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Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?


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#61 superstarsingh

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 01:28 PM

No. At the conclusion of that additional deal, the Wings would re-evaluate and Nick Lidstrom would decide if he was coming back. Then, you go forward on a possible longer-term deal.

And honestly, I would trade Flip away to keep Hossa for one more year. Is there a button we can push to do that? :)

Yikes, that is where we differ. I feel a lot of this wanting to have retained Hossa lies in the fact that he signed with the Blackhawks.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:22 PM

why don't we question the contract given to Dan Cleary who has been useless as f*** this entire season.

This season Cleary has his highest PPG average of his entire career. He also has one less goal than he had last season in 20 less games.

Again this is people pointing the finger just to put the finger because they done know where to point the finger just because things are going bad.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:35 PM

This season Cleary has his highest PPG average of his entire career. He also has one less goal than he had last season in 20 less games.

Again this is people pointing the finger just to put the finger because they done know where to point the finger just because things are going bad.

That doesn't mean he couldn't be overpaid. You have to compare him with other players, not with himself.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:38 PM

That doesn't mean he couldn't be overpaid. You have to compare him with other players, not with himself.

Well his cap hit wasnt a problem for anyone last season. I think his cap hit is pretty reasonable for what he brings to the table.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:45 PM

why don't we question the contract given to Dan Cleary who has been useless as f*** this entire season.


I always thought he was overpaid.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:50 PM

It would be a very good lesson for a lot of posters on this forum to log onto capgeek.com and just scroll through teams salary charts just to get an idea about how much people are getting paid and how they are producing. Id like to know what players you guys would rather have than Filppula and Cleary at their cap hit, excluding young players on their rookie contract.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 04:24 PM

It would be a very good lesson for a lot of posters on this forum to log onto capgeek.com and just scroll through teams salary charts just to get an idea about how much people are getting paid and how they are producing. Id like to know what players you guys would rather have than Filppula and Cleary at their cap hit, excluding young players on their rookie contract.


Ryan Kesler at $1.75 as an offer sheet match contract, please.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 04:40 PM

Ryan Kesler at $1.75 as an offer sheet match contract, please.

You obviously dont listen very well. Or read very well in this instance.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 05:01 PM

Not really. He's already but up 34 goals in a season. Cap hit is what matters when determining the roster.

Other than that, I tend to agree with your post. However, I think that if the Wings signed Hossa to another short-term deal (1 year at 6, perhaps) it would be Flip, Bertuzzi, Williams gone.


What Franzen has already done has no bearing on even this season, much less 8 years from now. How many goals has he scored in the next 10 years? I count zero so far. Potential to stay the same is no different than potential to improve.

And when you are evaluating a contract you have to consider all the terms of the deal, including length. The Wings made a much larger commitment to Franzen, commensurate with his higher production. The same is true for Zetterberg over Franzen.

And your Hossa proposal wouldn't work. Even assuming we could get him that low for a 1 year deal, you'd still leave us two forwards short. So at the very least, you'd have to get rid of another player making $1.5 million (or more), and add three players at league minimum (or whatever salary you dumped).

No matter how you try to work it, saying that Flip is the reason we didn't sign Hossa is simply preposterous.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 06:39 PM

Once again you have no idea what the cap 6 years from now, so you would potentially hinder yourself with a lot of long term contracts because you have NOf****** CLUE what the cap hit is. (Stop running on assumptions and saying it's fact.) Also what happens if Hossa doesn't want to retire? Does Chicago cut him? Does that piss Hossa off and say something about them signing him with intentions of retiring before contract ends? Once again unless you have a crystal ball shoved up your ass you have no idea what the distant future holds (especially on a contrac like that), but I sure would not want to be hindered because I gave a s*** ton of long term contracts out. Also how is Flip overpaid yet Dan Cleary is SLIGHTLY overpaid, if Hossa=Cleary overpayment then it certainly isn't worth it because Cleary has been invisible. But you are right Flip is compeltely being underutilized, Babcock needs to take Cleary/Williams off the 2nd a Flip on them. If he can't put up points on the 2nd and is just relegated to the 3rd line for the rest of his contract then I would agree he is overpaid. I don't care the line up but have Homer/Flip/Dats/Z/Franzen/ all on the top 6, I would think Helm has EARNED time up there but talent wise idk.


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 07:34 PM

You obviously dont listen very well. Or read very well in this instance.


You obviously don't know that Ryan Kesler, at the conclusion of his rookie contract, signed an offer sheet with Philly for $1.9 M, 1 year. Vancouver matched.

So, to recap, he played out his rookie deal...ala Filppula....signed with Philly for $1.9 M, which Vancouver matched....then signed for $1.75 M per season for three years. I guess if I was relying on a website to do the work for me, I'd miss that too.

What exactly did I miss?

What Franzen has already done has no bearing on even this season, much less 8 years from now. How many goals has he scored in the next 10 years? I count zero so far. Potential to stay the same is no different than potential to improve.

And when you are evaluating a contract you have to consider all the terms of the deal, including length. The Wings made a much larger commitment to Franzen, commensurate with his higher production. The same is true for Zetterberg over Franzen.

