Stevie Y Datsyuk 2 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 When our lines start to shape up over the next few months (assuming Franzen returns in March), they could look something like this: Zberg - Dats - Holmer Franz - Filp - Cleary Bert - Helm - Eaves Abs - Drapes - Miller I think our 3rd and 4th lines could be the difference maker against a team like Chicago or San Jose. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Barry 230 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) When our lines start to shape up over the next few months (assuming Franzen returns in March), they could look something like this: Zberg - Dats - Holmer Franz - Filp - Cleary Bert - Helm - Eaves Abs - Drapes - Miller I think our 3rd and 4th lines could be the difference maker against a team like Chicago or San Jose. Exactly. With all the ice time (experience) they are getting right now, we could very well have a huge leg up on the competition. As stated before on other threads, I really think that this season's injuries could be a blessing in disguise. Only if we make the playoffs though. Thoughts? What the Hell did I do? That's a weird looking post. Edited January 3, 2010 by Marty Barry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 How you could possibly want Cleary in the top 6 rather than Bert is beyond me. I love Cleary but he's certainly a more capable roleplayer and Bert has a serious scoring touch when he gets on a roll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Barry 230 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Where the Hell is Maltby? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) I don't think Abby will be staying up. Also, Bertuzzi seems to have great difficulty establishing chemistry with other players, so I'd be hesitant to break up him Dats and Homer. They're finally looking good out there. I expect Babs to roll with something similar to this, although God knows it will change up on a regular basis: Bertuzzi Dats Homer Franzen Zetterberg Williams Cleary Filpulla Leino Draper Helm Eaves Edited January 3, 2010 by Echolalia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Filppula-Williams Draper-Helm-Eaves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I don't think Abby will be staying up. Also, Bertuzzi seems to have great difficulty establishing chemistry with other players, so I'd be hesitant to break up him Dats and Homer. They're finally looking good out there. I expect Babs to roll with something similar to this, although God knows it will change up on a regular basis: Bertuzzi Dats Homer Franzen Zetterberg Williams Cleary Filpulla Leino Draper Helm Eaves Close but Williams will be with Filppula and Cleary will be on Z's line. Bertuzzi Dats Homer Franzen Zetterberg Cleary Williams Filpulla Leino Draper Helm Eaves Leino will be in rotation with other players. Babs might put him on the 2nd line with Z in some cases and if he doesn't perform he'll be a healthy scratch for someone else. Sad to see Miller on that list. He's been great for us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty Barry 230 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I don't think Abby will be staying up. Also, Bertuzzi seems to have great difficulty establishing chemistry with other players, so I'd be hesitant to break up him Dats and Homer. They're finally looking good out there. I expect Babs to roll with something similar to this, although God knows it will change up on a regular basis: Bertuzzi Dats Homer Franzen Zetterberg Williams Cleary Filpulla Leino Draper Helm Eaves Echolalia: I don't think Abby will be staying up. Also, Bertuzzi seems to have great difficulty establishing chemistry with other players, so I'd be hesitant to break up him Dats and Homer. They're finally looking good out there. I expect Babs to roll with something similar to this, although God knows it will change up on a regular basis: Bertuzzi Dats Homer Franzen Zetterberg Williams Cleary Filpulla Leino Draper Helm Eaves Those look like good lines to me too. Echolalia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pavel Hossyukstrom 2 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I don't think Abby will be staying up. Also, Bertuzzi seems to have great difficulty establishing chemistry with other players, so I'd be hesitant to break up him Dats and Homer. They're finally looking good out there. I expect Babs to roll with something similar to this, although God knows it will change up on a regular basis: Bertuzzi Dats Homer Franzen Zetterberg Williams Cleary Filpulla Leino Draper Helm Eaves or 1st could be Bert Dats Mule we could call it the twin towers line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Leino or Miller will be on that 3rd line with Filppula and Williams. Leino has a contract for next year as well, so I think he has the edge. Abdelkader will definitely go down to play those big minutes there, as he doesn't develop being a 4th liner here. On of May, Maltby, Meech and Lebda will be gone. Probably May so we'll have Maltby, Meech/Lebda and Miller/Leino ready as healthy scratches. edit: That leaves us with: Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino/Miller-Filppula-Williams Draper-Helm-Eaves + Maltby, Miller/Leino Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Rafalski Ericsson-Lebda/Meech + Meech/Lebda I'd like to see Kronwall with Lidstrom and Stuart with Rafalski to get more balanced top4 on the defense. I assume Lilja won't be playing. Edited January 3, 2010 by Finnish Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I don't understand why people say we have such good bottom 6th depth, then want to have Filppula on the third