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#41 SouthernWingsFan

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 09:55 PM

Somebody should clock Bettman to the head.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 11:21 PM

Somebody should clock Bettman to the head.


His parents probably did. Explains a few things.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 08:17 AM

Somebody should clock Bettman to the head.

Go for it. Solving it will take time.

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 10:42 AM

How much time does it take to issue a memorandum saying hits to the head are banned, and anyone found in violation of that will be suspended without pay for however long the person they hit is out of commission? The person you hit is out for the year? So are you.


I like that. :thumbup:

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 05:07 PM

I like that. :thumbup:

Please no. While to idea of suspending a player for the length of the injury sustained is a good one, it wouldn't work well in practice. There are too many other factors like did his head also hit the ice, is the injury only to the head area, did the player expose his head at the last moment, etc. Also, many injuries from hits are a result of the person getting hit not being in the correct position to be hit. Therefore, injuries are often a result of both parties, whether or not the hit was dirty.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 11:18 AM

Please no. While to idea of suspending a player for the length of the injury sustained is a good one, it wouldn't work well in practice. There are too many other factors like did his head also hit the ice, is the injury only to the head area, did the player expose his head at the last moment, etc. Also, many injuries from hits are a result of the person getting hit not being in the correct position to be hit. Therefore, injuries are often a result of both parties, whether or not the hit was dirty.

I'm with you on this one. An injury isn't just caused by the guy getting hit in the head Are you going to suspend the ice or the boards as well after a head shot if the guy hits his head off it and is injured for a year?

I think a combination of a new rule and removing the instigator would be the best way to prevent stuff like this. I can guarantee Matt Cooke would've thought twice about that hit if he knows at any time he could get his face punched in. The aggressor penalty never gets called, if it did Mac woulda got it against Turtle since he was kneeing him in the face after all. If you combined players knowing they wold get hte s*** kicked outta them with the fact that they would probably get suspended with no pay, I think they would slow down on the dirty hits.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 11:30 AM

I'm all for getting rid of the instigator, but I don't think it'll have a lot of impact on headshots.

It probably requires an immediate call on the ice, but more importantly a league review to try and determine if it was just a mis-timed hit, or headhunting. Then a suspension based on that determination.

The problem is that as long as Campbell is the one reviewing these hits, the suspensions will continue to be a total joke.

Any new rule without getting rid of Campbell won't be very effective.

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 20 June 2010 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 20 June 2010 - 11:56 AM

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:01 PM

Please no. While to idea of suspending a player for the length of the injury sustained is a good one, it wouldn't work well in practice. There are too many other factors like did his head also hit the ice, is the injury only to the head area, did the player expose his head at the last moment, etc. Also, many injuries from hits are a result of the person getting hit not being in the correct position to be hit. Therefore, injuries are often a result of both parties, whether or not the hit was dirty.



Really? If the league says "hits to the head are outlawed" and you hit someone in the head and they as a result of that hit, are gone for the year......so are you. Sorry. This parsing and semantics about the angle of the head from the shoulder, the temperature of the ice upon impact, what degree give did the boards expand.....it's piddling.

If you know that hitting someone in the head, whether with your stick or your body is against the rules of the NHL and you do it anyway......you're done for however long the person you injured is out. If that's 2 games, it's 2 games. If it's a month, it's a month. Blatant disregard for the rules and by extension the safety of everyone playing the game should not be tolerated. Hockey is already a very physical, combative sport......making it worse by letting head shots go unpunished is ridiculous. I'm not talking about accidental contact where you get tripped or someone hits you and then you fall into someone else. I'm talking about direct contact to another player's head, in complete knowledge of where your body and/or stick is going. THAT s*** has got to stop. And if you don't think it does, let someone nearly break Pavs' neck.....and then we'll see where everyone stands.

Edited by Electrophile, 20 June 2010 - 12:03 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:10 PM

Really? If the league says "hits to the head are outlawed" and you hit someone in the head and they as a result of that hit, are gone for the year......so are you. Sorry. This parsing and semantics about the angle of the head from the shoulder, the temperature of the ice upon impact, what degree give did the boards expand.....it's piddling.

If you know that hitting someone in the head, whether with your stick or your body is against the rules of the NHL and you do it anyway......you're done for however long the person you injured is out. If that's 2 games, it's 2 games. If it's a month, it's a month. Blatant disregard for the rules and by extension the safety of everyone playing the game should not be tolerated. Hockey is already a very physical, combative sport......making it worse by letting head shots go unpunished is ridiculous. I'm not talking about accidental contact where you get tripped or someone hits you and then you fall into someone else. I'm talking about direct contact to another player's head, in complete knowledge of where your body and/or stick is going. THAT s*** has got to stop. And if you don't think it does, let someone nearly break Pavs' neck.....and then we'll see where everyone stands.

Thats the thing though, hockey is a fast game and you might not know youre about to make a head hit but the guy lowers his head to make a move and puts it into your shoulder or something. A player doesn't deserve to miss possibly a whole season for something like that.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:24 PM

Agreed Newfy.

It's too tough to judge intent with the pace of the game today.

I'm alright with a couple game suspensions for hits to the head, but most of them are largely just split second mistakes, not premeditated hits.

