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#221 LeftWinger

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Serapth @ March 1, 2010 - 05:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you seriously implying that Crosby's success is simply a matter of luck and being at the right place at the right time and that he hasn't faced real competition?
If this is the case, you really are letting your hatred delude you. Say what you will, but you can't lead a team to the Stanley cup and then win Olympic gold, not to mention the scoring title, without more than a small bit of talent.

Frankly, you just sound kinda dumb, especially trying to draw parallels between McCarty and Crosby!

The question was, did Crysby's game winning goal all of a sudden earn my respect for him as a player. NO, Hell NO... First of all he did not LEAD a team to the Stanley Cup, if anyone (other than Bettman) did, Malkin did. He was virtually non-exsistant in that game and most of the tourney and was in the right place and the right time to score the game winner. Nothing he did in that tourney made me change my mind about him, he still is too big of a prissy, crybaby, diving idiot to earn my respect. Until he changes that in his game, then he gets none from me. And oh, wiping his nose then shaking hands with the USA in the first game, thats VERY respectable.... He's a ****** whom Canada should be ashamed of. Cannot wait until the amateurs get back into this tourney.....

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 06:32 PM

I do not share the blind hatred that some on this board display, but the answer to the OP question is a resounding NO, scoring the GWG in OT in the gold-medal game does little if anything to improve his image in my eyes. Is he a talented hockey player? Yes, no one can rationally deny that. Does he receive a lot of media attention? Yes, again no one can rationally argue that. Has he earned the amount of attention he receives? Not yet IMO, but winning the Cup and now the Gold go a long way in that respect. Does he display a lack of humility and respect for his opponents at times? Yes, many here can give specific examples, and while that is not the only reason I dislike him, it is one of the biggest.

That being said, I do not dislike him any more or less than other players who have similar attitudes, and I doubt anything will change that, but I am not jaded or deluded enough to actually think he is not one of the best players of his generation and may go down in history as one of the greatest of all time, but that does not mean I have to like him, nor do I expect others to agree or disagree with me, this is the internet and everyone has an opinion.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE (mindfly @ March 1, 2010 - 12:21PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would love crosby if he stopped the whining on&off the ice and stopped being so boring and predictable with the media.. come on lad say something out of the ordinary! just once please... and why does he live with Lemieux when he's 22 and makes almost 9million per year?



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Posted 01 March 2010 - 07:09 PM

One goal won't change my perception, no matter the situation. And it didn't help that the camera was on him permanently from when that goal was scored for the next 30 minutes.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE (thegerkin @ March 1, 2010 - 07:09PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One goal won't change my perception, no matter the situation. And it didn't help that the camera was on him permanently from when that goal was scored for the next 30 minutes.


That is a different conversation... I mean, I don't think you will find someone that doesnt think there was too much coverage of Crosby ( and Ovechkin ). But, you can't blame a player for that.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (LeftWinger @ March 1, 2010 - 05:43PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hysterical.gif Ya, invisible the entire tourney and he is in the right place at the right time!!! That's like saying McCarty was all-world for his goal against Philly waaaaay back in 1997...

He'll earn my respect when you stops diving, whining, crying, bitching, moaning, smacking his lips when he interviews and actually outplays REAL stars in the NHL. I would Choose Malkin or Staal ocver him ANYDAY!


Eric Staal? Please tell me why...

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Serapth @ March 1, 2010 - 06:50PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, Crosby is very similar in many ways to Yzerman when Yzerman broke into the league. I know many of you aren't old enough to remember those days, but he was touted as the next greatest thing to save hockey, the golden boy to break Gretzkys records and was the face of hockey, like it or not. I remember seeing Yzermans face plastered on just about every fast food container you could buy and frankly, it took a few years for Yzerman to mature. I have nothing but the highest respect for Yzerman now, but I sure didn't when he debuted. Thing is, Yzerman has almost 20 years more experience at this point than Crosby.



Me too. I'm old enough to remember Yerman being a crappy captain (but without all of the potential of a Crosby). The kid is 22. I remember how I was at 22 - Sid seems to be a better person and he can play pretty good hockey:)
"It was pretty interesting," said Detroit coach Mike Babcock. "We had May in exhibition for a couple of games and no one gets hacked or whacked. When we don't have him, we get run. We don't have a team that twists off helmets at stoppages. You get tired of seeing it all the time. It's just nice when you get someone to look after that stuff."

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (b.shanafan14 @ February 28, 2010 - 06:27PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much this. The OP said himself, the little bastard was invisible most of the tournament. He was in the right place at the right time, lucky as f***. Canada didn't win because of Sidney Crosby, he was the last one of the scoresheet, it really could have been anyone.

