Please explain the crease rule to me in 2010

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

While the officials of course aren't purposefully against the Red Wings, phantom interference calls - I don't care what the player or team is - are absolutely absurd and just so inconsistently judged. Especially when the person who commits it basically just breathes on the goaltender and you don't even actually get a penalty/2:00 minor for it. Either he interfered, or he didn't. None of this in-between bulls**t.

Of course referees have hard jobs and make mistakes. I was a sports official in basketball and soccer for some club leagues for a while when I was in college. I certainly wasn't perfect and gained a respect for what officials typically have to deal with in any sport. But the first game I ever officiated in basketball, looking back on it now the way I handled it - I'd be fired I did such an awful job and tried to interpret something to justify the rules my way. I'd want to rip my own head off if I was a player in the game or a fan that game.

I can tolerate a missed call on a hook here or there or whatever as it happens. I cannot tolerate officials being incompetent or rules that are left open for ridiculous amounts of interpretation or that can be changed/modified as officials see fit, especially when you can easily review stuff like this given technology today, like what I described above for myself or phantom interference calls that actually do not happen and when you know the goals should still count or intent to blow the whistle crap. Either he interfered or he didn't, and either you blew your whistle in time before the puck crossed the line, or you didn't.

Officials aren't against the Wings, but they pull some bogus crap out their rear ends sometimes and some rules need major modifications.

[Guest micah]

While the officials of course aren't purposefully against the Red Wings, phantom interference calls - I don't care what the player or team is - are absolutely absurd and just so inconsistently judged. Especially when the person who commits it basically just breathes on the goaltender and you don't even actually get a penalty/2:00 minor for it. Either he interfered, or he didn't. None of this in-between bulls**t.

Of course referees have hard jobs and make mistakes. I was a sports official in basketball and soccer for some club leagues for a while when I was in college. I certainly wasn't perfect and gained a respect for what officials typically have to deal with in any sport. But the first game I ever officiated in basketball, looking back on it now the way I handled it - I'd be fired I did such an awful job and tried to interpret something to justify the rules my way. I'd want to rip my own head off if I was a player in the game or a fan that game.

I can tolerate a missed call on a hook here or there or whatever as it happens. I cannot tolerate officials being incompetent or rules that are left open for ridiculous amounts of interpretation or that can be changed/modified as officials see fit, especially when you can easily review stuff like this given technology today, like what I described above for myself or phantom interference calls that actually do not happen and when you know the goals should still count or intent to blow the whistle crap. Either he interfered or he didn't, and either you blew your whistle in time before the puck crossed the line, or you didn't.

Officials aren't against the Wings, but they pull some bogus crap out their rear ends sometimes and some rules need major modifications.

Agreed 100%. Almost.

I'm okay with "intent to blow" staying as it is.

I agree that if there is enough interference in the oppinion of the ref to disallow a goal, there is enough interefernce to earn 2 minutes in the box.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Do you really believe that Gary Bettman and "the NHL"(whover that might consist of) are either conspiring against the Wings or are aware of officials conspiring against the wings and refuse to do anything about it?

Yes.

[Guest micah]

Yes.

You figure Ilitch is in on it? What about Nill? Yzerman? They must at least be aware of it right? Why aren't they going to the media? Clearly they are either in on the conspiracy against the Wings or they're being threatened by Bettman and "the NHL". I wonder if Obama is in on it.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Agreed 100%. Almost.

I'm okay with "intent to blow" staying as it is.

I agree that if there is enough interference in the oppinion of the ref to disallow a goal, there is enough interefernce to earn 2 minutes in the box.

If it is incidental why should it be a penalty?

[SDavis35 140]

Agreed 100%. Almost.

I'm okay with "intent to blow" staying as it is.

I agree that if there is enough interference in the oppinion of the ref to disallow a goal, there is enough interefernce to earn 2 minutes in the box.

This is one I don't agree with, mostly because there is zero chance of being reviewed, and the ref often makes an error. It would seem that's the biggest gray area. The review on this I would hope are because the refs made a mistake, and should only be used if the puck goes in the net before the whistle - if there's reason to blow, goal is called off, if there's no reason for it to be blown, goal counts (not including phantom penalties).

As for the most recent disallowed goal... I didn't mind because I felt like an understandable call, Homer was in the crease, and Anderson could be said that he had no room, whether it be to push off or maybe his stick got caught up in the skates, plenty of excuses can be made. Regardless, there have been worse out there. The game 4 against Dallas is probably worst.

[Krystal 41]

I heard that too, but if the goalie makes no effort to come out then how is it interference? That means anyone who skates through the crease is potentially interferring with the goaltender whether they touch him or not, simply because they impeded him from "potentially" moving to the top of his crease.

Booooools***!

esteef

If Anderson is having trouble moving in his crease because he's afraid of Homer, he needs to take some lessons from guys like Brodeur and Turco Those two certainly have no issues moving him if he's being a pest.

[pjgj13 30]

I HATE the intent to blow "rule" since it is total bulls***.....

We have all seen a goal disallowed because Homer was interferring with the goalie 2 feet outside the crease.....

Is there a stat ANYWHERE that shows the number of disallowed goals the last 5 years?

[henrik40 76]

I don't know if anyone saw it last night or not, but the Hawks had a goal by Eager that was disallowed due to incidental contact. It was just as bad (or even worse) as our goal disallowed Monday.

[StormJH1 231]

The "Intent to Blow" (Brad May) play angered me more than this one, but both of them involved some act (either a covered puck or goalie interference) that was retroactively said to have ended the play, even though play clearly continued. To me, you can't leave rules like this that create even the appearance of impropriety. We shouldn't have to question whether or not the play ever would've actually been blown dead. In the Brad May play, I'm sorry, but that play continues until the whistle BLOWS, because that is a indisputable place in time, and one that can be reviewed. In this play, first of all, he didn't interfere with the goalie, and even the alleged interference had nothing to do with the goal. But either you blow the play dead when it happens and move the faceoff outside the zone (which would be so frequent as to be assinine), or you let them play. Don't put your refs in a position where they have to take a point off the board and retroactively explain why something you just saw happen shouldn't "count".

Like henrik40 pointed out above me, I don't think this is a "conspiracy" against the Wings and I'm sure it happens to teams all over the league. I don't want a bad rule to screw them over either...I just want the rule fixed. I do think that after 15 years of Ciccarelli, Holmstrom, and now Franzen and Cleary, Detroit is getting a sort of "reputation" for these types of plays, similar to the "reputation" Anaheim developed for rough play.

Edited March 3, 2010 by StormJH1

[ltgator333 3]

I'm very tempted to make a tin foil hat thread with all the video clips of bad calls. Kinda like the O'Halloran thread I made last year. I probably would have if not for the problems firefox has had with LGW. Grr... IE suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Been forced to get my Wings fix on HF and RWC.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Made by Mozilla, same stuff under the hood as Firefox, no attack site bs.

Didn't see the game, but, everyone on here should know Homer gets hosed by the refs on the regular. Haters gonna hate, and they will until he doesn't play anymore. To me, it's a thing where you can either tolerate the injustice (whether it be coincidental, purposeful or anywhere in between) or you can't. Watch and deal with it, or shut it off.