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I'm not going to diss on the Americans despite my feelings towards them, lots of good ones on here, all that matters. Don's right, if Canada had all the eligible players the US would've gotten slaughtered. And on top of that, the majority of NHL players are Canadian, the best players to ever play at all positions (Gretzky, Orr, Roy/Broduer) were Canadian. I'm as proud a Canadian as there is, so that's my take on this whole thing. 9 pages of s*** talking is something else though :lol:

Best goalie ever: Hasek. Just because he came to the NHL at a later age than Roy/Brodeur etc and played on a worse team for most of his years here, he didn't get to win as many Cups and amass the stats of Roy/Brodeur. But in his prime, he would win games by himself with little supporting cast. He just couldn't be beat. Period.

Best defenseman ever: Before Orr "revolutionized" the position, Russian and other European defensemen already partisipated in offensive rushes, and (o horror) crossed the opposition blue line before Orr did it. Orr was great, but Lidstrom, Fetisov, Kuzkin in their primes were just as good if not better.

Gretzky probably was the greatest forward of all time, I won't argue with you there (honorable mention: Lemieux). But Wayne is of Ukrainian decent anyway ;)

The above is, of course, IMHO only. But I have as good grounds for my opinion as you do for yours.

As to the question of whether Canada is "better" than the US or anyone else in Hockey,

I think that the word "better" has one meaning in sports, and one meaning only: did yoiu win? If US beat Canada in a gold medal game, US is better than Canada until Canada wins the gold again, as they probably will next year.

That is the only meaning of "better" in sports. The better team is the team that won.

Excuses are for losers.

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lol, I was just about to say that there are some intelligent americans that can stay on topic and provide Great counter points. Until I saw that last line......

Oh, I'm pretty sure I'm LOLing a lot harder than you right about now. The very line that 'proves' there aren't intelligent Americans is the very sentence where he says he's Canadian. EPIC FAIL.

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I never Proved there arn't any, I'm just waiting for one. It sounded from his post that he was one, then talked about his Canadian Pride. I don't know where he's from. I assumed he was Canadian.

The "Better" team doesn't always win. If the "Better" team always won, then there would be an 82-0 team in teh NHL each year and a 0-82 team Every year. You can lose to a team that isn't as good as you, and still be better.

Canada is not Better than the US At Baseball.

US is not better than Canada at Hockey.

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They were the better team that night for sure. You can cry about that all you want. I am sure you will.

That They Were.

Minnesota was the Better team last night against Pitsburgh. But Today, I'm going to go ahead and Still claim that Pittsburgh Is Better than Minnesota. And In a 7 Game Series, I'm taking the Penguins 100 times over 100

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This is the longest thread started by misunderstanding (purposefully?) someone's actual statements.

Many of you are not living in Canada so you may not have seen the papers but Don Cherry was responding to the Canadian Media's comments. The Canadian media came out after the US team won gold (Congrats by the way, that was a great game) and made the claim that this gold medal was proof that Canadian hockey development is on a downward trend. Papers started claiming that Canadian development needs to be totally revamped so that we can produce better players since right now we are failures.

Don made the point that the US Team played great, he even mentions some of the players by name for this. He then comments that Canada does not need to revamp the development system, and proceeds to show that we have many amazing players who are of eligible age to enter the tournament but are key components of their professional teams. He was not knocking US Hockey, the US Team, or making excuses. He was speaking to the Canadian media and the people who were claiming that the Canadian development system needs to be overhauled. The US system is doing great (kudos we need this), but he was reminding the panic inducing hockey world in Canada that our development system is just fine. We won the silver in overtime (could have been anyone's game at that point), and we are still producing some awesome NHL talent.

USA Hockey Development is doing great and have now won 2 golds at the Jr's, which is awesome. In order for hockey to be successful in the US we need great American players to show the younger generation that it is possible to succeed.

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This is the longest thread started by misunderstanding (purposefully?) someone's actual statements.

Many of you are not living in Canada so you may not have seen the papers but Don Cherry was responding to the Canadian Media's comments. The Canadian media came out after the US team won gold (Congrats by the way, that was a great game) and made the claim that this gold medal was proof that Canadian hockey development is on a downward trend. Papers started claiming that Canadian development needs to be totally revamped so that we can produce better players since right now we are failures.