line, diluting our top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 When our lines start to shape up over the next few months (assuming Franzen returns in March), they could look something like this: Zberg - Dats - Holmer Franz - Filp - Cleary Bert - Helm - Eaves Abs - Drapes - Miller I think our 3rd and 4th lines could be the difference maker against a team like Chicago or San Jose. Thoughts? I see where you're going with those lines. However, I would like to see Filp center Franzen and Bertuzzi. It may turn out to be total vanilla, or it may turn into something very difficult as hell to play against. I'm curious and want to see it. And I like the thought of Clears teamed up with The Nightmare on Helm St and All Hallows Eaves, that would be a scary line to play against and could provide some clutch secondary (tertiary?) scoring. The Wings are hanging in there despite the redonkulous amount of serious injuries and off season losses. Hopefully the returning guys will get their mid season legs quickly and provide a big spark to get into the playoffs and begin playing their best hockey right at playoff time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Williams-Filppula-Miller/Leino Eaves-Helm-Draper/Maltby/May Miller was fantastic for the Ducks in the playoffs last year, and unless Leino consistently works hard (he was Mr Invisable again last night) I cant justify Babs playing him over Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Williams-Filppula-Miller/Leino Eaves-Helm-Draper/Maltby/May Miller was fantastic for the Ducks in the playoffs last year, and unless Leino consistently works hard (he was Mr Invisable again last night) I cant justify Babs playing him over Miller. This posts says Wings have a lot of 3rd and 4th line depth. Not to mention Ritola will be a full time NHL player soon (he's been great) and Abby will be in the NHL next year, players will need to be moved. Good problem to have but I can't decide what Holland should do. That might be a new topic, but I've been trying to think of what Holland should do with all this depth we have. Looking at your lines, Wings have two 1st lines a 2nd line and a 3rd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 This posts says Wings have a lot of 3rd and 4th line depth. Not to mention Ritola will be a full time NHL player soon (he's been great) and Abby will be in the NHL next year, players will need to be moved. Good problem to have but I can't decide what Holland should do. That might be a new topic, but I've been trying to think of what Holland should do with all this depth we have. Looking at your lines, Wings have two 1st lines a 2nd line and a 3rd line. Like you said though, it's a good problem to have. Especially considering coming in everyone thought we'd have no depth. We ever get healthy we're going to give teams alot of problems. As far as the players good, as good as Homer and Malts have been this year I gotta believe there close to the end, and Ive liked him in his short stint so far but unless J-Will comes back and starts contributing he might be moved on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) in my opinion Miller MUST stay on this team once everyone is healthy...unless Leino comes alive... Abdelkater will sadly be sent down I think...but will have a permanent spot on the roster next season... Bertuzzi, Datsyuk, Holmstrom Franzen, Zetterberg, Cleary Williams, Filppula, Miller/Leino Helm, Draper, Eaves/Maltby/May/Miller/Leino and I am much more comforatable with Meech in our lineup than Lebda...but would also love to see more of Kindl or Janik Lidstrom, Rafalski Kronwall, Stuart Ericcson, Janik/Meech/Kindl/Lebda God Lebda stresses me out... Edited January 3, 2010 by robb himself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dertz.LoL! 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Leino-Filppula-Williams Draper-Helm-Eaves This. Don't separate Bert and Pav... Have you noticed that they have established an awesome chemistry in these past few weeks? Why would you put them on different lines... >_> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Wing Queen 154 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Williams-Filppula-Miller/Leino Eaves-Helm-Draper/Maltby/May Miller was fantastic for the Ducks in the playoffs last year, and unless Leino consistently works hard (he was Mr Invisable again last night) I cant justify Babs playing him over Miller. Like you said though, it's a good problem to have. Especially considering coming in everyone thought we'd have no depth. We ever get healthy we're going to give teams alot of problems. As far as the players good, as good as Homer and Malts have been this year I gotta believe there close to the end, and Ive liked him in his short stint so far but unless J-Will comes back and starts contributing he might be moved on. I agree with the main parts of the two statements above, and I feel we could have three different sets of lines based on each notion. With Leino and Williams: Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Williams-Filppula-Leino Eaves-Helm-Draper/Maltby/May Without Leino: Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Williams-Filppula-Miller Eaves-Helm-Draper/Maltby/May Without Leino and Williams: Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg/Filppula (Let them decide who plays center) Cleary-Helm-Eaves Draper-Abdelkader-Miller/Maltby/May Overall, I don't see the need for Babs to not make Leino a healthy scratch when he is not contributing at all, even if we are still taking a hit with his salary. For me, it costs more to have him on the ice producing less than it would to have him sit and have someone else in his place