Sergei Fedorov91 24 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 What a bunch of busch league bulls***. It's not like these things come around all the time. It wasn't even friggin close. Can they overturn these kind of things? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Can't let it go. Tigers goggles off for a second here.... Worst call in baseball history! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwfan007 18 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 if he was obviously safe, but the ump called him out to seal a perfect game, the losing team would be a little angry, but thats it. The opposite happened here and it is infinitely worse. This kid pitched a hell of a game and was gunna be the first perfect game in tigers history, but that dips*** in blue will need the secret service to get him out of detroit tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sergei Fedorov91 24 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 If he threw Miguel out for yapping at him I wonder if he would've made it out of the ballpark injury free Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Well atleast we can say that there are bad calls in every sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Third Man In 2,091 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I don't get why the umpires didn't huddle up after that call. On one hand, it's a little embarrassing to have your call overruled, but it would have saved him from baseball infamy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Third Man In 2,091 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Some of Jim Joyce's comments after the game: "I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay." "It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989. "I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Is Joyce an NHL referee in disguise? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tr!PoD#19 524 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Tragic. I hope the MLB gets something right for once, and overturns this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ToMaToToWnWinGsFaN_24 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) god damnit... worst call in the history of baseball...jim joyce should be at LEAST fined....not fired..i mean..i can understand if that was in a playoff game or even the world series..but its just the start of the season...despite if history was about to take place..he made the wrong call but theres no need to get all fire eyed. and even so joyce apologized after the game and also gave galarraga a hug. here is the full article: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100602&content_id=10727590&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb the clip is also shown Edited June 3, 2010 by ToMaToToWnWinGsFaN_24 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 At least you were not at the game and had to see it in person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ToMaToToWnWinGsFaN_24 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 ill bet you were one of the many thousands of fans that wanted to go after joyce then.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Is Joyce an NHL referee in disguise? NO! An NHL ref would never man up enough to admit they made a mistake. When's the last time one them apologized to Homer for reversing a good goal? I have a lot of respect for this guy for admitting he made a mistake - most umps/refs would never do that. Life lesson - you make an honest mistake, come out and admit it and the consequences will be better than if you try to hide it. This guy has no reason to be ashamed - it happened. He didn't commit a crime, it's just a baseball game in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 They have to overturn Joyce's call. This is something so sacred to baseball that was ripped away, and all sides are seeing it the same way. Joyce admitted it was bad afterward, the Tigers obviously, fans from all over the world are in upheaval online, the NYY and Cardinals managers both say it should be overturned. When has a call garnished this much negative attention? 1 heinz57 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper84 333 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I wish the NHL could be more like this guy and admit their mistake. I've never really followed baseball much, but after I heard what this umpire had to say and read the stuff I did, I gained a lot of respect for that league. NHL needs to take a page out of their book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I'm starting to like the trade that sent Granderson to NY for Jackson. This kid is a phenom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 http://mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20100603&content_id=10760448&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb I don't see last night's call getting overturned, but they did say that they will consider replays in baseball. Maybe some good will come from last night afterall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) Bud Selig can't overturn the call and he shouldn't. Now, lest someone here tell me I'm saying that because I'm not a Tigers fan, that's not the reason. There have been TONS of s*** calls in the history of baseball that either gave a team a win or cost them the game, gave a pitcher a no-no/perfecto or took one away. You can't undo what's been done, even if the idea of that sucks more than a hooker when the rent's due. Joyce screwed up and at least he admitted he screwed up and his taking is lumps like a grown-up, but the league's hands are tied. The only time I've ever heard of an on-field