I hate that either way, if Canada won it was going to be about Crosby, this couldn't have made it any worse. Like after Pitt won the cup, you didn't hear about Conn Smythe winner Malkin or Maxime Talbot, it was the Sidney Crosby show. You honestly think this was going to make people love the biggest whiny brat in the league?

Half of the problem with Sid is the exposure to the point of nausea, now it's only going to get worse.
Ditto. Cannot believe he scored the winner. Murphy's Law strikes again.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Doc Holliday @ March 1, 2010 - 07:53PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eric Staal? Please tell me why...

No Jordan Staal, because he is a better two-way player, actually hits, doesn't whine or cry, and was one of the ONLY Penguins that I enjoyed watching last Finals. Oh BTW, he and Hossa were the only Pens to not complain about obstruction in 2008 as well...

Crysby may be the poster boy for that team, but Malkin and Staal are the work horses behind it. Much like Obama, poster boy, but doesn't run crap, there are far smarter minds behind running the free world...

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:20 PM

QUOTE (LeftWinger @ March 1, 2010 - 09:18PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No Jordan Staal, because he is a better two-way player, actually hits, doesn't whine or cry, and was one of the ONLY Penguins that I enjoyed watching last Finals. Oh BTW, he and Hossa were the only Pens to not complain about obstruction in 2008 as well...


Steve Yzerman says that Crosby is the best player on the team. You say otherwise. I can't decide who to believe.
"It was pretty interesting," said Detroit coach Mike Babcock. "We had May in exhibition for a couple of games and no one gets hacked or whacked. When we don't have him, we get run. We don't have a team that twists off helmets at stoppages. You get tired of seeing it all the time. It's just nice when you get someone to look after that stuff."

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE (micah @ March 1, 2010 - 08:20PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Steve Yzerman says that Crosby is the best player on the team. You say otherwise. I can't decide who to believe.


Not only Yzerman, but look at this gem I've found.

http://www.post-gaze...1039404-123.stm



Ryan Getzlaf.

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"That's Sid for you," Canada forward Ryan Getzlaf said. "There's a reason he's the best player in the world. He always shows up in those big moments and scores those big goals."


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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:29 PM

QUOTE (LeftWinger @ March 1, 2010 - 08:18PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No Jordan Staal, because he is a better two-way player, actually hits, doesn't whine or cry, and was one of the ONLY Penguins that I enjoyed watching last Finals. Oh BTW, he and Hossa were the only Pens to not complain about obstruction in 2008 as well...

Crysby may be the poster boy for that team, but Malkin and Staal are the work horses behind it. Much like Obama, poster boy, but doesn't run crap, there are far smarter minds behind running the free world...


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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE (Carman @ March 1, 2010 - 09:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not only Yzerman, but look at this gem I've found.

http://www.post-gaze...1039404-123.stm



Ryan Getzlaf.

Yeah, but maybe Getz didn't consider the well-thought-out arguments of LGW analysts.
"It was pretty interesting," said Detroit coach Mike Babcock. "We had May in exhibition for a couple of games and no one gets hacked or whacked. When we don't have him, we get run. We don't have a team that twists off helmets at stoppages. You get tired of seeing it all the time. It's just nice when you get someone to look after that stuff."

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (Serapth @ March 1, 2010 - 05:50PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, Crosby is very similar in many ways to Yzerman when Yzerman broke into the league. I know many of you aren't old enough to remember those days, but he was touted as the next greatest thing to save hockey, the golden boy to break Gretzkys records and was the face of hockey, like it or not. I remember seeing Yzermans face plastered on just about every fast food container you could buy and frankly, it took a few years for Yzerman to mature. I have nothing but the highest respect for Yzerman now, but I sure didn't when he debuted. Thing is, Yzerman has almost 20 years more experience at this point than Crosby.


I am no Crosby fan, but I think he did an admirable job couping with an unrealistic level of pressure put on his shoulders by the likes of Hockey Canada and Gary Butthead.

WTF? Yzerman was NEVER touted to be the next greatest thing to save hockey, EVER. He was a after thought draft pick when LaFontaine was taken by the Islanders. If he was supposed to be the next Gretzky, he would've gone first overall instead of Brian Lawton. Crysby has played in a post lock-out, no obstruction era of Hockey, along with some pretty great talent on his team. Who did Yzerman have on his team when he was scoring 60 goals? Exactly! Gerard Gallant was the next best player. Plus Yzerman played in whole different NHL along with the two greatest players to ever play the game in Gretzky and Lemeiux. Even while being "Number 3 With A Bullet" (that's for those of you who remember the SI article) he was NEVER touted to be anything better than #3. The first time you ever heard "The Next One" is when Eric Lindros was drafted. Then you heard, Fedorov, the Russian Greatzky, Selanne, the Finnish Gretzky, etc, etc...

