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#41 KillerB14

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (toby91_ca @ December 2, 2009 - 08:50AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He doesn't technically have a history of suspensions simply because the NHL has let him get a away with a few things.....perhaps because he doesn't have a history of suspensions.


So you're just going to say it. Not back it up? It's that simple? Please do share all the things the league has allowed him to get away with.
But that's just me and I could be wrong. Maybe it's a terrible tragedy.

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:30 AM

QUOTE (Carman @ December 2, 2009 - 12:25AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Knee on knee's are always the fault of the aggressor. Ovechkin got beat, it wasn't intentional but he needs to back off on the hit. That's why he is getting suspended. You can't miss checks in the open ice like that and still try to make contact, it can end careers.


Ovechkin had no time to back off the hit. Gleason jumped as he was making contact. Again, Ovechkin never "still tried to make contact" He was set in his position the entire time. Never moved once.

Seems you just saying generic phrases about a knee on knee collision. Did you even see it? Or watch replays of it?
But that's just me and I could be wrong. Maybe it's a terrible tragedy.

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (KillerB14 @ December 2, 2009 - 11:23AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you're just going to say it. Not back it up? It's that simple? Please do share all the things the league has allowed him to get away with.

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 10:59 AM

QUOTE (KillerB14 @ December 2, 2009 - 01:22AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was incidental contact. After Ovechkin took his last stride he didn't change the position of his leg, it was already out there. Gleason tried to jump out of the way and jumped into Ovechkin's knee. Smart for either player? No.

This is entirely different then Laraque's. You can see Laraque raise his leg and stick it out to get Kronwall.

That's my opinion and I argued the same thing when it happened to Gonchar last year in the playoffs. His body position never changed. Maybe the two games is for the league saying don't lead into checks like that. I don't know.

I love everyone calling for blood because he's a superstar and they finally want something done to a superstar. I'd rather have the league wait to suspend a superstar when they actually do something wrong.

That check a couple games back when he got tossed, he hit the guy in the shoulder. The visor caused blood and made it look worse.

Most people are calling for his head. I'll go the other route.

I agree with you. I looked at the hit about 10 times, in slow-mo and all, and I thought that by no means was it a dirty play. Unfortunate for both players, yes. But like you said, his body positioning never changed, and you can tell by his skating stride, as well that he wasn't going after his knee. Not to mention, you can see him actually lead in with the shoulder, but his knee got there first.

Is he a little bit reckless? Yeah, maybe. But how many players in the NHL really play as hard as he does on a nightly basis? Not a lot. And I sure as hell wouldn't label him as a "dirty" player.


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Posted 02 December 2009 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (KillerB14 @ December 2, 2009 - 10:30AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ovechkin had no time to back off the hit. Gleason jumped as he was making contact. Again, Ovechkin never "still tried to make contact" He was set in his position the entire time. Never moved once.

Seems you just saying generic phrases about a knee on knee collision. Did you even see it? Or watch replays of it?


Thing is you cannot change the instinct of getting out of the way if a 230 pound guy is bearing down on you. No one in there right mind(Except Lindros) would just put his head down and take the hit, of course a player is going to try and avoid the hit. Ovechkin is not intentionally trying to injure, but it's yet another borderline play that could of ended his career or Gleason's. It's not hard to back out of open ice hits, he did not make any attempt to not lead and make contact with his opponent's knee. You cannot argue that, and that's what I mean when he still made contact.

If you carelessly use your stick, you get a penalty. You carelessly use your body, you have to accept the punishment. Knee to knee's can be avoided, it's not impossible to just bail out of a open ice collision. If your opponents head is up, you better anticipate him getting out of your way, and if you want to take the gamble of getting suspended or ending careers then you better hope to hell you make contact with his upper body. And before you say well you've never played hockey and I'm making it sound to easy, there is a damn good reason the same players keep causing the same knee to knee hits. Not every player commits to reckless and dangerous hits just usually the same cast of characters (Ulf Samuelsson in the past, Cooke and Ovechkin now) that played or play the game with almost reckless abandon.

I don't want Ovechkin to become Lindros, he has too much talent to be gamble his career in useless open ice hits in games against the damn Hurricanes in November. He needs to pick his spots physically, and understand that he needs to be on the ice scoring goals.