decision being overturned was the pine tar game between the Royals and the Yankees in 1983, but that was a because of poor interpretation of a lesser-known rule in the books, not a judgment call on a ball/strike or safe/out. Besides, how many times do you think your team has benefited from the ump blowing a call? Trust me, the Yankees have had a few games go into the win column that shouldn't have because the ump made the wrong call on the other team. Jeffrey Maier, anyone? Edited June 3, 2010 by Electrophile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 4, 2010 Bud Selig can't overturn the call and he shouldn't. Now, lest someone here tell me I'm saying that because Actually false, he is the only one that could have, but he won't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted June 4, 2010 Actually false, he is the only one that could have, but he won't. He won't because he can't -- the precedent for doing so isn't there and he's not going to do something that could potentially cause more problems and controversy than it solves. I hate defending the douchebag, but he's in the right here. Everyone wanting the call to be overturned has no clue what kind of Pandora's box you're opening up if it happens. And I'm saying this as someone whose team would also benefit from s*** calls being overturned. If it had been done before and Selig still refused, that would be different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted June 4, 2010 He won't because he can't -- the precedent for doing so isn't there and he's not going to do something that could potentially cause more problems and controversy than it solves. I hate defending the douchebag, but he's in the right here. Everyone wanting the call to be overturned has no clue what kind of Pandora's box you're opening up if it happens. And I'm saying this as someone whose team would also benefit from s*** calls being overturned. If it had been done before and Selig still refused, that would be different. There is a first for everything isn't there? What exactly would it do to over turn it? 3 perfect games in less than half a season is monumental. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ToMaToToWnWinGsFaN_24 Report post Posted June 4, 2010 There is a first for everything isn't there? What exactly would it do to over turn it? 3 perfect games in less than half a season is monumental. it wouldve been truly amazing if that happened. its only the beginning of the season too. who knows there could be like 100 perfect games by the end of this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Third Man In 2,091 Report post Posted June 4, 2010 He won't because he can't -- the precedent for doing so isn't there and he's not going to do something that could potentially cause more problems and controversy than it solves. I hate defending the douchebag, but he's in the right here. Everyone wanting the call to be overturned has no clue what kind of Pandora's box you're opening up if it happens. And I'm saying this as someone whose team would also benefit from s*** calls being overturned. If it had been done before and Selig still refused, that would be different. I've been hearing this argument for the past 24 hours and I still think it's ridiculous. First, there is precident: the 1908 Merkle game and the 1983 Pine Tar game. Hell, the league retroactively took away two perfect games and 48 no hitters in 1991, so there's no reason they couldn't retroactively award one now. Second, I don't buy the Pandora's box or slippery slope arguments for all sorts of reasons: The Tigers, the Indians, Jim Joyce, Jason Donald, and anyone who saw the replay agree it was the wrong call. The play happened on the 27th out, so there's no argument that it affects the course of the rest of the game as it would if it happened in the 6th inning--particularly since Galarraga got the 28th out as well. Overturning this doesn't change who won or lost the game; it takes one hit away from Donald and it gives Galarraga the official recognition for the perfect game everyone knows he pitched. The situation is so unique that it in no way opens the Pandora's box of having to go back and overturn every missed call in MLB history as some have proposed. Selig also has the precedent of the 'best interest of the game' clause, which is met so clearly here in a way that overturning the vast majority of bad calls is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted June 4, 2010 I really wish people wouldn't use the Pine Tar game as evidence for why Selig should overturn Joyce's call. The two situations are in no way similar, nor did they employ the same metrics. Joyce was in error on a judgment call. Safe/out; fair/foul; ball/strike. The umps in the Yankees/Royals game that threw out Brett's HR had poorly interpreted a rule in the books about the amount of wood on a baseball bat legally allowed to be covered in pine tar. The rules said X number of inches, the umps looked at the bat, thought it exceeded it, disallowed the HR. Later, the bat was looked at again and it was determined that Brett in fact had NOT broken the rule. So the AL President, not the commissioner, restored the HR and the game was resumed from that point and the Royals ended up winning that game. That's not the same thing as what happened in the Tigers/Indians game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ToMaToToWnWinGsFaN_24 Report post Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) wooo jays got a nice win today agains the yankees! edit: jeez this games 4 hours long... and with that the Jays win! what a game! Edited June 5, 2010 by ToMaToToWnWinGsFaN_24 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
