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#1 tdinc

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:54 PM

its that simple

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 05:55 PM

So what's the deal with the guys we picked up? It seems that Dombrowski was aiming more for quantity than quality, but I will admit I don't know much about the folks heading here.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 06:22 PM

There's a good analysis here.

I agree that things could turn out well for the Tigers if Scherzer and Austin Jackson pan out (the Yankees obviously didn't think the latter would) and the Tigers can resign Verlander in a couple years (a bigger if after this trade). I wish they could have held out one more year, because several of the bad contracts are up after 2010 (Robinson, Willis, and Bonderman--although Bondo is more unlucky than bad).

But Granderson is still the type of player that you don't trade. He's a star in Detroit and a big part of the community. He'll be just another cog in New York. After trading Maybin and Jurrjens, I'm not sure the fans will forgive this one.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 06:59 PM



http://www.freep.com...nderson-Jackson

INDIANAPOLIS — From all indications, the Detroit Tigers have agreed to a three-team deal in which they’d send centerfielder Curtis Granderson to the Yankees and right-hander Edwin Jackson to Arizona.

The trade would reduce the Tigers' payroll by millions for the next few years. According to foxsports.com and cbssports.com, the deal would bring the Tigers the following four players, all young, low-priced and years away from free agency:

• Arizona right-handed starting pitcher Max Scherzer. In his first full big-league season, Scherzer went 9-11 with a 4.12 ERA. He throws hard -- 95-96 m.p.h. with movement. The Diamondbacks have had concerns about his durability and his ability to develop a third pitch to go with his fastball and change-up.

• Yankees left-handed reliever Phil Coke. He struggled with home runs this season: 10 allowed in his 60 innings. He was the Yankees’ No. 1 lefty reliever early, then fell behind Damaso Marte.

• Yankees minor league centerfielder Austin Jackson. He has never played in the majors, but he played this year at the top level of the minors, Triple-A. Jackson, who bats right-handed, has yet to develop as a power hitter. Would the Tigers play him regularly in center next season as a rookie?

• Arizona left-handed reliever Daniel Schlereth. His stuff is tremendous: a fastball up to 94 m.p.h., and a curve described as knee-buckling. At times, he has struggled to command his fastball.

The trade hadn’t been announced as of 3 p.m., apparently because Arizona officials hadn’t completed a review of medical records of the players they’d receive. In addition to Jackson, Arizona reportedly would receive right-handed pitcher Ian Kennedy from the Yankees.

Tigers management believes it must reduce the payroll for next season in part because the club will be hit anew by the economic woes of Detroit and Michigan.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 07:05 PM

young talent is unpredictable. Granderson was part of the nucleus of the Tigers, thats like letting go a Z or dats.
I am still in shock, and I cannot believe there is not a bigger uproar. sad.gif

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 07:22 PM


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Posted 08 December 2009 - 07:27 PM

I am not amused.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 08:17 PM

I want to murder D.D right now! HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU TRADE YOUR STAR OUTFIELDER! (mags is a shmuck, he doesn't count until he can play everyday, earn that stupid $18million bonus he got last season!)

I really hope this works out for the best. They picked up a lot of unproven talent today. I just hope its a rebuilding year. We will be shedding some much needed fat after this season. Big off season next year?

I wish curtis the best of luck, and success on a personal level.... his team can dive straight into the ground, right on to hell and i could careless.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (rage @ December 8, 2009 - 05:22PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Seems like a nice kid. The Yankees talk of him like the Tigers used to talk of Cameron Maybin. Look at the bright side--if he turns out, maybe the Tigers will ship him back to the Yankees once he hits his prime.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Williams29fan @ December 8, 2009 - 08:17PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want to murder D.D right now! HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU TRADE YOUR STAR OUTFIELDER! (mags is a shmuck, he doesn't count until he can play everyday, earn that stupid $18million bonus he got last season!)

I really hope this works out for the best. They picked up a lot of unproven talent today. I just hope its a rebuilding year. We will be shedding some much needed fat after this season. Big off season next year?

I wish curtis the best of luck, and success on a personal level.... his team can dive straight into the ground, right on to hell and i could careless.

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your not the only one, but if it was a rebuilding year why would he trade away probably the two of the top 5 on the team?

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 08:46 PM

i understand the frustration but I am not surprised in this move. Granderson & Jackson were probably the only players who had value in the market.

What else did you want the Tigers to do?? Last year was a fluke and the tigers had no business getting that close to a playoff spot. Do you really think this team would be better? That the divison wouldnt be better?



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Posted 08 December 2009 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ December 8, 2009 - 08:46PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i understand the frustration but I am not surprised in this move. Granderson & Jackson were probably the only players who had value in the market.

What else did you want the Tigers to do?? Last year was a fluke and the tigers had no business getting that close to a playoff spot. Do you really think this team would be better? That the divison wouldnt be better?


It is still Dombrowski's fault for even putting the Tigers in a position to have to trade Curtis. There is so much dead, expensive weight on this team and thanks to Dombrowski handing out pathetic contracts, we no longer have the face of the franchise.
 
