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#21 stevkrause

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE (DMAC 25 @ February 3, 2010 - 09:35AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i could see maybe edmonton or carolina, they both are doing bad this year and might want to add a few people with a little expierence

I think they'd both be good candidates, for some reason though, I just don't see the Wings ever dealing with Carolina due to the bad blood and the competitive nature of their owners...

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ February 3, 2010 - 09:21AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I more meant perennial basement dwellers, which they have been... and even this year, they're not exactly lighting the world ablaze, they're in 11th place in the east...


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I agree that Atlanta (and the Islanders) are typically "basement dwellers," but it's a little misleading to say they're in 11th place.
They're mired in the playoff mix that is the Eastern Conference.
I'd say 1-5 are a lock for the playoffs, while Toronto and Carolina have little hope.

6-13 are separated by all of 5 points.

(Hmm... do we know of a certain other team that's stuck in a similar situation?)

Anyway, Atlanta is in the middle of this mess and can make the playoffs.
They've just got to get the right pieces for Kovalchuk to keep themselves in it.


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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 09:59 AM

QUOTE (e_prime @ February 3, 2010 - 09:44AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
6 Philadelphia Flyers 59

7 Montréal Canadiens 58

8 Tampa Bay Lightning 57

9 Florida Panthers 57

10 New York Rangers 57

11 Atlanta Thrashers 56

12 Boston Bruins 55

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I agree that Atlanta (and the Islanders) are typically "basement dwellers," but it's a little misleading to say they're in 11th place.
They're mired in the playoff mix that is the Eastern Conference.
I'd say 1-5 are a lock for the playoffs, while Toronto and Carolina have little hope.

6-13 are separated by all of 5 points.

(Hmm... do we know of a certain other team that's stuck in a similar situation?)

Anyway, Atlanta is in the middle of this mess and can make the playoffs.
They've just got to get the right pieces for Kovalchuk to keep themselves in it.

even with this said though, this still makes them a viable candidate - what do they have to lose by giving up a prospect and a late round pick to take a flier on Ville Leino and Brett Lebda... they get a speedy d-man on the back end that would be better than Popovic and a bare minimum, a good insurance in case of injury and take a chance on the untapped potential of Leino... they have tons of cap space, and both players would be very small hits for them...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

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Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 03 February 2010 - 10:26 AM

For anyone who thinks that no one in the league would be interested in what the Wings would be looking to move I need to point out that if Jason Blake and his terrible contract can be moved than anyone can be.

I live in Toronto and had to watch Blake on a regular basis. Honestly, in my opinion, he has the absolute worst contract in the league and brings very, very, very little to his team. Maybe he'll turn it around in Anaheim, maybe he won't. The point is he had next to no value and yet he was moved.

As much as some ppl on this forum may dislike guys like Meech, Lebda, Leino etc. there are other teams who see potential in them, who don't know all of their bad tendencies, who are willing to take chances. The fact is anyone can be moved in this league if the right deal comes along.


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Posted 03 February 2010 - 10:30 AM

QUOTE (mmamolo @ February 3, 2010 - 10:26AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For anyone who thinks that no one in the league would be interested in what the Wings would be looking to move I need to point out that if Jason Blake and his terrible contract can be moved than anyone can be.

I live in Toronto and had to watch Blake on a regular basis. Honestly, in my opinion, he has the absolute worst contract in the league and brings very, very, very little to his team. Maybe he'll turn it around in Anaheim, maybe he won't. The point is he had next to no value and yet he was moved.

As much as some ppl on this forum may dislike guys like Meech, Lebda, Leino etc. there are other teams who see potential in them, who don't know all of their bad tendencies, who are willing to take chances. The fact is anyone can be moved in this league if the right deal comes along.

exactly... especially a team with a glut of defensive minded, big, slower, d-men *cough* NYI *cough* could probably use someone like Lebda and he might even step up his game being relied on heavier...

I just think the Islanders are such a perfect trade partner, as it would be a pure win/win which is what all GM's shoot for...

Edited by stevkrause, 03 February 2010 - 10:30 AM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


#26 e_prime

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 11:21 AM

Sorry, I didn't mean to drag this off topic to a conversation about who's gonna make the playoffs or not.

...and you're absolutely right. I think these guys could be welcome additions to either of those clubs.
(Although I guess Lebda to the Isle would hurt just as much as him being a Red Wing.)

Lebda provides not only the offensive minded defenseman need but also playoff/cup winning experience.

The more and more I think about it, and as much as I'd love to get a scoring winger for them, we're getting picks for these guys not players.
By these guys I mean our expendables: Lebda, Meech, Leino.

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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE (e_prime @ February 3, 2010 - 11:21AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, I didn't mean to drag this off topic to a conversation about who's gonna make the playoffs or not.

...and you're absolutely right. I think these guys could be welcome additions to either of those clubs.
(Although I guess Lebda to the Isle would hurt just as much as him being a Red Wing.)

Lebda provides not only the offensive minded defenseman need but also playoff/cup winning experience.

The more and more I think about it, and as much as I'd love to get a scoring winger for them, we're getting picks for these guys not players.
By these guys I mean our expendables: Lebda, Meech, Leino.

exactly... we're capped out, so we can't really trade for players by this point, just prospects/picks...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 03 February 2010 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ February 3, 2010 - 10:30AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
exactly... especially a team with a glut of defensive minded, big, slower, d-men *cough* NYI *cough* could probably use someone like Lebda and he might even step up his game being relied on heavier...

I just think the Islanders are such a perfect trade partner, as it would be a pure win/win which is what all GM's shoot for...


