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[Opie]

I understand a lot gets lost in just pure text based forms of comunication, but I really doubt anyone would honestly think I was serious. I was making a point.




1) Bolded part= Wing's desire... not Grigs. He owed the Wing's virtually nothing. They did not help with his devlopment and he did not ask them to draft him. Is it unfortunate how things worked out? Yes, but he is a man in his young 20s who already has had to face extreme adversity, and has too feed a struggling family. His family was in poverty, would you want to spend a few years away from them making 80k a year before making it big?

So let me get this straight, if you were presented with the opportunity to play hockey in the NHL for one of the original, and best teams, and playing for them would mean you would have to work to earn it, you would rather stay where you are comfortable.

There are two ways to achieve your goals, have them handed to you and work for them!

If his lifelong dream was to play in Russia then why sign with Detroit. (Edit:) Iif he needed to stay there he should have not signed the contract, contrary to what you think once he signed the contract he did in deed owe something to Detroit!

Sorry I offended you Grigs, won't let it happen again! (I know you are not him, I am being sarcastic!)

Edited by Opie, 15 December 2009 - 07:18 PM.

[Hockeytown0001]

Another prima donna who didn't want to have to work to earn his way in the NHL. Good riddance.

[Shady Ultima]

While 80k USD is indeed more than decent pay, 40k USD is NOT 4 million SEK. It's not even 300k SEK

I'll take your word on that, but is 300k/year not decent money over there?

[CaliWingsNut]

I'll take your word on that, but is 300k/year not decent money over there?

In today's economy with what the US Dollar has sunk to.... no.

[daniel1]

I'm sure its not just the AHL which is causing his issues. Maybe he's having a hard time adjusting to life in the USA away from Sweden. Hopefully he gets his head straightened out.

Or maybe he misses his mommy, his teddy bear and his rubber ducky. Give me a F'ing break! He's not a 12 yr old at summer camp, he has a chance to make millions if he perseveres and shows a little backbone and determination. If he's that much of a ***** that he has to run home to mamma when he faces a little adversity then he can join Ryno in the soup kitchen line. I sure wouldn't make excuses for him though - suck it up buttercup, life is hard, wear a helmet.

[evilmrt]

I'd have left, too. Detroit is like a retirement home for old players with declining value today. Holland and Babcock hold onto guys like Draper, Holmstrom, and Maltby until they die. I don't mind letting a hall of famer like Yzerman play one or two years too long, because he's a fricking legend. But these other guys have to go and make room for the kids. Otherwise, this kind of stuff should be expected. I wouldn't want to waste away in the Red Wings ORGANIZATION when I could play for the New York Islanders or Florida Panthers or some team that embraces youth.

On one hand, I agree with you here. Maltby should have been gone in the last off-season, and Drapes should be gone after this season....but its not going to work out like that. Had Maltby (and maybe Drapes?) retired, could we have kept Hudler? I'd like to think so.

Anyhow, this is all pointless when talking about Axelsson. He has no backbone, no maturity, and wouldn't have stayed even if the Wings got rid of the geezers. The guy has a history of acting like a spoiled little kid, and this is just a continuation of that. Good riddance. Maybe the Wings' scouting team should take character into account more often, though.

[eva unit zero]

Say hi grigs for me on the chump side!

Did Axelsson suffer a near-fatal car crash that caused him to go through extended rehab just to be able to walk again, let alone skate or compete for an NHL job? Grigs did.

[Detroit # 1 Fan]

Wont take his licks and work, GTFO. I hate these kids who have all the talent to make it, but not the desire.

[AtomicPunk]

The road to the NHL is littered with Dicks. I don't feel sorry one bit.

[EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

So let me get this straight, if you were presented with the opportunity to play hockey in the NHL for one of the original, and best teams, and playing for them would mean you would have to work to earn it, you would rather stay where you are comfortable.

There are two ways to achieve your goals, have them handed to you and work for them!

If his lifelong dream was to play in Russia then why sign with Detroit. (Edit:) Iif he needed to stay there he should have not signed the contract, contrary to what you think once he signed the contract he did in deed owe something to Detroit!
Sorry I offended you Grigs, won't let it happen again! (I know you are not him, I am being sarcastic!)

In reply to the first bolded part: Did I ever say I would personally do that? No? Then quit throwing words in my mouth. If you really think that is what I said, or that was my arguement then your reading comprhension skills are on par with my next door neighbor with downs syndrome.

