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#1 Leadzedder

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:43 PM

2 Questions looking ahead... An easy prediction of next year's lineup is below. Would you be happy if this is what we have next year? How does this team stack up against other top teams. Top 5? Either yes or no.

Lets try to just look at the bigger picture instead of getting into the smaller details.


Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) Tomas Holmstrom ($1.200m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.880m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) Darren Helm ($1.000m) Todd Bertuzzi ($1.750m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) Kris Draper ($1.583m) Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m)
Mattias Ritola ($0.600m) Kirk Maltby ($0.500m)

Nicklas Lidstrom ($4.500m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Andreas Lilja ($1.000m) Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

Jimmy Howard ($0.717m) Chris Osgood ($1.417m)

ROSTER: 23; PAYROLL: $55.918m; CAP ROOM: $0.882m BONUSES: $0.000m

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:46 PM

Where is the enforcer?

And is Bertuzzi really going to get a pay raise and earn more than Holmstrom?

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:53 PM

Where is the enforcer?

And is Bertuzzi really going to get a pay raise and earn more than Holmstrom?


Grand Rapids??? Philadelphia??? Anahiem???

And yeah probably..... Homer has 17 goals, Bert has 15. Both will be 20 goal scorers this year. Holmstrom is 37, still very effective but on his last legs, he's played and succeeded with us since ummm i don't know, say 1996. He's not looking for the best offer. He'll come back and play one more year. He'll do it under marketvalue. Bertuzzi, whether or not we like him this week, he'll get at least what he gets this year. For the record, if you can have a 20 goal scorer on your 3rd line for 1.75 million, you don't complain. Most others that fit the bill are on entry level contracts that we're drafted higher than we're used to. But if it makes it easier to concentrate, pretend the 2 numbers are switched. So, aside from not having Brad Norton instead of Ritola, do you like the team?

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:59 PM

Yeah, besides a change or two it's pretty much what I see happening.

And I do feel it would be a top 5 team, barring injuries of course.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 11:01 PM

Where is the enforcer?

Did you not notice Hudler was back?

And is Bertuzzi really going to get a pay raise and earn more than Holmstrom?

Bertuzzi is still making $1.3m from his Anaheim buyout remember -- that is the only reason he signed for as little as $1.5m. I dunno, maybe he will sign for that low again (with no supplementary income from Anaheim next year) but I would not be shocked if he demanded as much as $3m, in which case he would obviously not be a Red Wing.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 11:26 PM

So much depends on what our veterans decide to do/demand in salary. I don't think Bert would demand 3million. He has bounced around for the past 7 years or so and has recently stated that he would love to finish his career in Detroit. He is valuable as a 20 goal scorer and a veteran presence, however this is barely offset by his downside. He takes too many stupid penalties and is losing his touch offensively. I think one or two years at 1.3-1.5 would be reasonable. Same for Homer.

As a whole that roster isn't terrible. The Hudler piece is still a big IF. Also, the majority of our players have shown themselves to be injury-prone, so while that roster may look decent now, if a few players go down it looks a lot more sparse. If we could afford it I would like to make an offer for some kind of goal-scoring forward.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 11:28 PM

I can't see Homer at a $1.2m cap hit.

I'd gladly take him at that, but I think you're being fairly optimistic.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 11:43 PM

I can't see Homer at a $1.2m cap hit.

I'd gladly take him at that, but I think you're being fairly optimistic.

Yea, same with Lidstrom at $4.5m.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 11:56 PM

Yea, same with Lidstrom at $4.5m.


In this scenario, I have the cap staying even. I have the max amount of players at 23. I have almost 900k in capspace. The cap will more than likely go up (albeit, not alot). We don't have to carry 23, so you can drop another .5-1 mil. And we don't need to carry extra capspace....... SO..... don't worry too much about the small details. That roster will fit under the cap. If you don't believe me, just play along for fun.

But yes, i might be off a couple hundred grand here or there.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 12:25 AM

In this scenario, I have the cap staying even. I have the max amount of players at 23. I have almost 900k in capspace. The cap will more than likely go up (albeit, not alot). We don't have to carry 23, so you can drop another .5-1 mil. And we don't need to carry extra capspace....... SO..... don't worry too much about the small details. That roster will fit under the cap. If you don't believe me, just play along for fun.

