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#61 T.Low

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (VM1138 @ January 19, 2010 - 01:58PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think Ozzie is upset that he's the backup. None of his comments seem to indicate he believes that he should be a starter. His complaints all revolve aroudn how long between starts. He, like everyone else, feels that Babcock is playing Howard TOO much, and that it allows one of the goalies to get stagnant.

Ozzie is still a team player, he's not upset with Howard from the sounds of it, or jealous. He probably feels he can't keep sharp without the starts and is concerned about his own chances when he does start. He knows he deserves to be the backup but he also feels he should play more than once a month, which I can understand.

He just shouldn't go to the media with it.



I agree.

And what's more, i really don't think Osgood is sitting there rattling off comments: Remember, there are reporter's in his face asking pointed questions and directing the conversation to hear answers to questions and issues that they think will make juicy stories.

Possible Example:
Reporter: "Chris, you haven't played for over 4wks and suddenly you are playiing against Ovechkin and Washington, do you think it's a coincidence that your first start is against the highest scoring team in the NHL?"

Osgood: "That’s quite a coincidence. Or maybe not,'' Osgood said after the morning skate. "We’ll see how it works out.’’

Reporter: "After all this time off, are you ready to play again or will you be rusty?"

Osgood: "You practice every day, You get ready every day, so let’s play.’’

Reporter: " Are you comfortable with this new system of Howard sitting for a longtime while you play a lot of games in a row, then you sitting for a long time while Howard plays a lot of games in a row, or do yu prefer the way it was in the past years rotating in and out more frequently"

Osgood: "“At the start of the year Howie didn’t play for about a month and then I didn’t play for a month. To me that’s not a good way of doing things, to let one guy get stagnant,'' Osgood said. "You have to have both guys going, especially with the amount of games we have, especially coming back after the Olympic break we have a ton of games in March. So we have to have two guys in case something happens."


You gotta take sports media with a huge grain of salt since most comments (other than from Sean Avery) are question driven. I wouldn't make too much about it.

I thought the reason for starting Ozzie would be obvious: We always hear how he must get bored playing aginst Minnesota, Phoenix, etc after playing in the big games so often. Well, here comes Ovechkin and the Caps so tighten your jockstrap and get up for this game, Ozzie.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 03:56 PM

I haven't read all three pages of this post, so maybe what I'm about to say is repetitious, but...

How has the Howard bandwagon grown so quickly and yet so blindly? Have all of these newbie Howard fans actually noticed that he can't stop the puck - that all he can do is position himself to let the puck bounce off him? When he actually has to stop the puck (and hey, let's try that more often than not, since we do have some stellar centers who can actually win a face-off in their own zone!) it's 50-50 at best (and I'm being nice here).

So why is his GAA so high and why does he sit near the top of goalies right now? Let's think about it...before we can answer those questions on stats, let's throw another stat question that has been bandied about out there for consideration "Why do the Wings have so many more shots against them this year?" Well, when all of your D and half or more of your forwards are trying to create a physical wall around a so-so rookie goaltender and scrape pucks out of the crease because he can't actually handle the puck, it leaves the opposition open to...uh, take more shots.

And let's be fair - none of this "talking to the media" hoo-ha would even be mentioned if Babcock hadn't sat Ozzie for so darn long. When this all started, neither goalie looked stellar. And if the goalie rotation had continued, all comments by Ozzie since then would have been taken as simply his dry wit and nothing more.

Bottom line - no matter how "well" he is playing (and I think that's a pretty subjective term), no self-respecting team with any other possible option AND with a shot at the playoffs will run a rookie goalie every night for weeks on end. (Bottom of the league teams, sure - because they have no other viable option. But not Chicago. Not Colorado. Not San Jose. And definitely not the Wings!)

Thanks for letting me vent my spleen. (And for the record, before I fire Babcock, I'd be firing Bedard!)

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 03:56 PM

Hopefully he's as pissed as he sounds. Ozzie plays well when he's pissed.
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Vladifan @ January 19, 2010 - 03:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And when the team in front of him starts scoring consistently again, I'll have more confidence in them.


The difference is that this team is multiple games over .500. Osgood has won 7 games, and including OT, he has lost 10.

Anything else?

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (clutchngrab @ January 19, 2010 - 03:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh Puhlease, This is no Babcock conspiracy against Osgood. The reason Osgood is starting is simple. Washington is in the Eastern Conference and not ahead of the wings in the standings.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:12 PM

QUOTE (221-6-13 @ January 19, 2010 - 08:56PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't read all three pages of this post, so maybe what I'm about to say is repetitious, but...