Bolded part two: Nowhere did I say it was his lifelong dream, but unlike your status of being a virgin, things often change. You neglected to mention that at a young age, he almostf****** died, and has to bascially support his entire family. Is it really that unfathomable to choose to stay in a league that helps you in essentially every aspect of life (Pay, Familiarity, close to family, could actually socilize with people rather than wandering around not knowing a lick of english)?

As for his contract, I do not know the details on hand, but I assumed that he did not recieve full payment of his contract. It's essentially as if he quit a job, something that normal people do each and everyday. The Wing's did not spend money to smuggle him like Fedorov, and he played a handfull of games in North America. It is not as if a great deal of resources were used on this guy.

Bolded part three: Indeed is one word.

[cupforwings]

I'd have left, too. Detroit is like a retirement home for old players with declining value today. Holland and Babcock hold onto guys like Draper, Holmstrom, and Maltby until they die. I don't mind letting a hall of famer like Yzerman play one or two years too long, because he's a fricking legend. But these other guys have to go and make room for the kids. Otherwise, this kind of stuff should be expected. I wouldn't want to waste away in the Red Wings ORGANIZATION when I could play for the New York Islanders or Florida Panthers or some team that embraces youth.

You really think it would be a good idea to let all these young kids just come into the NHL? Why do you think the Islanders and Panters suck so bad? It's because they don't have the assets to develop their youth. Thats why Phoenix is doing good this year, because they put their young kids in the minors and went and got some "old retirement guys"... Draper is having a great year this year and is more effective then anybody from Grand Rapids would be...Axelsson is nothing but a little baby who doesn't want to work to get to the NHL.

[haroldsnepsts]

I'd have left, too. Detroit is like a retirement home for old players with declining value today. Holland and Babcock hold onto guys like Draper, Holmstrom, and Maltby until they die. I don't mind letting a hall of famer like Yzerman play one or two years too long, because he's a fricking legend. But these other guys have to go and make room for the kids. Otherwise, this kind of stuff should be expected. I wouldn't want to waste away in the Red Wings ORGANIZATION when I could play for the New York Islanders or Florida Panthers or some team that embraces youth.

The retirement home in Detroit made it to game 7 of the cup finals, won the Cup, and made it to the conference finals the last three years.

But how's that working out for those youth-movement franchises?

[titanium2]

But how's that working out for those youth-movement franchises?

Ask Kovalchuk. He just can't get enough of that world of coca cola.

[Hockeytown0001]

In today's economy with what the US Dollar has sunk to.... no.

Not sure I'd agree. $300,000 is still a big sum of money to tons of people in the US, and there would be lots of people who are struggling, especially around Christmas, willing to do crazy things to make that much in a year. If I was an NHL rookie with a base salary of $300,000 for my first year, I'd be thrilled. As opposed to players who say that upwards of $5-8 million dollars a year isn't enough.

As for whoever said that playing on a youthful team with next to no veteran leadership who have won the Cup 4 times and know what it takes to win with invaluable knowledge to pass on is better than starting your career with a team WITH that leadership....

[Opie]

Did Axelsson suffer a near-fatal car crash that caused him to go through extended rehab just to be able to walk again, let alone skate or compete for an NHL job? Grigs did.

WOW talk about late to the party, go read my post about how all of those things were said both before and after the accident!

In reply to the first bolded part: Did I ever say I would personally do that? No? Then quit throwing words in my mouth. If you really think that is what I said, or that was my arguement then your reading comprhension skills are on par with my next door neighbor with downs syndrome.

hahah insults good way to back up your argument, but if you are agreeing with his actions or even supporting them you in some way shape or form see them as legit actionsI infered you would act the same. Sorry I infered you would do it. But that does raise a question, why are you offended I assumed you would do what he did? If his actions (based off of family and other reasons you stated) are legit why would you doing them be a bad thing, or me saying you would be offensive?

Bolded part two: Nowhere did I say it was his lifelong dream, but unlike your status of being a virgin, things often change. You neglected to mention that at a young age, he almostf****** died, and has to bascially support his entire family. Is it really that unfathomable to choose to stay in a league that helps you in essentially every aspect of life (Pay, Familiarity, close to family, could actually socilize with people rather than wandering around not knowing a lick of english)?

Again read the quote were I stated everything I said about him was stated before and after the accident. I empathize with the guy, the accident did end his chances, but before the accident ever happened he was considered light in the effort and heart departments and that is what I questioned.
Yet my reading skills need help?
Virgin, hahaha, please, any how insults never help your argument, they only make it look like you are frustrated from losing an argument.

I stand by my eval, he was before the accident and after not the most dedicated or hard working hockey player.

