Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I do not see much of a difference when comparing both Aside from the fact you are comparing a player that has completed his tour of duty with the Wings and the other is just starting. Not enough data on Leino yet to make that assessment. Personally, I wasn't disappointed with Boyd. As GMR mentioned, he had a solid playoffs in 02. I'm not disappointed in Leino because I didn't expect him to net 20+ goals, unlike many posters here. Ville is playing worse than I expected, amazingly, but I'm still not disappointed. Maybe if he had signed a long term contract I would feel different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 uhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Seriously? We're really comparing Devereaux's stinker of an NHL career to Leino? Something of note: DEVEREAUX WAS TAKEN 6TH OVERALL... and never scored more than 9 goals or 27 points (and he played full seasons to get to those impressive figures).... Boyd's career numbers: a stunning 0.28 ppg... even though Leino is struggling massively, he's STILL above that ppg total (0.32)..... I really don't know how a 6th overall bust who's career is over can be compared to an undrafted guy who's best years are ahead of him... come on.... Wow, I did not know that he was drafted 6th overall! Thank you for that (sincere thanks), that is amazing. God, I actually learned something on LGW today. You are dead on - this makes the comparison absurd. Hey, I know it was only one game, but for Ville to come off a benching and score was, I thought, a good sign the kid knows what he has to do. I see shades of Hudler in how Babs is dealing with him - the whole tough love thing. Honestly, I think a few more could use it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 isnt Leino still considered a rookie?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Boyd played well with Hull and Datsyuk in '02. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted January 3, 2010 this thread is garbo.Get your head outta your ass. first you hate bertuzzi then you love him, same old same old. lol ***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tr!PoD#19 524 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Couple of things here. #1 Leino was a 24 year old undrafted free agent last year. He had a great year in the AHL, and good camps, thus I think we expected too much out of him in general. #2 Ville is starting to turn it aroung a bit. GWG last game. #3 Give the guy more than 1/2 a season before comparing him to Boyd Deveraux...Deveraux played 4 seasons with the team...Leino has played half a year...Devereaux also had 2 seasons NHL experience before coming to Detroit...Leino has 1 season of North American experience... #4 Stacy Roest was much more disappointing to me then Devereaux, I never expected anything out of Devereaux. Roest was a Juniors STUD that performed quite well in Adirondak and never cut it with the Wings... #5 Leino was only really a dominant player in Finland once...every other year he was less than a point per game player. Long Story Short... Personally I always thought Devereaux was Boyd the Void... Leino still has time to show me something. He probably won't be the second liner I thought he would but I could see him as a 15-20 goal player as soon as next year. Now that he has his confidence back a bit I think he could start to produce more. I expect him to finish the year with 30 points if he can turn his play around. Don't give up on Leino so early in his career. Give him a shot before condemming him to Boyd the Void status. Expectations of him to come in and replace Hudler and win Rookie of the Year were to high. A solid 3rd liner with 40-50 points a season are not. Best post I've seen in a very long time. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I'll take Leino over Deverblow any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 this thread is garbo.Get your head outta your ass. first you hate bertuzzi then you love him, same old same old. lol ***. Whilst you're in here throwing about personal insults and not really backing up any of your points (not that Ive seen you make any) Im still waiting for a reply in this thread: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.ph...c=62221&hl= If you could do that, that would be great. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMICHdave 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 It is way too soon to be comparing Ville to Boyd Neverscores. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEEDMOREGRIT 12 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 AVOID THE BOYD!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 this thread is garbo.Get your head outta your ass. first you hate bertuzzi then you love him, same old same old. lol ***. What does Garbo have anything to do with it? Are you not a fan of hers or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Barry 230 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) btw deveraux will not play any game in this season, he got hurt at the spengler cup! Ahhhhhh! The heralded Spengler Cup. Much respect. Just being stupid, don't go getting all pissy. Edited January 3, 2010 by Marty Barry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Random Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Ahhhhhh! The heralded Spengler Cup. Much respect. Just being stupid, don't go getting all pissy. Edited January 3, 2010 by Random Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 this thread is garbo.Get your head outta your ass. first you hate bertuzzi then you love him, same old same old. lol ***. Who are you referencing to? I liked the fact Bert was here and I even welcomed him back with a "Bert and Ernie" avatar and a "welcome back bert" Seems like you do not even know what your talking about, so maybe you need to pull your head out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 "I did things Babs said I should. I got deep like he wants me to." Quotes like that disturb me. We're halfway through the season and he is just now getting it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted January 4, 2010 that quote is full of innuendo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) that quote is full of innuendo Hehe... ya I noticed that on the proof read. Gotta love quoting broken English. Edited January 4, 2010 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted January 4, 2010 I havnt read the whole thread, with that being said, Leino had MUCH bigger expectations coming in and basically told the red wings he was a scorer and wouldnt play in GR. Boyd seemed to play whatever role was given to him here and when he moved to Toronto. He was a 20 goal scorer in the OHL so what did you expect from him? He had a good year with dats and hull but who wouldnt! Oh wait...Leino pry wouldnt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Suck it Leino! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 Suck it Leino! esteef im not sure but i think thats the last NHL game he played in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 #4 Stacy Roest was much more disappointing to me then Devereaux, I never expected anything out of Devereaux. Roest was a Juniors STUD that performed quite well in Adirondak and never cut it with the Wings... This is definitely on. Roest was perhaps the best young grinder and also the biggest disappointment that the Wings have had in a long time. He was ridiculously fast and great on faceoffs, but for some reason his offensive dominance at lower levels simply didn't translate over to the NHL. He was still solid defensively and made for a good PKer, and was effective when asked to perform offensively, but never managed to earn a spot with a team's top forwards. He did have 50-point type of scoring in his second season in terms of points-per-minute, if you were to adjust it to a first-liner's time. Roest has been dominating the Swiss league the past six years with Rapperswil-Jona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 what line is he on right now? i cant remember but if hes on the 3rd and 4th line he'll be fine but anything above that he wont do good. thats my opinion on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 what line is he on right now? I guess tonight, Ville will be in the concession line... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 5, 2010 I guess tonight, Ville will be in the concession line... Zing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Leino played about 9 minutes tonight and did not register a shot on goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