Don made the point that the US Team played great, he even mentions some of the players by name for this. He then comments that Canada does not need to revamp the development system, and proceeds to show that we have many amazing players who are of eligible age to enter the tournament but are key components of their professional teams. He was not knocking US Hockey, the US Team, or making excuses. He was speaking to the Canadian media and the people who were claiming that the Canadian development system needs to be overhauled. The US system is doing great (kudos we need this), but he was reminding the panic inducing hockey world in Canada that our development system is just fine. We won the silver in overtime (could have been anyone's game at that point), and we are still producing some awesome NHL talent.

USA Hockey Development is doing great and have now won 2 golds at the Jr's, which is awesome. In order for hockey to be successful in the US we need great American players to show the younger generation that it is possible to succeed.

That said it all pretty good.

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oh boy

this international hockey has created a spark..and ITS NOT EVEN THE ACTUAL OLYMPICS!

im seriously staying the HELL away from this forum come olympic time...ill be routing for my canada...and if they win..ill PARTY IN THE STREETS BY STREAKING! but if they lose then ill say..oh well..we gave it our all and hopefully well get gold at the next olympics..which is in russia

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This is the longest thread started by misunderstanding (purposefully?) someone's actual statements.

Many of you are not living in Canada so you may not have seen the papers but Don Cherry was responding to the Canadian Media's comments. The Canadian media came out after the US team won gold (Congrats by the way, that was a great game) and made the claim that this gold medal was proof that Canadian hockey development is on a downward trend. Papers started claiming that Canadian development needs to be totally revamped so that we can produce better players since right now we are failures.

Don made the point that the US Team played great, he even mentions some of the players by name for this. He then comments that Canada does not need to revamp the development system, and proceeds to show that we have many amazing players who are of eligible age to enter the tournament but are key components of their professional teams. He was not knocking US Hockey, the US Team, or making excuses. He was speaking to the Canadian media and the people who were claiming that the Canadian development system needs to be overhauled. The US system is doing great (kudos we need this), but he was reminding the panic inducing hockey world in Canada that our development system is just fine. We won the silver in overtime (could have been anyone's game at that point), and we are still producing some awesome NHL talent.

USA Hockey Development is doing great and have now won 2 golds at the Jr's, which is awesome. In order for hockey to be successful in the US we need great American players to show the younger generation that it is possible to succeed.

Man, I wish I read page 12 FIRST instead of last.. haha.

So much has been argued in this thread, I don't even know what the argument is anymore!

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The bottom line is that India and Australia didn't invent the sport, and none of the players on either team are British. Saying that Britain can indirectly steal credit for either country's success in the sport is ridiculous, that's like saying Britain has a strong hockey legacy purely by connection to Canada.

Oh, so now it isn't about how the sport originated after all, it's where it flourished. Hey moron, you can't just backtrack on criteria YOU set when you get evidence telling you you're wrong.

What we know as ice hockey was invented by an Englishman in England in the late-1700s/early-1800s as an adaptation from various field games as well as ice games played by Scandinavians, and it has gone on to flourish globally, in Canada, the United States, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and Russia as major areas.

Basketball was invented by a Canadian gym teacher in the United States as a way for his students to exercise during the winter, in the relatively small space he had, as a game of skill that relied primarily on strength, and it has flourished globally as one of the world's most popular sports, with primary interest in the United States.

And BTW, the medal count for cricket in the Olympics is:

Great Britain: 1G, 0S, 0B

France: 0G, 1S, 0B

Great Britain beat France at the 1900 Olympic games in the only cricket match ever played in the Olympics, after Belgium and Holland pulled out, leaving only two teams to play for the Olympic championship.

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Just a point on Detroit not winning the cup with the same team and a 40 goal scorer. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps we didn't get worse as a team, the penguins just got better? There is more to it than that of course but...

Also Don Cherry gets paid to be Don Cherry, the moment there isn't an audience for him then he would no longer be on TV. Not saying I like the guy but sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

Lastly as a Canadian, Detroit is my favorite team not because it's Detroit, but because of it's players, history and how they carry themselves. Over the years many canadian citizens have played for them as well. It's not an American team persay but a team of international players who happen to be based in an American City.

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Lastly as a Canadian, Detroit is my favorite team not because it's Detroit, but because of it's players, history and how they carry themselves. Over the years many canadian citizens have played for them as well. It's not an American team persay but a team of international players who happen to be based in an American City.

Nonsense - Detroit is an American team, because their best player is from Buffalo Grove, Illinois.