 
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (GoWings1905 @ December 8, 2009 - 08:57PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is still Dombrowski's fault for even putting the Tigers in a position to have to trade Curtis. There is so much dead, expensive weight on this team and thanks to Dombrowski handing out pathetic contracts, we no longer have the face of the franchise.


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Posted 08 December 2009 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ December 8, 2009 - 08:46PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i understand the frustration but I am not surprised in this move. Granderson & Jackson were probably the only players who had value in the market.

What else did you want the Tigers to do?? Last year was a fluke and the tigers had no business getting that close to a playoff spot. Do you really think this team would be better? That the divison wouldnt be better?


They have a lot of dead weight in pitching thanks to DD. That's where all the money is going. To pitchers that don't even play.

And trading Granderson and Jackson who make nearly nothing compared to our pitching roster that can't even pitch in the bigs.

It's a joke. I realize that they couldn't trade Willis, Bonderman, Robertson, etc, but come on.....Jackson!!!

We needed to hold on to him. I would rather see Granderson go than Jackson. Granderson strikes out a lot and is probably overrated in all honesty.

And I think it's unacceptable to trade your All-Stars to the Yankees, much less any roster player to the damn Yankees. I hate them. This is just unacceptable.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ December 8, 2009 - 08:46PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i understand the frustration but I am not surprised in this move. Granderson & Jackson were probably the only players who had value in the market.

What else did you want the Tigers to do?? Last year was a fluke and the tigers had no business getting that close to a playoff spot. Do you really think this team would be better? That the divison wouldnt be better?


And another thing timothy, I don't agreed w/ the bolded part at all.

The Tigers were playing well enough all year to win the division. It was their fault they blew it towards the end, but to say they had no business getting that close to a playoff spot is just ridiculous.

They blew it in the end, plain and simple. They had every right to be that close.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 07:39 AM

QUOTE (rage @ December 8, 2009 - 10:15PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And another thing timothy, I don't agreed w/ the bolded part at all.

The Tigers were playing well enough all year to win the division. It was their fault they blew it towards the end, but to say they had no business getting that close to a playoff spot is just ridiculous.

They blew it in the end, plain and simple. They had every right to be that close.

dude, neither team in the twins and the tigers got to 90 wins. That almost never happens with a divison winner. What did the Twins do in the playoffs?? Oh yeah, got swept right out. Face it neither team deserved to be in the playoffs and sadly 1 team did.

Do you really think those tigers minus Polanco, Rodney, Lyon would be as good as the 2009 team. Oh and if they had the same season this year as last, they probably should be 5+ games out in the divison race.



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Posted 09 December 2009 - 11:52 AM

The Central is so terrible that even taking Grandy, Jackson, Polanco, and maybe Lyon, Rodney, and Laird out of the lineup still doesn't necessarily remove the Tigers from contention. I'm not saying it's likely the Tigers win the division, but it's not like anyone else has improved.

I like Jackson a lot, but I can see that move making sense. The Tigers might be convinced his great first half was something he can't do with consistency and traded him when he was at the peak of his value. And Arizona absolutely got fleeced in this deal.

But trading Granderson is like the Wings trading Draper 10 years ago. Both were very good players, but their value extends well beyond the game to the fans and the community and doesn't translate in a trade.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 12:41 PM

I'm not sure the Tigers are any better than the Royals or Indians now.

No depth in the starting rotation, no bullpen (assuming one or both of Lyon and Rodney leave) and one legitimate bat in Cabrera.

The White Sox have put together a solid off-season and have Peavy for an entire year now. They are the only team that can give the Twins a run for the division.


 
 
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 02:39 PM

I don't mind trading Edwin Jackson - I think it's most likely that his excellent 2009 season was a one-shot deal and we traded him at the height of his value. Granderson, on the other hand......never been so upset to see a Tiger leave. Seems silly to have a "Who's Your Tiger?" advertising campaign (which was wildly successful, IMO) and then trade the guy who everyone picks. It sucks even worse that he's going to the Yankees. And we get back from the Yankees a guy who might be as good as Granderson eventually. Or might not.

One thing's for sure, it doesn't make us better for 2010.
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Posted 10 December 2009 - 06:46 PM

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I don't mind trading Edwin Jackson - I think it's most likely that his excellent 2009 season was a one-shot deal and we traded him at the height of his value. Granderson, on the other hand......never been so upset to see a Tiger leave. Seems silly to have a "Who's Your Tiger?" advertising campaign (which was wildly successful, IMO) and then trade the guy who everyone picks. It sucks even worse that he's going to the Yankees. And we get back from the Yankees a guy who might be as good as Granderson eventually. Or might not.

One thing's for sure, it doesn't make us better for 2010.

I find it hard to question DD with the moves he has made and the success he has achieved with the Tigers organization but IMO he better get this one right. Getting Polanco, trading Joyce for Jackson, drafting Verlander, Granderson, Porcello, not trading away Inge, getting Cabrera...the list goes on and on with what he has done for this team and I think the tigers were getting a bit stale, they were too loyal to a lot of Tigers who in fairness, should be gone (Ordonez, Robertson).

In other words this trade and future trades this offseason are going to either earn him praises or get him fired. 2010 is a wash with all the young talent but 2011 this team better compete for the divison title.






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