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#21 Donaldjr2448

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 07:07 PM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ November 16, 2009 - 07:33PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it makes perfect sense for the regular season, ties are stupid and serve no purpose...

HOWEVER

I HATE a team game being decided by individuals and I think there should be more incentive to winning the game the way it is suppose to be played... with that said, I think ALL games should be worth 3 pts and I think overtime needs to be tweaked....

If a tie after regulation - 4 on 4 for 5 minutes.
If a tie after the first OT - 3 on 3 for another 5 minutes.
If there is STILL a tie... then a SO - FOR REG SEASON ONLY - Playoffs - play until someone wins

Win in regulation or OT - 3pts
Win in SO - 2 pts
Loss in SO - 1 pt

grand total of 3 pts for every game, if you don't win it in reg or OT, you actually lose a pt you could have won in OT - more incentive to win in reg or OT


I agree with the OT like that! Forget the shootout! If it is still tied, then I could live with a tie! The shootout is pointless because a team could make or not make the playoffs based on something that has nothing to do with the playoffs!

I understand why the NHL brought the shootouts to the games because of the strike season. But the really need to reconsider the shootouts. Teams are being left out of the playoffs because they are not a good shootout team!


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Posted 16 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

I say if a game ends in a tie, Pittsburgh gets another point.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 07:41 PM

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 07:53 PM

Wait... to the OP

Are you suggesting that teams actually TRY to be tied at the end of the game because they have good shootout shooters?? So teams will purposely try NOT to win the game in regulation or overtime, due to the chance that they are better in the shootout one night?

I'd like a clearer explanation of this theory please....
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Posted 16 November 2009 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (hooon @ November 16, 2009 - 07:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait... to the OP

Are you suggesting that teams actually TRY to be tied at the end of the game because they have good shootout shooters?? So teams will purposely try NOT to win the game in regulation or overtime, due to the chance that they are better in the shootout one night?

I'd like a clearer explanation of this theory please....



I asked for the same thing... what a silly theory. Absolutely absurd.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 08:16 PM

Shootouts are the single greatest accomplishment of the NHL lockout... A game ending in a tie, no matter how good/entertaining it was, always left a bit of a sour taste.

I'm all for trying to improve and modify the points and/or overtime methods, but we can't go back to having ties. And in the end shootouts will be necessary because continuous OT during the season just can't be done because of TV schedules and such. Perhaps 3 on 3 continous OT would end games faster (after x amount of 4 on 4) but that would have to be experimented with.

One thing they need to do is increase the number of shooters to 5. Where did they get 3 from? Soccer does 5, International hockey does 5, AHL does 5... why did the NHL pick 3?

I'll never support shootouts in the playoffs however, nothing is better than a marathon playoff OT game.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 08:38 PM

Here's a radical thought: What about a 6 minute OT, with the first 3 minutes a powerplay for the home team and the second half for the away team?

EDIT: But you play the whole 6 minutes, so it's like a shootout, but with the whole team in play, more fitting with "team sport."

Of course, this would only be in the regular season because it's a bizarre, radical twist. But it might work.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 09:00 PM

I like shootouts, I like the 1-on-1 battles. I'd consider moving it to 5 shootout opps. IMO, 3 is just to little, but that's not too big of a deal.

The problem is the point system for losing in a shootout or overtime.

Why should you get rewarded for losing a game? You certainly aren't rewarded for losing in overtime during the playoffs.

Zero points for a loss in regulation, overtime, or a shootout, no ifs/ands/buts.
One points for a shootout win.
Two points for an overtime win.
Three points for a regulation time win.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 09:04 PM

I don't mind shootouts in the regular season, but would like to see a change in the point system. As long as shootouts stay the hell away from playoffs it's fine. Have to sacrifice a little tradition in order to expand the fan base.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 09:47 PM

I vote for a tag-team cage match instead -- Captains and one player of their choice!
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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE (hooon @ November 16, 2009 - 08:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait... to the OP

Are you suggesting that teams actually TRY to be tied at the end of the game because they have good shootout shooters?? So teams will purposely try NOT to win the game in regulation or overtime, due to the chance that they are better in the shootout one night?

I'd like a clearer explanation of this theory please....


