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#1 bonan78

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 12:29 AM



Believe it or not, I actually saw a hockey highlight on Sportscenter that wasn't Crosby. ph34r.gif

As good as the Wings are on draws, I'm surprised they don't try this play, as you can see the goalie wasn't expecting to have to face a shot from the centerman taking the draw.

Obviously it would have to be the right situation (for our centers it would have to be from the left faceoff dot) surely they try stuff like this in practice, why not try it in the game, worst case scenario the goalie makes a save and we get a rebound off of it. Actually, worst case scenario is that Lebda is playing the point and decides to pinch in and leads to a odd-man rush the other way.

Edited by bonan78, 20 January 2010 - 01:11 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 12:56 AM

I don't mean this in a dickish way, but have you seriously never seen that happen before? Guys try it all the time on faceoffs with only a second or 2 left.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:02 AM

QUOTE (SeeinRed @ January 20, 2010 - 12:56AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't mean this in a dickish way, but have you seriously never seen that happen before? Guys try it all the time on faceoffs with only a second or 2 left.


Agreed ... or just another I hate Crosby thread ... rolleyes.gif

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:06 AM

QUOTE (SeeinRed @ January 20, 2010 - 12:56AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't mean this in a dickish way, but have you seriously never seen that happen before? Guys try it all the time on faceoffs with only a second or 2 left.


Of course I've seen it tried before, I started watching hockey the same year you were born, my point is why don't the Wings centers try it more often, we have been one of the best teams at taking faceoffs for some time, and I could see Zetterberg, Datsyuk or even Filppula picking up a cheap goal every now and then if they would run this play. Like I said, even if the initial shot doesn't score it could generate a rebound chance, and if our wingers are expecting it, they could get that split second jump on the defenders to take a whack at it.


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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:06 AM

QUOTE (KrazyGangsta @ January 20, 2010 - 01:02AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed ... or just another I hate Crosby thread ... rolleyes.gif


That was intended as a dig against ESPN, not as Crosby hate.

Edited by bonan78, 20 January 2010 - 01:10 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE (bonan78 @ January 20, 2010 - 01:06AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course I've seen it tried before, I started watching hockey the same year you were born, my point is why don't the Wings centers try it more often, we have been one of the best teams at taking faceoffs for some time, and I could see Zetterberg, Datsyuk or even Filppula picking up a cheap goal every now and then if they would run this play. Like I said, even if the initial shot doesn't score it could generate a rebound chance, and if our wingers are expecting it, they could get that split second jump on the defenders to take a whack at it.


If you do have a good faceoff team then why even bother with it. It would be much better to get the puck possession then just shoot it and have the chance to either miss or lose the faceoff. Carter just got lucky nothing to do with talent just the lucky shot at the good moment. I can guarantee you that if he tried that 10 more times and he woudn't even get 1 passed by the goalie.

Edited by KrazyGangsta, 20 January 2010 - 01:12 AM.


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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:14 AM

QUOTE (KrazyGangsta @ January 20, 2010 - 01:11AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you do have a good faceoff team then why even bother with it. It would be much better to get the puck possession then just shoot it and have the chance to either miss or lose the faceoff. Carter just got lucky nothing to do with talent just the lucky shot at the good moment. I guarantee you he tried that 10 more times and he won't get none of them in.


Did you not read my post? I said try it every now and then because it might generate a cheap goal or a rebound that a winger could jump on before the defenders have a chance to react., not do it every time and give up trying to win faceoffs and get possession You're missing the point.

Edited by bonan78, 20 January 2010 - 01:15 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:15 AM

The reason they don't try it is because it's an astronomically low percentage play, and it's an automatic faceoff loss to boot.

Except they do try it if there's not enough time left to win a drag and get a shot off.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:18 AM

QUOTE (bonan78 @ January 20, 2010 - 01:14AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you not read my post? I said try it every now and then because it might generate a cheap goal or a rebound that a winger could jump on before the defenders have a chance to react., not do it every time and give up trying to win faceoffs and get possession You're missing the point.


No actually sir your missing the point that chances of losing / missing is much greater then your opportunities for a rebound or a goal.

I rather get the faceoff win, get the puck possession give it to the point ... get a legitimate shot with someone in front of goalie and have a chance for an actual rebound or deflection.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:19 AM

QUOTE (SeeinRed @ January 20, 2010 - 01:15AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason they don't try it is because it's an astronomically low percentage play, and it's an automatic faceoff loss to boot.

Except they do try it if there's not enough time left to win a drag and get a shot off.


