason to change a line that's been working.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Homer has been fine in the two games he's played. I see no reason to change a line that's been working.

By working, do you mean working us right out of a Stanley Cup and 2 games in Sweden? It's not hard to tell which player doesn't belong on the first 3 lines of the DETROIT RED WINGS. Tomas Holmstrom is old, slow, ineffective, and EXPENSIVE. I was starting to think that Mike Babcock was a good coach, but seeing him handle the Holmstrom Issue has changed that opinion for me. This is a no-brainer. Holmstrom OFF the first line. Helm ON. What have the Red Wings got to lose except more games and seeding in the playoffs? That's right, HHO'ers. We LOST last year. And we're LOSING this year. The Red Wings have a PROBLEM. It's TOMAS HOLMSTROM. How long can the HHO'ers fool themselves?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

By working, do you mean working us right out of a Stanley Cup and 2 games in Sweden?

There are 80 games until the Stanley Cup playoffs start. I don't think anybody has worked the REd Wings out of the Stanley Cup playoffs yet.

It's not hard to tell which player doesn't belong on the first 3 lines of the DETROIT RED WINGS. Tomas Holmstrom is old, slow, ineffective, and EXPENSIVE. I was starting to think that Mike Babcock was a good coach, but seeing him handle the Holmstrom Issue has changed that opinion for me. This is a no-brainer. Holmstrom OFF the first line. Helm ON.

I wouldn't mind giving it a shot but again your ridiculous biasedness against the guy is showing a bit beyond the deep end.

What have the Red Wings got to lose except more games and seeding in the playoffs? That's right, HHO'ers. We LOST last year. And we're LOSING this year.

We lost a lot less than 28 other teams in the NHL last year. Only 1 team beat us more. We lost the first 2 games. We have 80+ more chances to win games. Plenty of people are going to lose 2 games in a row this year.

Perspective.

The Red Wings have a PROBLEM. It's TOMAS HOLMSTROM. How long can the HHO'ers fool themselves?

Him scoring a goal in one of those 2 games is a problem when his linemates didn't score any? There are plenty of other problems these first two games of the Red Wings that do not include Tomas Holmstrom's age/prescence. That involves such things like goaltending and penalty killing for instances. Tomas Holmstrom is not a goalie, nor does he rarely kill penalties out there at any point of his career.

Your biasedness against him is way up on the ridiculous-o-meter.

[lets go pavel 2]

By working, do you mean working us right out of a Stanley Cup and 2 games in Sweden? It's not hard to tell which player doesn't belong on the first 3 lines of the DETROIT RED WINGS. Tomas Holmstrom is old, slow, ineffective, and EXPENSIVE. I was starting to think that Mike Babcock was a good coach, but seeing him handle the Holmstrom Issue has changed that opinion for me. This is a no-brainer. Holmstrom OFF the first line. Helm ON. What have the Red Wings got to lose except more games and seeding in the playoffs? That's right, HHO'ers. We LOST last year. And we're LOSING this year. The Red Wings have a PROBLEM. It's TOMAS HOLMSTROM. How long can the HHO'ers fool themselves?

I knew it was just a matter of time before you showed up ... you could smell it, couldn't you? Did Homer give up 4 goals and 5 goals the last 2 games? I don't remember seeing him in our crease. No, he isn't what he once was, but to suggest that Homer is the only problem, or even the main problem, is ridiculous. Give it a rest, dude ...

[Carman 387]

Homer needs to get out of the top 6. He can't forecheck, backcheck, cycle, and the only thing he can do is stay in front of the net. It's absolutely killing Franzen/Datsyuk in the offensive zone. They haven't had a good cycle yet, and it's because Homer is skating his heart out on the forecheck just to be 10 seconds late. Holmstrom is amazing on the Powerplay, that's it.

[11iscoming 1]

i´m not saying that helm is a first liner talent-wise, i know there are a lot of wings ahead of him for sure.

but why use all stars on one line? its much easier for the opponents to defend.

i like homer, but he is just a step to slow. keep him on the powerplay as already mentioned and play him on the 4th line 5 on 5. imo in the worst case helm would at least be as effective as homer.

helm-datsyuk-franzen

bertuzzi-zetterberg-cleary

(didn´t work to well in stockholm, but give them some games, it could work)

leino-filppulla-williams

(looked pretty good together, luck just wasn´t on their side)

maltby/eaves-draper-homer

ps: finnish wing have you been in stockholm last weekend?

[Jake Ryan 1]

I knew it was just a matter of time before you showed up ... you could smell it, couldn't you? Did Homer give up 4 goals and 5 goals the last 2 games? I don't remember seeing him in our crease. No, he isn't what he once was, but to suggest that Homer is the only problem, or even the main problem, is ridiculous. Give it a rest, dude ...

He certainly didn't contribute to not giving up 4 and 5 goals. It's not like he's some Selke candidate out there. Sucks that Datsyuk has to play with this cancer constantly. Mike Babcock is an absolute blind fool.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

He certainly didn't contribute to not giving up 4 and 5 goals. It's not like he's some Selke candidate out there. Sucks that Datsyuk has to play with this cancer constantly. Mike Babcock is an absolute blind fool.

Cancer? Now you're just being a drama queen.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Cancer? Now you're just being a drama queen.

The HHO is a hard thing to let go of. I know. It's easier to just throw your hand in the air and say "HOMER!!!!" every time he gets crosschecked in the back.