And I hate this because I love the physical aspect of the game, but knee to knee hits are as cheap as they get. If I have to sacrifice seeing a open ice collision to add a couple years onto a talented players career it's a no decision for me at least. I don't find injuries entertaining.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 07:27 AM

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 08:59 AM

This couldn't have gone in the same thread?

Also it was posted already.

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (KillerB14 @ December 1, 2009 - 09:22PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was incidental contact. After Ovechkin took his last stride he didn't change the position of his leg, it was already out there. Gleason tried to jump out of the way and jumped into Ovechkin's knee. Smart for either player? No.

This is entirely different then Laraque's. You can see Laraque raise his leg and stick it out to get Kronwall.

That's my opinion and I argued the same thing when it happened to Gonchar last year in the playoffs. His body position never changed. Maybe the two games is for the league saying don't lead into checks like that. I don't know.

I love everyone calling for blood because he's a superstar and they finally want something done to a superstar. I'd rather have the league wait to suspend a superstar when they actually do something wrong.

That check a couple games back when he got tossed, he hit the guy in the shoulder. The visor caused blood and made it look worse.

Most people are calling for his head. I'll go the other route.

Actually it seems like most people are saying it didn't look like he meant to hurt the guy, but he needs a wake up call.

That's hardly calling for his head.


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Posted 03 December 2009 - 11:28 AM

Was it malicious, no, was it avoidable yes, I compare this to a high stick (like some one above me) my problem with the suspension is this:

1. It comes when he can not play anyway, he is suspended when he is too unhealthy to play. WEAK! To me that is like suspending a Pitcher in baseball for 4 games. WTF is the point!
2. It was for the wrong hit.

As I said I think of this one as similar to a high stick, it was a careless hit. He got his leg out before Gleason moved, and never took it back. That to me is more like having your stick in the air and not seeing the guy coming around the net and pop you smack him with your blade right on the chin. Intentional or not it is 2 min 4 if blood. Now the potential for serious injury is greater in this instance than the high stick, but depth of injury is not a reason for higher penalty in the NHL unless it is blood on a high stick.

Was there intent to hurt Gleason? I don't think so, so therefore for this hit the on ice call was enough penalty to me.

The boarding hit last week, now I thought he should have been suspended for. That was far more of an egregious act than the knee on knee hit.


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Posted 03 December 2009 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE (Opie @ December 3, 2009 - 12:28PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was it malicious, no, was it avoidable yes, I compare this to a high stick (like some one above me) my problem with the suspension is this:

1. It comes when he can not play anyway, he is suspended when he is too unhealthy to play. WEAK! To me that is like suspending a Pitcher in baseball for 4 games. WTF is the point!
2. It was for the wrong hit.

As I said I think of this one as similar to a high stick, it was a careless hit. He got his leg out before Gleason moved, and never took it back. That to me is more like having your stick in the air and not seeing the guy coming around the net and pop you smack him with your blade right on the chin. Intentional or not it is 2 min 4 if blood. Now the potential for serious injury is greater in this instance than the high stick, but depth of injury is not a reason for higher penalty in the NHL unless it is blood on a high stick.

Was there intent to hurt Gleason? I don't think so, so therefore for this hit the on ice call was enough penalty to me.

The boarding hit last week, now I thought he should have been suspended for. That was far more of an egregious act than the knee on knee hit.

In terms of the suspension coming at a time when he can't play anyway.....you can add me to the list that think it's quite possible that he was faking, or at least making his injury look worse than it was. Based on the way things looked on the ice, he looked to be in a lot of pain and he had to be helped off......then he practices the next day.


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Posted 03 December 2009 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (toby91_ca @ December 3, 2009 - 11:43AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In terms of the suspension coming at a time when he can't play anyway.....you can add me to the list that think it's quite possible that he was faking, or at least making his injury look worse than it was. Based on the way things looked on the ice, he looked to be in a lot of pain and he had to be helped off......then he practices the next day.


He was on the ice for like five minutes. He skated a bit, took a couple shots, then walked off the ice.

Have you ever been hit in the knee before at high speeds? It is a *****.





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