I think what the poster was trying to say is that some teams play very conservatively in OT (or late in tied games). Trying not to lose, believing they have a better chance if they can get to the shootout.

Personally, I prefer ties. I'd go one 20 minute OT, 4 on 4. That much time and that much ice, I'd think you'd see fairly few ties. However, I'd settle for a 10 minute OT with the shootout, 2 points for a win, 0 for a loss. That at least would get teams to play with more intensity.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:29 PM

While i dont love the point system now, I really have not heard one suggestion that is BETTER than the current format. I'm all for extending OT to ten minutes and the shootout to 5 shooters. Some of these suggestions here (no offense folks) were just absurd. The system cannot be too confusing or it simply wouldnt work.

I do know this: When the wings ARENT playing, and I'm watching some 2 random teams play, I always get excited when it goes to the shootout. I know its not real hockey and not team hockey, etc. But it IS exciting to watch.
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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE (hooon @ November 16, 2009 - 11:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While i dont love the point system now, I really have not heard one suggestion that is BETTER than the current format. I'm all for extending OT to ten minutes and the shootout to 5 shooters. Some of these suggestions here (no offense folks) were just absurd. The system cannot be too confusing or it simply wouldnt work.

I do know this: When the wings ARENT playing, and I'm watching some 2 random teams play, I always get excited when it goes to the shootout. I know its not real hockey and not team hockey, etc. But it IS exciting to watch.



I too agree. I love watching OTHER Teams in the shoot out. I like when they go more then 5 skaters each side. It showcases the goaltenders. I love it.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (hooon @ November 16, 2009 - 11:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While i dont love the point system now, I really have not heard one suggestion that is BETTER than the current format. I'm all for extending OT to ten minutes and the shootout to 5 shooters. Some of these suggestions here (no offense folks) were just absurd. The system cannot be too confusing or it simply wouldnt work.

I do know this: When the wings ARENT playing, and I'm watching some 2 random teams play, I always get excited when it goes to the shootout. I know its not real hockey and not team hockey, etc. But it IS exciting to watch.


pretty much agreed with this post

and guys with the point system there is at the moment, you have to agree that the race for a playoff spot at the end of every season is very exciting and brings out great hockey

i'm not sure what/how i would change things.. i would probably keep it the way it is now. maybe extend the OT to 10 minutes

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:40 AM

I think they should play at least 20 min of ot before shootout if they wanna do the shootout, or at least 10 min of ot, shootout is always boring after pavel has done his move
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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:43 AM

I love shootouts... so entertaining... everyone stands up hoping to score a goal then hoping for a save I love them... whevener I see any game has gone to a shootout on nhl.com I always tune to it via gamecenter no matter who is playing.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 01:40 AM

QUOTE (Duck Guy @ November 17, 2009 - 12:43AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love shootouts... so entertaining... everyone stands up hoping to score a goal then hoping for a save I love them... whevener I see any game has gone to a shootout on nhl.com I always tune to it via gamecenter no matter who is playing.


I do the exact same thing smile.gif

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 02:05 AM

I'm sorry for the confusion, and my absence from the conversation.

I'm not meaning teams specifically go out and head for the tie.
What I do think is some of the lower ranked (desperate) teams do is go for the tie in close games, because it's a guaranteed 1 point, and possibility of 2. It'll get close, and it'll be nothing but a trap game till the shootout.

It turns the game into surviving 60 minutes for 1 point, then buying the second.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 02:16 AM

I never liked ties, but I never liked shootouts. It sucks that games are so close together, cuz honestly I see no reason why we should expect anything less than continuous OT til somebody scores.

Or we can get some middleground and go with something I suggested before, which is an extended overtime before shootout. 10 mins? 20 mins? Anything is better than 5.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 02:34 AM

So you people are saying you'd rather have ties than shootouts?

Why?

Ties are much more bullcrap than a shootout. I don't think anyone tells stories about how exciting the tie was the night before. The shootout is a quick way to handle ties during the regular season, as opposed to Sudden Death (which I know we'd all like) that would make games way to long throughout the season. If shootouts existed in the playoffs, they'd be retarded, but they don't. They don't decide the Stanley Cup, so why hate them?





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