Took how many years for Yzerman to mature? Yzerman was tearing up the league until his neck injury in 1994 (the year Fedorov won Hart and Selke) and was nearly traded to Ottawa in that off season by Bowman. Bowman took him aside after Ilitch nixt that trade and told him you have one more chance to play my way or its the highway, that is when he became a Selke-Type player.

You said you didn't have respect for him when he debuted, but at the time, there wasn't much respect for the Wings all-together. You look at their number 1 picks for the previous few years and couple that along with their continuous ineptness, there was no reason to think another high draft pick was going to change that. But, me being old enough to remember Steve when he first played here, he may not have scored over 100 points as a rookie (although 87 wasn't too bad for that era) GURANTEE he didn't dive, whine and cray as much as the Golden Boy did in his first couple of season's. Comparing Crysby to Yzerman is like comparing Gretzky to Howe, two different types of NHL, I would LOVE to see a 22 year old Gretzky, Lemeiux or Yzerman in today's NHL, you be saying Crysby who?

If and when Crysby passes Yzerman in points and awards and Stanley Cups, then MAYBE we can talk about comparisons, but still put Crysby in the league circa 1988 and he isn't half the player he is in todays NHL.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:50 PM

This is what I don't get.

I understand hating Crosby for his attitude, interviews etc.

But to say Jordan Staal is better?

I mean I can't even fathom how you could talk yourself into believe it.

I was listening to 97.1 tonight, and hearing the radio guy say he doesn't even have Crosby in his top 10 for current players.

This is what is unbelievable to me, I had much more faith in this fan base. Obviously there are going to be a few bad apples here and there but come on Detroit. You are better than this.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:53 PM

He has always had my respect as far as being a great player. I just get sick of hearing how great he is and seeing him on tv when there are players just as good if not better. Not to mention the non hand shake was pretty lame.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Doc Holliday @ March 1, 2010 - 08:29PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Thank you for the laugh.

I am glad to have amused you. Staal is a +16, Crysby a +9. Crysby has 42 goals, Staal 16, with 42 goals if you were a great two-way player, you have a much better +/- than only +9. The last time Yzerman was near 42 was in 2000 with 35 goals and finish with a +28. In direct comparison, Ovechkin has 42 goals and is a +43! I think it's obvious who is a one way player and who is a two-way player. For $4MM, Jordan Staal is MUCH better than Crysby at $9MM, for the money, a team full of Staal type players would be more successful than a team full of Crysby type players...

But go ahead, laugh out loud. You can have you 42 goals while giving up 33, I'll take 16 goals while giving up 0...


edit: Not to mention out own Datsyuk, who last year had 32 and was a +34 and as that argument will forever go on here, a team full of Datsyuk destroys a team for of Crysby's... two-way ALWAYS beats ONE-WAY

Edited by LeftWinger, 01 March 2010 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:59 PM

Using +/- as stat to judge defensive play is hilarious.

If Ovechkin was as good defensively as you say he is, he wouldn't have cherry picked all Olympics.

Not to mention Jeff Schultz is apparently the best defenseman in the league now.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (LeftWinger @ March 1, 2010 - 09:56PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am glad to have amused you. Staal is a +16, Crysby a +9. Crysby has 42 goals, Staal 16, with 42 goals if you were a great two-way player, you have a much better +/- than only +9. The last time Yzerman was near 42 was in 2000 with 35 goals and finish with a +28. In direct comparison, Ovechkin has 42 goals and is a +43! I think it's obvious who is a one way player and who is a two-way player. For $4MM, Jordan Staal is MUCH better than Crysby at $9MM, for the money, a team full of Staal type players would be more successful than a team full of Crysby type players...

But go ahead, laugh out loud. You can have you 42 goals while giving up 33, I'll take 16 goals while giving up 0...


edit: Not to mention out own Datsyuk, who last year had 32 and was a +34 and as that argument will forever go on here, a team full of Datsyuk destroys a team for of Crysby's... two-way ALWAYS beats ONE-WAY

God you're an idiot

you're implying Ovechkin is better than Crosby when it comes to two-way hockey

that's just laughable get the f*** outta here haha

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 09:22 PM

isn't it funny how stats don't mean s*** unless it pertains to the player you are pining for? Why was Vladdy one of the best defensmen in 1996? Points? No he was a +60, which led the league, that is why he was considered one of the best the short time he was playing, because of his defensive play. I'll take a team full of Staal's with one Ovechkin and win tons more Cups than your Crysby team....

BTW, you get the f*** out of here.... lets see Crysby play ANYWHERE near the game Ovechkin plays, Crysby would hit anyone with his tampon, and if he did, he would cry about being one who falls...

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