taking full advantage of the opportunity (i.e. Miller, who has shown more in his short time here so far). As for Williams, yes, he was good at the beginning of the season, but I feel he is expendable because the chemistry our current lines have is better as is without the addition of Williams and the readjustment necessary for him to gel with whatever line he ends up on, and to tell the truth, his absence has not been really noticeable. And while I know in all likelihood Abdelkader will be sent back to GR, I would love to see him remain up here because he has been one of the few guys to really show how hard he is working his ass off to make the most of the opportunity given to him while others are injured, and he makes his presence known on the ice each night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Holmstrom - Datsyuk - Bertuzzi Fillpulla - Zetterberg - Franzen Cleary - Abdelkalder - Helm May - Draper - Lilja Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Janik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevie Y Datsyuk 2 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 A lot of you have Dats, Z, Filp, and Helm as your 4 centers but I think Helm is way more valuable on that 3rd line. Filp is more than capable of handling the 2nd line. Maybe something like this: Zberg - Dats - Holmer Franzen - Filp - Bert Cleary - Helm - Eaves Leino/Miller - Drapes - Williams Before I had Abs on the 4th line but if everyone is healthy, he will most likely be sent down unfortunately... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 A lot of you have Dats, Z, Filp, and Helm as your 4 centers but I think Helm is way more valuable on that 3rd line. Filp is more than capable of handling the 2nd line. Maybe something like this: Zberg - Dats - Holmer Franzen - Filp - Bert Cleary - Helm - Eaves Leino/Miller - Drapes - Williams Before I had Abs on the 4th line but if everyone is healthy, he will most likely be sent down unfortunately... Point is Dats and Zetterberg haven't been producing together, in fact it's a waste of talent having them together (based on this season). However, Bert-Dats-Holmer have been unstoppable now they have chemistry and you do not want to break that up. Franzen-Z-Cleary is one of the most consistent lines in the NHL and have proven they can score at will. Again, you can't break that up. Flip is a capable 2nd line center and would be on any other team in the NHL, but Detroit has too much depth and Flip on the 3rd makes for a dominating 1-2-3 punch. Now with Eaves-Helm-Draper, which is a strong 3rd line will probably be the most potent 4th line (with energy) in the entire NHL. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Zetterberg Datsyuk Holmstrom Franzen Filppula Bertuzzi Is a much better top six than Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Period. We have too much depth to NOT put Filppula in the top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shady Ultima 40 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Zetterberg Datsyuk Holmstrom Franzen Filppula Bertuzzi Is a much better top six than Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Period. We have too much depth to NOT put Filppula in the top 6. I disagree. In the First scenario, Bert no longer has Chemistry and goes back to being lazy. We haven't seen Franzen play with Fil much, so they could also have no chemistry. The ZDH line is NO LONGER EFFECTIVE. Teams see them there, and they know how to defend. It dilutes our top 6 by having them on the same line, because their best defensive players only need to play that line and they don't have to worry as much about that second line. Besides, Franzen,Z and Cleary are a GREAT line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Zetterberg Datsyuk Holmstrom Franzen Filppula Bertuzzi Is a much better top six than Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Period. We have too much depth to NOT put Filppula in the top 6. Zetterberg and Datsyuk do not produce enough together to keep them together. Apart, they give the team two outstanding centers and greater depth. Zetterberg, Franzen, and Cleary, is a great 1st/2nd line that has proven they can score points at clutch times. Datsyuk, Bertuzzi, and Homer is also a great 1st/2nd line who has proven they can score goals (3 last night). Filppula, Williams, and Miller/Leino makes for a dominant 3rd line. This leaves Draper, Eaves, and Helm to be the most dominant 4th line in the NHL imo. Splitting Z and D will give this team much more depth than your lines suggest. Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Miller/Leino-Filppula-Williams Draper-Helm-Eaves Top 3 lineup in the NHL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 A lot of you have Dats, Z, Filp, and Helm as your 4 centers but I think Helm is way more valuable on that 3rd line. Filp is more than capable of handling the 2nd line. Maybe something like this: Zberg - Dats - Holmer Franzen - Filp - Bert Cleary - Helm - Eaves Leino/Miller - Drapes - Williams Before I had Abs on the 4th line but if everyone is healthy, he will most likely be sent down unfortunately... Well, those centers rae pretty much the ones we have to go with. You can't split up Datsyuk and Bertuzzi, for the reasons people have mentioned. You can't move Homer down because he's only effective with Datsyuk on the top line. Therefore you can pick from Helm, Zetterberg, or Flip to center the second line. Clearly Zetterberg is the best option. Next is Flip (thus the third line) and then Helm. Yeah, it may make Helm less effective, but better to make him less effective than Zetterberg or Flip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