But yes, i might be off a couple hundred grand here or there.

I'd be ok without Bertuzzi next year, especially if Hudler's back.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 12:54 AM

Hudler is coming back next year? Did I miss something?

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:13 AM

Hudler is coming back next year? Did I miss something?


I guess there are rumors that he might.


And I thought we'd have more cap space than that.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:41 AM

I actually think big Nick will take a big pay cut, say he has 1-3 years left in him he has a shiiit load of money already, he has said before he doesn't play for the money but for the love of the game. So with that in mind if say Holland asked him do you want your 7.5mill for the next 3 years or would you be willing to sign in the 3-4mill range and contend for the cup the next 3 years knowing the wings could use that extra money and go sign another scorer/goalie. I think he would do that for himself and the team.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:54 AM

Yes I'd be happy with that roster and yes I think we could potentially be a top 5 team, but I'm not satisfied with our goaltending situation. It's naive to assume that Howard can maintain this pace forever. We've got a temporary solution to our goalie problem, but if Howard goes into a slump we've got a serious problem on our hands. Osgood has become completely unreliable and looks rattled, sloppy and incapable of properly making the initial save, if he makes it at all.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 02:57 AM

Yeah, besides a change or two it's pretty much what I see happening.

And I do feel it would be a top 5 team, barring injuries of course.



I agree.


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Posted 09 March 2010 - 03:12 AM

Did you not notice Hudler was back?


Touche!

Bertuzzi is still making $1.3m from his Anaheim buyout remember -- that is the only reason he signed for as little as $1.5m. I dunno, maybe he will sign for that low again (with no supplementary income from Anaheim next year) but I would not be shocked if he demanded as much as $3m, in which case he would obviously not be a Red Wing.


In interviews, he has indicated that he'd be willing to take a reasonable salary in order to remain with the team next season.

Yes I'd be happy with that roster and yes I think we could potentially be a top 5 team, but I'm not satisfied with our goaltending situation. It's naive to assume that Howard can maintain this pace forever. We've got a temporary solution to our goalie problem, but if Howard goes into a slump we've got a serious problem on our hands. Osgood has become completely unreliable and looks rattled, sloppy and incapable of properly making the initial save, if he makes it at all.


News: ANY team is in trouble if their goaltender goes into a slump. Fortunately it doesn't happen extremely often, but in any event it's not a possibility that can be eliminated.

Also, I don't understand why you're acting so sure that Howard won't be able to maintain his pace. Maintaining pace is what all successful goaltenders do.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 04:47 AM

Touche!



In interviews, he has indicated that he'd be willing to take a reasonable salary in order to remain with the team next season.


Marian Hossa also said exactly the same....

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 04:56 AM

Marian Hossa also said exactly the same....


Eh, Hossa is still in his prime. Bertuzzi is a couple years away from retirement.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 05:45 AM

I guess I would be okay with that roster.

But DHE needs to be our 4th line. Abdelkader is a better fit on the 3rd.

And I would be surprised if Maltby, Lidstrom and Holmstrom all come back. Lids at 4.5 is optimistic. I'm thinking maybe 1 year at 5-6 mil, IF he decides to continue. Or maybe I'm pessimistic.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 06:42 AM

We need to add Andrew Ladd & Willie Mitchell and that is what will make this team better next year. IF we re-sign ANY of the old timers, it needs to be for $500,000 or they can leave. The exception be Lidstrom, but he does need to sign for LESS than $4,000,000. If he wants to play one more season, he knows, he cannot handcuff the Wings from getting a couple of players to make this team better. Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Maltby, Eaves, etc all making $500,000 and LIdstrom making $3M would allow that. I say bye bye, Lilja, Maltby, Williams, Meech AND Lebda... The guys who should get the raises are Helm & Miller. Abdelkader will get a slight raise, but nothing of significance.

Bertuzzi ($500,000)
Holmstrom ($500,000)
Eaves ($500,000)
Helm ($750,000)
Miller ($650,000)
Abdelkder ($950,000)
Lidstrom ($3,000,000)

Thats $6,850,000 in salary and that would leave Holland just over $10,000,000 to improve this team. (Ladd & Mitchell would be a GREAT start!)

Although I know Bertuzzi is not going to accept $500,000, but if he doesn't want to build a winner here, then adios!

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