2010 NHL Trade Deadline Thread - March 3rd, 3:00 PM ET

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I specifically got bummed with the Poni deal. Look around pages 4-6 of the other trade deadline thread.

Dealing guys like Lebda doesn't count, IMHO. Of course I wouldn't mind him being moved, but you made it sound (in this thread) like you wanted to dump picks/prospects, rather than guys like Lebda. Losing Abdelkader wouldn't be the worst loss, but it'll also be interesting to see if he can become a Draper-esque player in the next few years.

Now, losing guys like Lebda and Abdelkader plus a pick to supplement some goal-scoring depth up front probably isn't going to make or break this season. I'm not going to get into Holland's comment about Franzen, Lilja and Kronwall being our trade deadline acquisitions, but I will say that the guys that needed to step up in their absence will be more effective now that the pressure is off and they're playing against lower line talent.

Lastly, while it's obvious depth is one of the most important components to winning a cup, I'm just not sure one guy like Poni is enough to equate to much of a difference at all.

Now, the Williams signing.....I agree with. Injured or not this season, I don't think he would've done anything worth his $1.5 million like Bert has. Now that being said, we also need to keep in mind that its not as simple as his $1.5 equaling a $5 million player. Adding a guy like that doesn't just cost money, it cost prospects/picks that the Wings really don't have a ton of right now.

[Guest Crymson]

I cant write it all again. Please see my rant on the other thread

Yeah, and it was just as silly there. Holland's job is to run a good team and a good business, not to respond to those few fans who mindlessly trade deadlines purely for their own transient excitement.

Edited March 3, 2010 by Crymson

[ShanahanMan 473]

I know, the Loss of Hossa/Hudler/Sammy/etc make no difference at all, we shouldn't do anything. We were there before and lost, let's just roll into the playoffs with what we have . Hell let's lose Lebda/Meech for nothing to ala Quincey because that is a brilliant plan; I mean we did make the finals 2x and they won gold in the olympics so obviously they can do no wrong.

How about you look 30min north and ask the Pistons how the keeping just the core together worked out for them.

Dude, I think you quoted the wrong poster. He's on your side.......

[RedWingAbner 13]

I know, the Loss of Hossa/Hudler/Sammy/etc make no difference at all, we shouldn't do anything. We were there before and lost, let's just roll into the playoffs with what we have . Hell let's lose Lebda/Meech for nothing to ala Quincey because that is a brilliant plan; I mean we did make the finals 2x and they won gold in the olympics so obviously they can do no wrong.

How about you look 30min north and ask the Pistons how the keeping just the core together worked out for them.

Just to clarify--as I agree that we need something--was that a rhetorical "look north" or specifically directed at me?

[ShanahanMan 473]

Yeah, and it was just as silly there. Holland's job is to run a good team and a good business, not to respond to those few fans who mindlessly trade deadlines purely for their own transient excitement.

You obviously haven't listened to a god damn word I've said. I'm done explaining myself to you. *Sigh*.....in one ear and out the other with some people.

[RedWingAbner 13]

You obviously haven't listened to a god damn word I've said. I'm done explaining myself to you. *Sigh*.....in one ear and out the other with some people.

I am surprised that the "Ken Holland obviously knows more about hockey than you" argument hasn't been trotted out yet today.

[ben_usmc 253]

Dude, I think you quoted the wrong poster. He's on your side.......

I know I was agreeing with him, reinforcing

[Guest Crymson]

Dealing guys like Lebda doesn't count, IMHO. Of course I wouldn't mind him being moved, but you made it sound (in this thread) like you wanted to dump picks/prospects, rather than guys like Lebda. Losing Abdelkader wouldn't be the worst loss, but it'll also be interesting to see if he can become a Draper-esque player in the next few years.

Now, losing guys like Lebda and Abdelkader plus a pick to supplement some goal-scoring depth up front probably isn't going to make or break this season. I'm not going to get into Holland's comment about Franzen, Lilja and Kronwall being our trade deadline acquisitions, but I will say that the guys that needed to step up in their absence will be more effective now that the pressure is off and they're playing against lower line talent.

Lastly, while it's obvious depth is one of the most important components to winning a cup, I'm just not sure one guy like Poni is enough to equate to much of a difference at all.

Now, the Williams signing.....I agree with. Injured or not this season, I don't think he would've done anything worth his $1.5 million like Bert has. Now that being said, we also need to keep in mind that its not as simple as his $1.5 equaling a $5 million player. Adding a guy like that doesn't just cost money, it cost prospects/picks that the Wings really don't have a ton of right now.

But I want an Oompa-Loompa NOW, daddy!!!!

[ben_usmc 253]

Just to clarify--as I agree that we need something--was that a rhetorical "look north" or specifically directed at me?

no I was supporting your point

[RedWingAbner 13]

no I was supporting your point

Excellent. You, Shanahanman and I can start the fire Hol.....

I've said too much already.

[ben_usmc 253]

But I want an Oompa-Loompa NOW, daddy!!!!

So you think we should lose Lebda for nothing this summer then? You think we can actually contend for the SC with this roster? Get off Hollands nuts and realize he's human and will make mistakes.