As for his contract, I do not know the details on hand, but I assumed that he did not recieve full payment of his contract. It's essentially as if he quit a job, something that normal people do each and everyday. The Wing's did not spend money to smuggle him like Fedorov, and he played a handfull of games in North America. It is not as if a great deal of resources were used on this guy.

First comparing professional athletes to regular working people is laughable. Because so much that professional athletes deal with on a daily basis relates to the working folks.

How many people quit their jobs 2 steps away from their dream job. How many of them volunteer to leave their home to go that far away, only to bail (my assessment of **** here) when times get tough.

One of my best friends quit college a semester away from graduating you know what I call him when we talk about it, a chump. Doesn't mean I hate the guy, hell I love him like a brother. But now he ******* about not be able to get jobs in that field, how none of the jobs he gets are fulfilling, blah, blah, blah and I say the same thing to him, you quit on it, you deal with it!

Bolded part three: Indeed is one word.

My bad! LOL! Is this the best you had, calling me retarded, a virgin, and pointing out my spelling mistakes (I have enough of them on here daily to keep you busy if you really want!) really strong arguments.


Now if I had dogged on Grigs for the way he should up to GR, then you all could have said something. But that was not my reference you all assumed it was, Grigs coming over and not living up to expectations would be the fault of the accident, having a poor work ethic from the jump has nothing to do with the accident!

Now I am done derailing this thread with bad jokes/insults about my virginity, mental capabilities, spelling and grigs.

If you want to go back to talking about Axelsson fine, but I am done defending what was a known opinion of the kid before he ever got in the car accident, just because he had a horrific ordeal doesn't mean his back story changed any!

Edited by Opie, 16 December 2009 - 10:20 AM.

[ManLuv4Clears]

In reply to the first bolded part: Did I ever say I would personally do that? No? Then quit throwing words in my mouth. If you really think that is what I said, or that was my arguement then your reading comprhension skills are on par with my next door neighbor with downs syndrome.

Bolded part two: Nowhere did I say it was his lifelong dream, but unlike your status of being a virgin, things often change. You neglected to mention that at a young age, he almostf****** died, and has to bascially support his entire family. Is it really that unfathomable to choose to stay in a league that helps you in essentially every aspect of life (Pay, Familiarity, close to family, could actually socilize with people rather than wandering around not knowing a lick of english)?

As for his contract, I do not know the details on hand, but I assumed that he did not recieve full payment of his contract. It's essentially as if he quit a job, something that normal people do each and everyday. The Wing's did not spend money to smuggle him like Fedorov, and he played a handfull of games in North America. It is not as if a great deal of resources were used on this guy.

Bolded part three: Indeed is one word.

Do you find any irony in the bolded posts above?

You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

[goredwings]

I really hope you go through a near lethal car accident that makes you practically immobile for several months, and then even attempt to do anything remotely physical two years later. I'll be the guy laughing at you.

This is just a little harsh don't you think. Please people he is a kid who wants the NHL and thinks he is good enough to step in there right away. Maybe if the origination would not subject all their top prospects like this they might learn something from the Vets at the NHL level that could get their heads on straight. Lord know with the amount of injuries the team has had this year and the number of players leaving in the off season he could have been given a shot to stick with the club out of camp maybe it would have been a different story.

Please refrain from wishing harm on another human because he does not want to play Hockey in North America or at all it's just a game.

[EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

This is just a little harsh don't you think. Please people he is a kid who wants the NHL and thinks he is good enough to step in there right away. Maybe if the origination would not subject all their top prospects like this they might learn something from the Vets at the NHL level that could get their heads on straight. Lord know with the amount of injuries the team has had this year and the number of players leaving in the off season he could have been given a shot to stick with the club out of camp maybe it would have been a different story.

Please refrain from wishing harm on another human because he does not want to play Hockey in North America or at all it's just a game.

Read Opie's first post, then re-read my post. I am 99% sure you miscomprehended who that post was intended for.

[Opie]

This is just a little harsh don't you think. Please people he is a kid who wants the NHL and thinks he is good enough to step in there right away. Maybe if the origination would not subject all their top prospects like this they might learn something from the Vets at the NHL level that could get their heads on straight. Lord know with the amount of injuries the team has had this year and the number of players leaving in the off season he could have been given a shot to stick with the club out of camp maybe it would have been a different story.

Please refrain from wishing harm on another human because he does not want to play Hockey in North America or at all it's just a game.

Pretty sure that part was intended for me!

EDIT: Ezbake already took care of this!

Edited by Opie, 16 December 2009 - 12:04 PM.

[Zata fan 40]

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