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#21 ShanahanMan

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:14 AM

Not wrong at all. He regularly plays with the Sedins.



God forbid you preface something like goals scored by mentioning that he's playing alongside the second highest point getter in the league this season. I mean that's just absurd.

No one is saying Sammy is s***. But saying his play hasn't been inflated at all by the Sedins is just as absurd.


I've seen Burrows play with the Sedins all season long. In fact, tonight was the first night I've seen Samuelsson play on that line. Has he played on the top line before? Maybe......but the majority of the time has been Burrows/Sedin/Sedin.


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:16 AM

I've seen Burrows play with the Sedins all season long. In fact, tonight was the first night I've seen Samuelsson play on that line. Has he played on the top line before? Maybe......but the majority of the time has been Burrows/Sedin/Sedin.


I thought he played with the good Sedin while the other clone was injured. No? I do remember seeing them together but I've also seen games with Burrows up there too.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:24 AM

I thought he played with the good Sedin while the other clone was injured. No? I do remember seeing them together but I've also seen games with Burrows up there too.


I did a little stat. digging and found that just about every assist from a Sedin on a Sammy goal was in March. Like you said, there was a time when Sedin number 1 was injured and Sammy was playing with Sedin number 2 but I only saw a few goals he assisted on during that time, so it didn't make too big a difference. The truth is, the absolute majority of his goals were not assisted by the Sedins. That being said, since they've been obviously clicking together as a line since March, don't expect to see the line split up any time soon but do expect to see a lot more Sammy goals.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:30 AM

I did a little stat. digging and found that just about every assist from a Sedin on a Sammy goal was in March. Like you said, there was a time when Sedin number 1 was injured and Sammy was playing with Sedin number 2 but I only saw a few goals he assisted on during that time, so it didn't make too big a difference. The truth is, the absolute majority of his goals were not assisted by the Sedins. That being said, since they've been obviously clicking together as a line since March, don't expect to see the line split up any time soon but do expect to see a lot more Sammy goals.


So we're both right :) That's my favourite resolution to internet disagreements.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:31 AM

I thought he played with the good Sedin while the other clone was injured. No? I do remember seeing them together but I've also seen games with Burrows up there too.


This is correct, but when both are healthy it is them and Burrows, as already has been stated.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:39 AM

So we're both right :) That's my favourite resolution to internet disagreements.


Well, regularly doesn't usually mean the last week or so, but hey......details, details ;).


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:55 AM

Well, regularly doesn't usually mean the last week or so, but hey......details, details ;).


And you also refered to him playing with both, not just the one.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 04:04 AM

Well, regularly doesn't usually mean the last week or so, but hey......details, details ;).


Meh.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 07:24 AM

I thought he played with the good Sedin while the other clone was injured. No? I do remember seeing them together but I've also seen games with Burrows up there too.

"the good Sedin"? Daniel would be like 3rd or 4th in scoring if he hadn't been injured.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 07:46 AM

He's playing with two of the best players in the league.

Oh, and hindsight is 20/20. Give me a f*cking break. Half the people on this forum bashed Samuelsson on a consistent basis. You were probably one of them.


he usually plays on the 2nd and 3rd lines. only plays with the sedins on the powerplay

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:12 AM

As with most things, it's a little bit of everything in sports. Part of it is probably benefiting playing with the Sedins (if he has been playing with them, haven't really watched Vancouver much) or capable linemates, part of it is Samuelsson stepping up to the plate.

It probably didn't matter what he did in Detroit, he was going to be a scapegoat to many here. Definitely clutch at times, but streaky as well overall.

I wouldn't have minded keeping him (before his 20+ goal season or this thread), but glad he's doing well in Vancouver.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:24 AM

People really think this guy could've made the difference for us this season? What a joke.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:45 AM

People really think this guy could've made the difference for us this season? What a joke.

Definetely better than bertuzzi, williams, cleary, filppula etc

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:58 AM

Definetely better than bertuzzi, williams, cleary, filppula etc

I agree. But I don't think that would've made a difference looking at the big picture.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 09:42 AM

I agree. But I don't think that would've made a difference looking at the big picture.



Yea, he would have gotten injured on the Wings....

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 10:09 AM

He just has something to prove.

He has two countries (Sweden and Red Wing Nation) to tell to go... well, you know.


I still love the guy except when he's playing against Detroit. Hopefully we won't face him in the playoffs (positive thinking!) so I don't have to root against him, but I will if I have to. My allegiance is still to the Winged Wheel.

We sure could have used him this year with all of the injuries, that's for sure, but I doubt Kenny sat down and figured those in last summer when he was crunching numbers. :ph34r:

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 10:32 AM

good for him...
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 10:56 AM

Wasn't he on Filppula's line for stretches here? The same production dip happened to Bertuzzi when his minutes/center changed. Maybe Flip is a good set-up man, but maybe he just has more chemistry with other guys.

I don't think even the most ardent Sammy bashers would say he couldn't score. He just didn't do it enough (here) + looked worse when compared to players like Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa......

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:01 AM

I think we have enough logo-hunters on our team as it is.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:06 AM

Wasn't he on Filppula's line for stretches here? The same production dip happened to Bertuzzi when his minutes/center changed. Maybe Flip is a good set-up man, but maybe he just has more chemistry with other guys.

I don't think even the most ardent Sammy bashers would say he couldn't score. He just didn't do it enough (here) + looked worse when compared to players like Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa......


He is actually scoring at a lower rate based on Ice time than his first two seasons here. Just food for thought. I crucnhed the Numbers, and if Hudler had been given the same amount of minutes (using his pace from last year), and kept 3rd line linemates, he would be on pace for 73 points a year.

Sammy's production is not anything new or extrodinary. Hats off to him though, I always liked him
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