And your Hossa proposal wouldn't work. Even assuming we could get him that low for a 1 year deal, you'd still leave us two forwards short. So at the very least, you'd have to get rid of another player making $1.5 million (or more), and add three players at league minimum (or whatever salary you dumped).

No matter how you try to work it, saying that Flip is the reason we didn't sign Hossa is simply preposterous.


I wasn't trying to imply that those would be the ONLY moves made. Retaining Hossa would require moving roster players--as Holland said prior to the end of last season.

I'm not saying Flip is the only reason we didn't sign Hossa. I agree that is preposterous.

Edited by RedWingAbner, 10 March 2010 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 07:47 PM

I have been a Wings fan for as long as I can remember. However I have lived in San Diego my whole life so I rarely get to discuss the team with anyone who follows them like I do. Now don't get me wrong, I feel like Flip is an alright player, but can not understand why is has practically been crowned as the next Hank or Dats. Even though he has only played 38 games this year, his statistics are still nothing special especially considering he is supposed to be a skill/finesse player. His defense is suspect, he needs to play stronger, and his stick handling while exceptional, hardly merits the praise his overall game receives from the loyal wings fans on the site. Please inform me on something I may be missing. I don't get to watch every game but I watch an many as one can being from San Diego.


There is always a stronger connection to players who come up through the Wings system. You follow them through the minors and you keep up hope that they become the next great player on the team. Obviously Filppula's regular season stats won't wow you right now, but the guy shows up in the playoffs and has a knack for scoring big goals in the playoffs. Filppula has all the tools to be a really good player in this league and now that Babcock has decided to move him up to the 2nd line with Zetterberg you might see Filppula fully blossom.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:00 PM

Everyone is forgetting about how good Cleary plays in the playoffs. He deserves his money for the playoffs alone, he played so good last year he got invited to the team Canada camp. That says somethnig considering they won gold.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:19 PM

Everyone is forgetting about how good Cleary plays in the playoffs. He deserves his money for the playoffs alone, he played so good last year he got invited to the team Canada camp. That says somethnig considering they won gold.

Cleary didn't have a reasonable shot to make team Canada, to be completely honest. The only way he made the roster is if half of the team got hit by busses on the way to Canada Hockey Place.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:21 PM

This season Cleary has his highest PPG average of his entire career. He also has one less goal than he had last season in 20 less games.

Again this is people pointing the finger just to put the finger because they done know where to point the finger just because things are going bad.

You back your point up with facts that I can't refute, but I must say watching him out there he doesn't look nearly as affective and shouldn't be on the 2nd line. But I suppose maybe it's because he is being relied upon more. Valid point though.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:30 PM

You obviously don't know that Ryan Kesler, at the conclusion of his rookie contract, signed an offer sheet with Philly for $1.9 M, 1 year. Vancouver matched.

So, to recap, he played out his rookie deal...ala Filppula....signed with Philly for $1.9 M, which Vancouver matched....then signed for $1.75 M per season for three years. I guess if I was relying on a website to do the work for me, I'd miss that too.

What exactly did I miss?





I asked posters on this board to search capgeek to get an idea of how players who have similar cap hits are producing. If you conduct an extensive search you would find that Cleary and Filppula are not overpaid at all. There are better contracts out there, obviously. Id say for the most part however, that there are more contracts that a worse than better.

You chose Ryan Kesler, who probably has one of the most cap friendly deals in the NHL. He is grossly underpaid. He is an RFA this season, lets wait and see the contract he gets. It will be significantly north of Cleary and Filppulsa cap figure and you know that. Ryan Kesler is a far better player than Clears. Maybe I posed the wrong question. But the point is, in comparison to the the rest of the NHL, they being paid just fine.

Edited by wingsownnhl43, 10 March 2010 - 08:32 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 10:13 PM

You obviously don't know that Ryan Kesler, at the conclusion of his rookie contract, signed an offer sheet with Philly for $1.9 M, 1 year. Vancouver matched.

So, to recap, he played out his rookie deal...ala Filppula....signed with Philly for $1.9 M, which Vancouver matched....then signed for $1.75 M per season for three years. I guess if I was relying on a website to do the work for me, I'd miss that too.

What exactly did I miss?


Kesler signed a 3 year deal at 1.75m after posting up a 23 point 82 game season. In his first year of that contract, he tallied 16 points in 48 games (good for 27 points over 82 games). It took him until his fourth year in the league to best Filppula's second by 1 point, in two extra games.

Filppula signed his 3m/5 year deal after posting his 36 point/78 game season and showing a lot of potential. Filppula was also a PPG player in the AHL, Kesler never was.

I guess that is what you missed.

Edited by Z and D for the C, 10 March 2010 - 10:14 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 10:19 PM

gilppula is a cheapshot artist

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:19 AM

I love how the Filppula crowd jumps in and tries to make Kesler's contract an example of why I'm wrong on Filppula. So, Kesler's projection of 27 pts=$1.75 M, Filppula's 36 points earned him $3M. I bet Kesler wishes he put up just a few more points, by that logic. So what if he wasn't a point-per-game AHLer. Kesler is still the better player.

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:24 AM

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