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USA's "B" would easily beat Canada's best "A" team they could ever ice during 09/10 WJC. USA is the new kid on the block. Canada is a far 2nd.

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USA beats Canada at the WJC in 99 yet almost gets relegated while Canada wins silver. Therefore, USA>Canada.

Makes as much sense.

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USA's "B" would easily beat Canada's best "A" team they could ever ice during 09/10 WJC. USA is the new kid on the block. Canada is a far 2nd.

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Congratulation to the US Team.

No one is arguing with you, the US Team won the World Juniors for 2010 in overtime. There is no disputing this. However you started this thread to attack Don Cherry simply because you did not like what he said. You did not listen to what he said, you misinterpreted it and now feel you should attack him for your lack of understanding. I said it once so I will say it again, Don Cherry was responding to the Canadian media who claimed that Canadian hockey development is flawed. We still produce many great NHL players and the system is working. He never made excuses, and he did not try to take anything from the US team. He even talks about how good they were. Stop making up fairy tales.

Good Job Team USA, cannot wait for more great hockey next year. Now stop trolling for comments and give up your baseless attacks on Cherry.

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Congratulation to the US Team.

No one is arguing with you, the US Team won the World Juniors for 2010 in overtime. There is no disputing this. However you started this thread to attack Don Cherry simply because you did not like what he said. You did not listen to what he said, you misinterpreted it and now feel you should attack him for your lack of understanding. I said it once so I will say it again, Don Cherry was responding to the Canadian media who claimed that Canadian hockey development is flawed. We still produce many great NHL players and the system is working. He never made excuses, and he did not try to take anything from the US team. He even talks about how good they were. Stop making up fairy tales.

Good Job Team USA, cannot wait for more great hockey next year. Now stop trolling for comments and give up your baseless attacks on Cherry.

Don Cherry's suit is the fairy tale.

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Congratulation to the US Team.

No one is arguing with you, the US Team won the World Juniors for 2010 in overtime. There is no disputing this. However you started this thread to attack Don Cherry simply because you did not like what he said. You did not listen to what he said, you misinterpreted it and now feel you should attack him for your lack of understanding. I said it once so I will say it again, Don Cherry was responding to the Canadian media who claimed that Canadian hockey development is flawed. We still produce many great NHL players and the system is working. He never made excuses, and he did not try to take anything from the US team. He even talks about how good they were. Stop making up fairy tales.

Good Job Team USA, cannot wait for more great hockey next year. Now stop trolling for comments and give up your baseless attacks on Cherry.

I don't have too many issues with Grapes. However, I remember an instance where I took immediate offense to a statement ofhis on one occasion when he diverted from hockey talk on Coach's Corner last season and made an asinine statement of how much better Canadian soldiers were over American soldiers during World War ll, something that never should have been said amongst other reasons that I won't go into that could derail the thread.

Canada produces (the most?) and some of the best hockey players the league has ever known. Let's not forget that Red Wing greats like Howe, Lindsey, Yzerman, ect are all Canadians by birth.

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I don't have too many issues with Grapes. However, I remember an instance where I took immediate offense to a statement ofhis on one occasion when he diverted from hockey talk on Coach's Corner last season and made an asinine statement of how much better Canadian soldiers were over American soldiers during World War ll, something that never should have been said amongst other reasons that I won't go into that could derail the thread.

Canada produces (the most?) and some of the best hockey players the league has ever known. Let's not forget that Red Wing greats like Howe, Lindsey, Yzerman, ect are all Canadians by birth.

I agree that Grapes can say some foolish stuff at times, but it is a difficult job. He comes out in front of millions weekly to speak his mind on hockey, and sometimes he is wrong. Hard thing to do though. It is easy to remain quiet, but it is difficult to speak your mind. Most seem to subscribe to Lincoln's quote "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.".

About his military talks, yeah I totally agree with you. Sometimes he can overextend himself. He is there for hockey and nothing else. But I think his heart is in the right place, even if he does mess it up sometimes. I appreciate that he gives our soldiers a moment on a tv program they likely enjoyed as he tries to thank them, at least he tries.

WWII is a difficult topic and perhaps he made those comments but I assure you Canadians do not feel that way. We are proud of the contributions made during WWII and like the rest of the world, we wish the entire War did not have to happen. Perhaps if the world leaders knew what hitler was planning they could have stopped him before he had any power..... it is a sad tale.

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