If you start enforcing the penalty to for the hitter to be out as long as the person he injured then you'll just effectively kill open ice hitting. No player is going to take a physical oppurtunity when it's largely a roll of the dice if they hit the guy too high.

That said a medium length suspension wouldn't be the end of the world to me, it would diminish the premeditated hits to the head and not kill the open ice opportunities.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:51 PM

Really? If the league says "hits to the head are outlawed" and you hit someone in the head and they as a result of that hit, are gone for the year......so are you. Sorry. This parsing and semantics about the angle of the head from the shoulder, the temperature of the ice upon impact, what degree give did the boards expand.....it's piddling.

If you know that hitting someone in the head, whether with your stick or your body is against the rules of the NHL and you do it anyway......you're done for however long the person you injured is out. If that's 2 games, it's 2 games. If it's a month, it's a month. Blatant disregard for the rules and by extension the safety of everyone playing the game should not be tolerated. Hockey is already a very physical, combative sport......making it worse by letting head shots go unpunished is ridiculous. I'm not talking about accidental contact where you get tripped or someone hits you and then you fall into someone else. I'm talking about direct contact to another player's head, in complete knowledge of where your body and/or stick is going. THAT s*** has got to stop. And if you don't think it does, let someone nearly break Pavs' neck.....and then we'll see where everyone stands.

That's all great in theory, but it just doesn't apply to real hockey. Have you ever played competitive hockey? It doesn't work like that. Do you think Richards was trying to target Booth's head? Hits like that should be punishable, but you cannot base it on the injury. For those that have played hockey, the hit to the head is a lot like checking from behind. While it can be done purposely, most of the time a check from behind is a result of bad judgment, the player turning, unpreparedness of player being hit, etc.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 01:05 PM

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I was already pretty annoyed that day thanks to a certain World Cup result and really didn't need to be confronted with someone acting like that.

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 04:16 PM

Getting rid of the stupidity he's introduced into hockey will take even more time.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 07:27 AM

From The Province :

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The NHLís board of governors met for five hours Thursday and endorsed the new wording on head shots. Blindside hits will now be a mandatory major and game misconduct, with possible suspensions coming.
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Posted 25 June 2010 - 07:33 AM

So does that mean that Kronnwall style hits, while not headshots, will be banned?

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 12:47 PM

That's all great in theory, but it just doesn't apply to real hockey. Have you ever played competitive hockey? It doesn't work like that. Do you think Richards was trying to target Booth's head? Hits like that should be punishable, but you cannot base it on the injury. For those that have played hockey, the hit to the head is a lot like checking from behind. While it can be done purposely, most of the time a check from behind is a result of bad judgment, the player turning, unpreparedness of player being hit, etc.


Richards' hit was clean; the head part was accidental. He had initiated a hit that would hit the puck carrier, Booth, shoulder-to-shoulder, when Booth suddenly changed his position, lowering his head into Richards' hit. Happens a lot of the time. Granted, intentional hits to the head happen a lot as well, but Richards was throwing a clean check that went wrong due to Booth's change of position. Think about Pronger trying to hit Yzerman. Pronger missed Yzerman because Yzerman pretty much dodged the hit. What if Yzerman doesn't make it out of the way and suffers a career-ending injury because of his unusual position? While Pronger was not exactly throwing the cleanest of hits, he wasn't trying to end Yzerman's career.

I suppose it's like the high sticking rule. If I am trying to get out of a corner scrum because the puck has been kicked out, but my stick is being held against the boards so I have to lift it and I catch the guy in the chin, what happens? More often than not, I go to the box for two. If he's cut, that's an automatic four. Even if it was all a result of what should have been either a 'holding the stick' or 'interference' penalty on him.

Proper discretion as to whether the head hit was intentional is important. The "effect equals suspension" is crap. What happens if a guy trips me on a breakaway. Two minutes, right? Then later, I trip the same guy on a breakaway and he wrecks his knee on the goal post, missing two seasons? Am I suspended for two seasons also, even though the situation was exactly reversed with the same players, only one resulted in an injury?

The "intention" thing must be solved before the "hits to the head" can be solved. Unless you want to watch soccer on ice.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 12:57 PM

That said a medium length suspension wouldn't be the end of the world to me, it would diminish the premeditated hits to the head and not kill the open ice opportunities.


I think I agree with this, handed out by the league-review mentioned above. It seems like on-ice calls might be dicey, and prone to being blown too often. Also, get rid of the Instigator.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 02:06 PM

How much time does it take to issue a memorandum saying hits to the head are banned, and anyone found in violation of that will be suspended without pay for however long the person they hit is out of commission? The person you hit is out for the year? So are you.

becuase some guys (umberger) deserve to be knocked out for a year, I mean he was LOOKING RIGHT AT BRAD STUART and it was CLEAN HIT, if he would have been out for longer and Stuart would be suspended you woudl eat your words.

I think one way to do it is to really punish repeat offenders and in general ****** bags like cooke or tootoo with longer suspensions.

Edited by jollymania, 25 June 2010 - 02:20 PM.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 02:10 PM

What if Matt Cooke delivered the same kind of Savard hit on Bettman?

He might actually be useful for something worthwhile.





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