How has the Howard bandwagon grown so quickly and yet so blindly? Have all of these newbie Howard fans actually noticed that he can't stop the puck - that all he can do is position himself to let the puck bounce off him? When he actually has to stop the puck (and hey, let's try that more often than not, since we do have some stellar centers who can actually win a face-off in their own zone!) it's 50-50 at best (and I'm being nice here).

So why is his GAA so high and why does he sit near the top of goalies right now? Let's think about it...before we can answer those questions on stats, let's throw another stat question that has been bandied about out there for consideration "Why do the Wings have so many more shots against them this year?" Well, when all of your D and half or more of your forwards are trying to create a physical wall around a so-so rookie goaltender and scrape pucks out of the crease because he can't actually handle the puck, it leaves the opposition open to...uh, take more shots.

And let's be fair - none of this "talking to the media" hoo-ha would even be mentioned if Babcock hadn't sat Ozzie for so darn long. When this all started, neither goalie looked stellar. And if the goalie rotation had continued, all comments by Ozzie since then would have been taken as simply his dry wit and nothing more.

Bottom line - no matter how "well" he is playing (and I think that's a pretty subjective term), no self-respecting team with any other possible option AND with a shot at the playoffs will run a rookie goalie every night for weeks on end. (Bottom of the league teams, sure - because they have no other viable option. But not Chicago. Not Colorado. Not San Jose. And definitely not the Wings!)

Thanks for letting me vent my spleen. (And for the record, before I fire Babcock, I'd be firing Bedard!)



MMM coincidence that you just created your account today?

You call Howard a so-so goaltender that right there (hey I bolded it for you if you can't find it) tells me all I need to know about you and this situation!

Don't be so butt hurt, every goaltender is eventually replaced by a newer younger model!

The real bottom line, the team wins more often with Howard in front of them and Mike Babcock thinks the team has a better chance of winning with Howard in net, and so doesn't most of the team (as in the org, Holland etc)!

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (zettie85 @ January 19, 2010 - 03:51PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Being a player should mean being a team player then as well. He shouldn't be bitching about his starts and especially going to the media with his thoughts on the situation.



Sir, if there has been ONE SINGLE PLAYER (beside Steve Yzerman) the last decade who could be named a true Red Wing and a teamplayer it's Chris Osgood.
Everybody knows that.

Don't trash the guy for one single comment which is very likely completely been taken out of context.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (interminded @ January 19, 2010 - 05:21PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sir, if there has been ONE SINGLE PLAYER (beside Steve Yzerman) the last decade who could be named a true Red Wing and a teamplayer it's Chris Osgood.
Everybody knows that.

Don't trash the guy for one single comment which is very likely completely been taken out of context.



It very well could have. The fact that Ozzie is upset is obvious though. When we play Howard we have a better chance to win lately and Ozzie should just deal with it.

All I'm saying is that if all he wants to do is play but doesn't care how his play effects the team then he isn't being a team player right now.
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:29 PM

Boy he better not do bad tonight.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (interminded @ January 19, 2010 - 09:21PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sir, if there has been ONE SINGLE PLAYER (beside Steve Yzerman) the last decade who could be named a true Red Wing and a teamplayer it's Chris Osgood.
Everybody knows that.

Don't trash the guy for one single comment which is very likely completely been taken out of context.



ummm Lids? Ummm Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Draper, Maltby you know guys who have been a Red Wing for the last Decade not a Wing, Blue, Islander. I mean that seems to make the most sense to me, if you are going to use the decade as a measuring stick shouldn't it be someone who was here for said decade?

Ozzie was gone for 3 of the 10 years you are talking about, see my sig about Yzerman and having the winged wheel on his chest. Say what you want about why Ozzie left/was sent packing/went to NYI, being a Wing means never leaving, if you are talking about the ONE SINGLE PLAYER who exemplifies what it means to be a wing, that means being a wing no matter what. Whether that means sitting the pine (Ozzie) or playing the 4th line (Yzerman).

Epitomizing being a wing is not something a player does on Thursdays only, or only when they are the starter, or the MAN, or whatever else, or for the years they are on the roster.

Example, if Yzerman gets traded to Vancouver, who hear is still saying Yzerman epitomizes what it means to be a wing? Does his number end up in the rafters?

Epitomizing being a wing is sacrificing for the team and saying 0 about it!

Being a Red Wing like Yzerman means you wear one crest, and only one crest!

By the way this is not the first Osgood has said on this "Goaltender Situation", he has made multiple comments about Babs handling of the starting minutes!

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE (Carman @ January 19, 2010 - 02:35PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not turning on Osgood. I'm just not happy that he feels it's necessary to create controversy when the goaltending situation so far this season has been practically the only bright spot. Osgood has plenty of time to get in playoff shape down the stretch when the Wing's need a goalie to step up like Howard has lately, there was no reason for him to bring this up to the media other than his own personal ego.