[ben_usmc 253]

Excellent. You, Shanahanman and I can start the fire Hol.....

I've said too much already.

hahaha, it's blasphemy for some on here to question any decision holland/babcock/ or ozzie make. We may have to go down as martyrs for such thoughts.

[ben_usmc 253]

But I want an Oompa-Loompa NOW, daddy!!!!

or we can stand still as the worlds pass us by, CHANGE IS BAD!

[redeyedwings 2]

If anyone is interested, here are the trades analyzed in haiku form.

http://thegamesheet.com/?p=232

I enjoyed this one:

Carolina Hurricanes trade Aaron Ward to Anaheim Ducks for Justin Pogge and a draft pick:

Time is a river

Somewhere back there down the banks

Is Pogge’s career

Anyway, not expecting Kenny to do much, but I'm hoping San Jose trades for another player who doesn't enjoy showing up for big games...

[RedWingAbner 13]

hahaha, it's blasphemy for some on here to question any decision holland/babcock/ or ozzie make. We may have to go down as martyrs for such thoughts.

To some, you can't be a fan of the Red Wings and question the braintrust. Sometimes I have to trust that Holland has a brain.

Ba-dum-pish.

[BigTex 1]

I'd be fine if we just traded Ledba for futures or picks. He's a healthy scratch now and doesn't play into the current plans at all. In case of injury we've got plenty of depth at D in the system. there's nothing wrong with making the organization stronger in the long term, that's how the Wings have been so good for so long. It would be better to do that than to lose him for nothing.

[Guest Crymson]

So you think we should lose Lebda for nothing this summer then? You think we can actually contend for the SC with this roster? Get off Hollands nuts and realize he's human and will make mistakes.

Do you think anyone actually wants Lebda? He's a defenseman who is below-average in both the offensive and defensive zones and has no physical upside, and he's always a candidate to be a healthy scratch if all defensemen are healthy.

It has always been odd to me that the same people who consistently talk about Lebda being terrible also who think that some others teams will want him.

Yes, I think we can contend with this roster.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Scott Walker to WSH

[RedWingAbner 13]

Do you think anyone actually wants Lebda? He's a defenseman who is below-average in both the offensive and defensive zones and has no physical upside, and he's always a candidate to be a healthy scratch if all defensemen are healthy.

It has always been odd to me that the same people who consistently talk about Lebda being terrible also who think that some others teams will want him.

Yes, I think we can contend with this roster.

People who follow a team tend to see the bad moreso than the good. Every player that gets dealt has people who hate him. Lebda is better than some things other teams have. For instance, veneral disease. He is much better than VD.

[RedWingAbner 13]

Walker for a 7th! Thank GOD we have Kenny hanging on to those 7th round picks to rebuild this team! YESSSSSSSS!

[ben_usmc 253]

Do you think anyone actually wants Lebda? He's a defenseman who is below-average in both the offensive and defensive zones and has no physical upside, and he's always a candidate to be a healthy scratch if all defensemen are healthy.

It has always been odd to me that the same people who consistently talk about Lebda being terrible also who think that some others teams will want him.

Yes, I think we can contend with this roster.

If you don't even think we could get a 5th for Lebda you are crazy, for one he has more playoff experience then a lot of players. Second do you think teams never trade for bottom pairing defenseman or something, is it go big or go home with every trade. You're wrong if you don't think we could get anything for Lebda.

Edited March 3, 2010 by ben_usmc

[edicius 3,269]

People who follow a team tend to see the bad moreso than the good. Every player that gets dealt has people who hate him. Lebda is better than some things other teams have. For instance, veneral disease. He is much better than VD.

Eh, I don't know. That all depends on how you contracted the VD in the first place.

[ben_usmc 253]

Walker for a 7th! Thank GOD we have Kenny hanging on to those 7th round picks to rebuild this team! YESSSSSSSS!

couldn't have happened according to cymson the only trades that can be made are for Hossa or top six type players. Never depth......

[BigTex 1]

Do you think anyone actually wants Lebda? He's a defenseman who is below-average in both the offensive and defensive zones and has no physical upside, and he's always a candidate to be a healthy scratch if all defensemen are healthy.

It has always been odd to me that the same people who consistently talk about Lebda being terrible also who think that some others teams will want him.

Yes, I think we can contend with this roster.

I think the mistake in some arguements made here is that trading Lebda would bolster our roster. You wouldn't get anyone worth putting in our top 6 forwards unless he was paired up with a nice pick. I don't think anyone would want to lose a pick that high for a rental.

Being realistic you could probably get a 6th or 7th round pick for Ledba, which might equal something worthwhile if you pair it with another pick to trade up.

90% of how the Wings do this spring will rely on how J-Ho responds to his first playoff action. I really don't think adding any players would make a difference one way or another. The Wings success will hinge on his play. So for me, the trade deadline really isn't something worth tracking from a Wings perspective. I'm more looking at it as a hockey fan more than as a Wings fan.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

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March 3, 2010

Washington Acquires: (F) Scott Walker

Carolina Acquires: 7th-Round Pick