It's not as "astronomically" low as you think, and to reiterate, I'm not saying do it every time, but other than the last ditch situations where that is the only way to get a shot on goal, it could be done in other situations to get a jump on the defense.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:45 AM

QUOTE (bonan78 @ January 20, 2010 - 01:19AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not as "astronomically" low as you think, and to reiterate, I'm not saying do it every time, but other than the last ditch situations where that is the only way to get a shot on goal, it could be done in other situations to get a jump on the defense.


It's pretty damn low. And I don't see a problem with trying it maybe a few times a season other than the desperation tries, but it makes a lot more sense to just win a faceoff.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:45 AM

My computer doesn't seem to work with Red Wings TV very well right now but I know for a fact that Zetterberg did it against Boston some time in the 07-08 season. Someone can easily find it in the archives and post a link. I wanted to do that but as I said, Red Wings TV isn't working for me right now.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:14 AM

QUOTE (SeeinRed @ January 20, 2010 - 01:45AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's pretty damn low. And I don't see a problem with trying it maybe a few times a season other than the desperation tries, but it makes a lot more sense to just win a faceoff.


Thank you, that's all I was trying to say. I was simply pointing out that other than the desparation situations, I hadn't seen any Red Wings player try it, although titamium2 recalls seeing Z do it against Boston a couple of season ago.

P.S. crossed out the unneeded retaliatory jab. It's just as low a percentage as any other set play off the faceoff, and considering that most teams manage to win draws about 50% of the time, and anything less than 50% is usually considered to be "low percentage", trying to aim the puck off a draw is doable.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE (titanium2 @ January 20, 2010 - 01:45AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My computer doesn't seem to work with Red Wings TV very well right now but I know for a fact that Zetterberg did it against Boston some time in the 07-08 season. Someone can easily find it in the archives and post a link. I wanted to do that but as I said, Red Wings TV isn't working for me right now.


here you go. it's on page 9

http://video.nhl.com...ole?hlp=8468083 I was at this game too!! Definately one of the coolest goals I saw live.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:24 AM

did it this season against Boston too back in Nov.
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:34 AM

QUOTE (Pavel Hossyukstrom @ January 20, 2010 - 02:24AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
did it this season against Boston too back in Nov.
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


Good looking out on the link. Also, yeah that goal was off the faceoff but Z wasn't the one taking the faceoff. The Boston one in theory is exactly the same as Carter's.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE (KrazyGangsta @ January 20, 2010 - 01:18AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No actually sir your missing the point that chances of losing / missing is much greater then your opportunities for a rebound or a goal.

I rather get the faceoff win, get the puck possession give it to the point ... get a legitimate shot with someone in front of goalie and have a chance for an actual rebound or deflection.


You are making it sound like it's all or nothing. I'm not saying that the Wings should abandon trying to gain possession on every faceoff, but just like any set play off a draw, there is the opportunity for it to work as drawn up or not. Let's say for example, the other team ices the puck, they have a tired line on the ice, why not try it and see if you can catch them flat-footed?

Once again, to clarify for those who think in terms of absolutes: I am not advocating this as something they should do every faceoff, or even every game. I was merely pointing out that if Jeff Carter can do it, our centers could also do it, and I wouldn't mind seeing it every now and then.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 03:01 AM

A double post where I quote my own post? Odd. I haven't double posted in ages, maybe ever.

Edited by SeeinRed, 20 January 2010 - 10:25 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 03:01 AM

QUOTE (bonan78 @ January 20, 2010 - 02:14AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you, that's all I was trying to say. I was simply pointing out that other than the desparation situations, I hadn't seen any Red Wings player try it, although titamium2 recalls seeing Z do it against Boston a couple of season ago.

P.S. crossed out the unneeded retaliatory jab. It's just as low a percentage as any other set play off the faceoff, and considering that most teams manage to win draws about 50% of the time, and anything less than 50% is usually considered to be "low percentage", trying to aim the puck off a draw is doable.


Really? It's lower than winning it back to a defenseman, who then takes a shot? I think the old breakaway alley-oop or change a guy from the far entrance to the bench plays have a higher rate of success. Whatever though. It's cool when it works, but it doesn't work often because teams don't try it often, and teams don't try it often because it's not a good move strategically.

And laugh.gif @ "unneeded retaliatory jab," considering your "since you were born" comment.

Edited by SeeinRed, 20 January 2010 - 10:25 AM.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 04:48 AM

Hossa does it as well.
pretty cool when it works, but like others have stated, its just a low percentage play.





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