If you're going to say that Osgood's creating controversy, you better put Babcock right there with him. But, if you ask me, I'd say Osgood is merely responding to the controversy that Babcock has created, plain and simple. I'm not saying I think it's great that Osgood is responding in the press, but I don't think he's wrong in what he's saying either, and I think it goes right back to Babcock's mishandling of the goalie situation.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Opie @ January 19, 2010 - 09:28PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love how the tinfoil hat crowd finds a way in every Ozzie thread to make the starting of Howard personal!


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nice, but I´m bewildered myself. First Howie gets to start a whole month (even back to back against dallas and chi) and now Ozzie will get the start against the hottest offensive powerhouse of the east?

I doubt Ozzie will be good...
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:41 PM

Ozzie needs to shut up, stop bitching around and stop pucks. Tonight is his chance let's see what he's going to do...
Let's hope he's not going to leave as a loser - need to stop bitching ASAP.

Good luck for tonight Ozzie!!!
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (zettie85 @ January 19, 2010 - 04:28PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It very well could have. The fact that Ozzie is upset is obvious though. When we play Howard we have a better chance to win lately and Ozzie should just deal with it.

All I'm saying is that if all he wants to do is play but doesn't care how his play effects the team then he isn't being a team player right now.



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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (gcom007 @ January 19, 2010 - 05:38PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you're going to say that Osgood's creating controversy, you better put Babcock right there with him. But, if you ask me, I'd say Osgood is merely responding to the controversy that Babcock has created, plain and simple. I'm not saying I think it's great that Osgood is responding in the press, but I don't think he's wrong in what he's saying either, and I think it goes right back to Babcock's mishandling of the goalie situation.



Babs is riding the hot goalie. God forbid he takes winning over Ozzie's feelings. He did not start the controversy to piss of Osgood. He didn't start anything. He decided to go with the goalie he had confidence in and who the team played well in front of.
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Opie @ January 19, 2010 - 04:31PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ummm Lids? Ummm Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Draper, Maltby you know guys who have been a Red Wing for the last Decade not a Wing, Blue, Islander. I mean that seems to make the most sense to me, if you are going to use the decade as a measuring stick shouldn't it be someone who was here for said decade?

Ozzie was gone for 3 of the 10 years you are talking about, see my sig about Yzerman and having the winged wheel on his chest. Say what you want about why Ozzie left/was sent packing/went to NYI, being a Wing means never leaving, if you are talking about the ONE SINGLE PLAYER who exemplifies what it means to be a wing, that means being a wing no matter what. Whether that means sitting the pine (Ozzie) or playing the 4th line (Yzerman).

Epitomizing being a wing is not something a player does on Thursdays only, or only when they are the starter, or the MAN, or whatever else, or for the years they are on the roster.

Example, if Yzerman gets traded to Vancouver, who hear is still saying Yzerman epitomizes what it means to be a wing? Does his number end up in the rafters?

Epitomizing being a wing is sacrificing for the team and saying 0 about it!

Being a Red Wing like Yzerman means you wear one crest, and only one crest!

By the way this is not the first Osgood has said on this "Goaltender Situation", he has made multiple comments about Babs handling of the starting minutes!


I think you are really missing the mark on this one. Profoundly so.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE (Opie @ January 19, 2010 - 04:31PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Being a Red Wing like Yzerman means you wear one crest, and only one crest!


Well then.

We'd better take down the banners of Sawchuk, Lindsay, Howe, and Abel as Yzerman and Delvecchio are the only guys up there who spent their entire pro careers in Detroit, and are therefore the only 'true' Red Wings.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (zettie85 @ January 19, 2010 - 04:42PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Babs is riding the hot goalie. God forbid he takes winning over Ozzie's feelings. He did not start the controversy to piss of Osgood. He didn't start anything. He decided to go with the goalie he had confidence in and who the team played well in front of.


Right...and I don't say that to take away anything from what Howard's done, but anyone who actually thinks this just boils down to Howard's play is either lying or delusional. That's just laughable at this point.

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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ January 19, 2010 - 04:46PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well then.

We'd better take down the banners of Sawchuk, Lindsay, Howe, and Abel as Yzerman and Delvecchio are the only guys up there who spent their entire pro careers in Detroit, and are therefore the only 'true' Red Wings.


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Posted 19 January 2010 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE (gcom007 @ January 19, 2010 - 05:52PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Right...and I don't say that to take away anything from what Howard's done, but anyone who actually thinks this just boils down to Howard's play is either lying or delusional. That's just laughable at this point.


What else is it about then?
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