Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 The point of what I was saying was in reference to if the line could be kept together and how it would work with ppl coming back so me sayign Franzen isnt back until March when he could be back in January is irrelevant. Also, I do agree the Wings would be better with Filppula on the third line instead of the second but when Filppula is back and Williams and Franzen are out it would be very difficult to have Fils on the third line while keeping Draper - Helm - Eaves in tact as the fourth line. The only way that could be accomplished would be to move ABdelkader/Maltby/May/Miller up onto the third line. Ssee what I'm getting at? Obviously once everyone is back, whether that be January or March, the obvious move is to make the Draper - Helm - Eaves line our fourth. But we're talking about what happens when Filppula comes back...and then when Williams comes back. Get it? The context in which you stated Franzen would be back in March isn't the point. I was simply correcting the timeline for the sake of clairifying things with respect to his injury. As far as what the temporary lines are when only Filppula's back... well that's tough. Obviously someone will have to sit. Babs likes Filppula as a centre, so he might end up moving Helm to the 3rd line wing and having Filppula centre that line. That or he'll put all the lines in the blender. The big problem is that the chemistry might be ruined if that line is broken up for a few months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 The context in which you stated Franzen would be back in March isn't the point. I was simply correcting the timeline for the sake of clairifying things with respect to his injury. As far as what the temporary lines are when only Filppula's back... well that's tough. Obviously someone will have to sit. Babs likes Filppula as a centre, so he might end up moving Helm to the 3rd line wing and having Filppula centre that line. That or he'll put all the lines in the blender. The big problem is that the chemistry might be ruined if that line is broken up for a few months. The chemistry is exactly the problem. That's why I was saying the only way to maintain as much of the current chemistry as possible would be if Leino didnt work out long term on the second line. But even then it still screws with everything. I really think the bigger issue is goign to be when Williams comes back. Right now our third line is producing some poitns, they have great speed, forecheck like crazy, can defend and are probably our toughest line to play against in a lot of regards. When Williams comes back and most likely ends up as part of a third line combination we instantly lose a lot of those qualities. But if Franzen is able to come back sometime in january, right around when Williams makes his return, that would make the whole situation that much better. Instantly we could shift our current third line to our fourth and try to use Williams in a manner where his lazy defensive play doesnt hurt us. If he's matched with some scorers it might work out a ltitle better. In some ways I'd almost like to see lines like: Bertuzzi - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Leino - Zetterberg - Cleary Williams - Filppula - Franzen Draper - Helm - Eaves that way every line has a net pressence, a shooter and a passer. Then obviously it's a free for all come PP and PK time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted November 12, 2009 The chemistry is exactly the problem. That's why I was saying the only way to maintain as much of the current chemistry as possible would be if Leino didnt work out long term on the second line. But even then it still screws with everything. I really think the bigger issue is goign to be when Williams comes back. Right now our third line is producing some poitns, they have great speed, forecheck like crazy, can defend and are probably our toughest line to play against in a lot of regards. When Williams comes back and most likely ends up as part of a third line combination we instantly lose a lot of those qualities. But if Franzen is able to come back sometime in january, right around when Williams makes his return, that would make the whole situation that much better. Instantly we could shift our current third line to our fourth and try to use Williams in a manner where his lazy defensive play doesnt hurt us. If he's matched with some scorers it might work out a ltitle better. In some ways I'd almost like to see lines like: Bertuzzi - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Leino - Zetterberg - Cleary Williams - Filppula - Franzen Draper - Helm - Eaves that way every line has a net pressence, a shooter and a passer. Then obviously it's a free for all come PP and PK time. I like those lines but I'd switch Cleary for Franzen... I really like Cleary on the 3rd because of the grinding presence he provides and his ability to score with any linemates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManLuv4Clears 7 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Eaves showing a little chip on the shoulder side tonight too, I'm really starting to like this kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Eaves is a beauty. He's fast, physical, VERY responsible defensively, good on the PK and also, perhaps something which isn't recognsied as much as it should be, his shot is really underrated. Was pumped when I heard he signed here and am so glad he's found his role and that the fans are beginning to appreciate him as a player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Didnt like him at first because he wasnt skating and playing like a puss, and now he's skating his butt off, hitting everything, and getting chippy. Keep em together, lets go! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Eaves was a +1 in 13:08 minutes of ice time tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Eaves gets better and better each game. He's doing everything we hoped he would do. He's even bringing his physical game now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 My thoughts? Get a haircut! Actually, I'd had hoped Eaves would improve (most high draft picks at least have that), but I definitely would not have bet he would have been as productive so far as he has been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 I like those lines but I'd switch Cleary for Franzen... I really like Cleary on the 3rd because of the grinding presence he provides and his ability to score with any linemates. Yeah I guess you could switch Franzen and Cleary. Obviously my preference would be for Franzen to be in the top 6 but I just left them as is to make the point about chemistry. It's just a shame because anytime I look at any number of potential line combinations no matter where I fit Williams in I feel like the line will be slow, lazy and will turn the puck over....and I've been impressed with Williams production and play up until his injury. It's also s***ty that once FIl, Williams, and Franzen come back from injury we won't see too much of Maltby, Abdelkader, Miller, and May as I think they've all had their moments where they've looked good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 I was very excited when Holland picked up Eaves, I felt he would be the perfect success story... and so far my feelings have been warranted. I have the same feeling about Drew Miller. I think he's going to be another Success story. Where's the "Drew Miller Watch Thread"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 loving eaves too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icesurfer 75 Report post Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Eaves is the new Red Wings poster boy ......LOL. Homer-Datsyuk-Franzen is a line that will produce big time! Cleary-Zetterberg-Leino is a good skating line..... has done very well since Williams left the line..... In fact Cleary finally scored once Williams went down. Draper-Helm-Eaves..... The DHE Express line..... love the speed .. they should stay together no matter what. Wiliams-Filppula-Bertuzzi ...... The Fil Out Line ..... the line necessary to fill out the roster because Holland couldn't find anyone else better. We are going on the fourth year on having Filppula on this team. He is paid way too much for what he has contributed so far. I think he will forever be a "potentially" good player. If you look at players like Leino, Helm and Eaves and think what they will be like in four years..... who would you rather have? I will tell you one thing ..... all three of them after their first 3 years will have more shots at the net than Filppula! After 3 years and 1 month Filppula has geled with NO ONE! One of the factors I use to judge a lines effectiveness is how long can they keep the puck in the offensive zone. Right now the DHE Express line is by far the best at doing that. It is not uncommon to see them spend the entire 45 seconds in the offensive zone. Whatever line Williams was on it was one shot and 10 seconds and you are done. And also Bertuzzi had the same problem. And Filppula is forever making very bad passes..... because that is what he mostly does..... PASS! And Cleary-Zetterberg-Leino have been the second best line in keeping the puck in deep for longer period of time. Edited November 14, 2009 by Icesurfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted November 14, 2009 Found this post from last off-season... Eaves A bit hard to read but does go to show how good defensively he is. 10 games, 4 points and +5. I so hope he re-signs after the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 957 Report post Posted November 14, 2009 From what I've seen lines are gonna be freakin tuff once we have a healthy roster (good for the playoffs though, plenty of rested players on hand) Some players have looked really good and others have gone un noticed or noticed for the wrong reasons! Bertuzzi•Dats•Homer Leino•Z•Cleary Franzen•Flip•Abby/Williams Draper•Helm•Eaves/May/Maltby I think these lines makes us pretty scary, these still don't look right but I think our first lineis looking great, Z, Leino and Clears appear to have something as well. Last year Franzen and Flip had Awesome chemmy going in the playoffs so put them with Abby or Willy , all the while flipping mule, Bert and Leino around the horn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted November 14, 2009 I had a good feeling about Eaves right from the get-go. Maybe it was just the way Cleary worked out for us. I can see Eaves being a guy who works himself onto the 3rd line, even with a healthy line-up. He's RFA at the end of this season too, so I hope they choose to retain him. I can't see any reason they wouldn't. He's the exact kind of play the Wings need for the bottom 6 of their forward corps. Speed kills my friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 15, 2009 Plus one with an assist in 14:21 of ice time tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted November 15, 2009 Another solid game, love him. 8-2-1 with Eaves in the line-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted November 16, 2009 Another solid game, love him. 8-2-1 with Eaves in the line-up. Obviously he's riding the current hot streak but we've all got to admit, he's had his hand in some big plays for the Wings. I think we shoudl all be extremely happy with his play thus far Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 17, 2009 Obviously he's riding the current hot streak but we've all got to admit, he's had his hand in some big plays for the Wings. I think we shoudl all be extremely happy with his play thus far Definately. Hopefully he does turn into another Cleary as suggested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted November 20, 2009 -1 with 13:30 TOI against Dallas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 Updated for the last 2 games. At some point this season I'd like to see him get a few shifts on one of the top lines just to see if some of his old goal scoring touch is still there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted November 22, 2009 -1 with 13:30 TOI against Dallas He also had a team high SIX hits that game though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted November 22, 2009 How tall is Helm? Apparently he's 5'11 and Eaves is 6'0. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