You weren't kidding!!

Witt on waivers


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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE (e_prime @ February 3, 2010 - 12:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You weren't kidding!!

Witt on waivers

maybe I should go into the GM business, haha

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


#30 mmamolo

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (e_prime @ February 3, 2010 - 12:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You weren't kidding!!

Witt on waivers



If Witt weren't overpaid.....ha truth be told, I actually kind of like Witt, but obviously not for that cash.


Everyone here is right though. The Wings won't be trading for a roster player - as it stands right now. The only way that could really happen, in my opinion, is if Lilja can't come back and someone is willing to take some combination of May/Lein/Lebda or Meech for a roster player. Either way, we wouldnt receive much of a player in return for that. I think we'll most likely see some picks and/or prospects in return for what we may end up moving.

The only other way we'd get a roster player via trade is if we moved a current roster player which we all know rarely happens in Detroit (at least in the Holland era).

Besides, with all the guys who have returned from injury and with Franzen coming back soon I'm not entirely sure we need to add another roster player. Well, at least until thigns settle and we can see what our needs are.

I think our lines of:
Bertuzzi - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Franzen - Zetterberg - Cleary
Williams - Filppula - Miller
Draper - Helm - Eaves
or whatever other combos ppl like

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (mmamolo @ February 3, 2010 - 12:55PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Witt weren't overpaid.....ha truth be told, I actually kind of like Witt, but obviously not for that cash.


He's a feisty SOB. Have liked him in the games I've seen him play for the Isles, but seriously overpaid.
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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 03:42 PM

I personally don't see a team outside the bubble going after meech, leino, Lebda or May. If your outside looking in your looking for someone who is going to trade a difference maker more player-player trades if your outside looking in your not going to want to trade your prospect on a hope that the player being traded is going to make as big as difference as the possible prospect. That being said its a excellent opportunity for a one of the top 8 team in the NHL to maybe add someone with some playoff experience for really nothing. Like maybe Buffalo. The teams in the top of the league know Detroit need to get rid of players and are looking only at cap space this team can afford to give up prospects if the trade has the potential to strengthen them for there playoff run. Especially player that have played in a few playoffs in there time and have been successful. So I am thinking more successful team will be the team looking to trade with Detroit potentially big reward at a rather tiny cost without disrupting there current lineup.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 10:25 AM

QUOTE (funguy21 @ February 3, 2010 - 03:42PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I personally don't see a team outside the bubble going after meech, leino, Lebda or May. If your outside looking in your looking for someone who is going to trade a difference maker more player-player trades if your outside looking in your not going to want to trade your prospect on a hope that the player being traded is going to make as big as difference as the possible prospect. That being said its a excellent opportunity for a one of the top 8 team in the NHL to maybe add someone with some playoff experience for really nothing. Like maybe Buffalo. The teams in the top of the league know Detroit need to get rid of players and are looking only at cap space this team can afford to give up prospects if the trade has the potential to strengthen them for there playoff run. Especially player that have played in a few playoffs in there time and have been successful. So I am thinking more successful team will be the team looking to trade with Detroit potentially big reward at a rather tiny cost without disrupting there current lineup.

The only problem with this train of thought, is that teams competing will be looking for guys to make an impact, not necessarily "role players" or projects for their case(ie Leino, Lebda) and are most likely up against the cap anyway and will need to make a player for player trade, which Detroit can't do... I think a lower level team would be more likely to bring in guys with potential(Leino) or experience(Lebda) and give up LOW level prospects(keep in mind, I'm not talking gems here) for immediate return...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 04 February 2010 - 03:37 PM

I have no reasoning for saying this but I think Minnesota. Just what I feel.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (superstarsingh @ February 4, 2010 - 03:37PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have no reasoning for saying this but I think Minnesota. Just what I feel.

I guess it's possible... Mikko Koivu and Leino may work well together, as they're countrymen, with somewhat similar styles and they could use some speed on the back end with Lebda... aren't they already dangerously close to the cap though?

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 04 February 2010 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ February 4, 2010 - 03:43PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess it's possible... Mikko Koivu and Leino may work well together, as they're countrymen, with somewhat similar styles and they could use some speed on the back end with Lebda... aren't they already dangerously close to the cap though?

I think they are close to the ceiling. They seem to enjoy the Finnish. Perhaps that's why I thought of them.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 03:47 PM

Minny:

OVERALL SUMMARY
Allowable salary through 126 days $37,081,865
Salary through 126 days $37,479,699
Salary less bonuses through 126 days $36,986,798
LTI exemption through 126 days $0
Remaining salary over 67 days $19,908,440
Remaining LTI exemption over 67 days $1,416,373
Salary cap $56,800,000
Projected final cap number $55,971,766
Potential performance bonuses $755,000
Cushioned projected final $55,216,766
Cap space $1,583,234
Acquisition space (full-season cap hit) $4,560,659
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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 03:53 PM

Hmm, maybe they could take Leino.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 09:07 PM

St. Louis seems to fit your idea of a team looking to add experience. Think they'd want to part with impending UFA Colaiacovo as a Wings sixth/seventh defenceman?

The next time we're in the mood for a scrappy, speedy forward, I want Dallas' Brian Sutherby at $812,000.

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (stevkrause @ February 2, 2010 - 12:48PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With the numbers crunch we will be in soon and the fact that Holland probably doesn't want to waive/lose guys for nothing, I thought this was actually a decent topic for debate...

I shouldn't have expected anything more than stupid replies and smart-ass comments from this board.

my mistake.


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