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#41 EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:21 PM

In the WORLD? REALLY?



Do you honestly think that Hossa has more stick handeling ability and vision than Hudler? Give Hudler his body, and Hudler is Kovalchuck.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:29 PM

Do you honestly think that Hossa has more stick handeling ability and vision than Hudler? Give Hudler his body, and Hudler is Kovalchuck.


And Kovalchuk is one of the most gifted offensive players in the world...at least until he landed in New Jersey. I can think of 30 players right off the top of my head that would be better than Huds....no, wait....100 players. They haven't perfected that body-swapping technology yet, so we have to judge Hudler as-is.
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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:32 PM

Do you honestly think that Hossa has more stick handeling ability and vision than Hudler? Give Hudler his body, and Hudler is Kovalchuck.



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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:36 PM

If Hudler had Martin St Lo- wait.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 11:10 PM

And Kovalchuk is one of the most gifted offensive players in the world...at least until he landed in New Jersey. I can think of 30 players right off the top of my head that would be better than Huds....no, wait....100 players. They haven't perfected that body-swapping technology yet, so we have to judge Hudler as-is.


Considering that Hudler was WELL WITHIN the top 100 in scorers, and was top 20 in the league in points per over TOI, I question your ability to back up such a bulls*** claim.

Also, if your reading comprehension wasn't as bad as your hockey talent analysis, you would realise I said Hudler had some of the most PURE TALENT, I.E. Stick Handeling, Vision, Shot Placement, not overall player, or body. Do not put words in my mouth, or anything else for that matter, I'm not your boyfriend.

you have got to be kidding me.


When you watch several hours of film a week for your entire childhood or make it to a a level of Hockey where you get paid than you can refute my talent analysis. Hossa is obviously a better player than Hudler, but most of his strengths were due to his impressive ability to maintain the puck and his ridiculous speed. Hudler has neither of these, but that does not mean he dosen't have more pure talent.

At one point in time Hudler was considered to be of phenom potential, and through the majority of his teens was considered to be one of the players in the world for his age. The only reason he did not dominate more (notice I say more, since he was among league leaders in points per TOI), was due to his body, if you gave Hossa Hudler's body he would most probably not make it to the NHL.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 11:24 PM

When you watch several hours of film a week for your entire childhood or make it to a a level of Hockey where you get paid than you can refute my talent analysis.


This point is complete bulls***. Many of the leagues top coaches never played pro hockey and I have known some pro hockey players who were lucky to get their grade 12. Talent does not equal knowledge.
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Posted 24 March 2010 - 11:36 PM

This point is complete bulls***. Many of the leagues top coaches never played pro hockey and I have known some pro hockey players who were lucky to get their grade 12. Talent does not equal knowledge.


Coaching ability does not equal knowledge either. The two are not synonymous. Many of the great players turned out to be s***ty coaches because they had it all come naturally to them, and many of the great coaches don't have much experience, but at the NHL level of play, there are so many more specialists team hire to work on certain and specific aspects, whereas the head coaching role really is more of a motivation and overall strategy position. Just because a player can't explain how he did it or what to do, does not mean he can not see a player who can do it right.


With that being settled, there is no way you can ever convince me the typical internet fan could understand the game to the same level as someone who played at a high level. You can argue some scouts did not play a high level, but their whole life is watching hockey, this is different than the average poster on this board, the same board whose majority of posters considered Sammuelsson useless, and wanted Datsyuk to be traded for the likes of Doan and Oltesz. It's fine if you disagree, but you will never be able to convince me otherwise, just saying so you don't waste time waiting for me to reply to this again.

There is a difference between watching 70+ games on TV through a viewpoint meant to maximize action than to actually play 80 games along with 150+ practices. It simply isn't fair to compare when one has so much more quality exposure than the other.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 11:44 PM

Coaching ability does not equal knowledge either. The two are not synonymous. Many of the great players turned out to be s***ty coaches because they had it all come naturally to them, and many of the great coaches don't have much experience, but at the NHL level of play, there are so many more specialists team hire to work on certain and specific aspects, whereas the head coaching role really is more of a motivation and overall strategy position. Just because a player can't explain how he did it or what to do, does not mean he can not see a player who can do it right.


With that being settled, there is no way you can ever convince me the typical internet fan could understand the game to the same level as someone who played at a high level. You can argue some scouts did not play a high level, but their whole life is watching hockey, this is different than the average poster on this board, the same board whose majority of posters considered Sammuelsson useless, and wanted Datsyuk to be traded for the likes of Doan and Oltesz. It's fine if you disagree, but you will never be able to convince me otherwise, just saying so you don't waste time waiting for me to reply to this again.


You can't win an argument just because you "played the game". LOTS of people on this board played the game.
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Posted 24 March 2010 - 11:57 PM

You can't win an argument just because you "played the game". LOTS of people on this board played the game.



1) That was mearly one of my arguments, you ignored the part about Hudler being a top 20 points per TOI producer, or the many other highly credited scouts and analysits who slapped Hudler as a future star, Including Bob Mckeanzie and pretty much every single good draft service, which many pegged him as a top 10 pick a few years before his draft. As I said earlier, try to imagine Hossa playing with Hudler's body... I have a very hard time thinking he would be anything more than fringe player.

2) Not trying to sound pompous, but I sincerley doubt that LOTS of consistant posters here played the game at the level I did (and if you doubt my claims, PM me and I will tell you who I am as well as provide ample proof). This is not meant to come off as bragging, but I have been on the same Ice as several players who are NHL bound or in the NHL already,and held my own, as well as spending 250+ days a year at a rink, for over 10 years. I was not the most naturally talented player, and in fact my lack of proper reaction was one of the main reason's I never was more than a role player in Juniors, but I doubt very many other people on this board have had to watch hours of footage of players away from the puck to learn great postioning, or have just been around Hockey as much in general. Watching the game on TV, and following the puck vision is nice and all, but there is so much more than that. I'm not even trying to sound elitiest, it's just common sense if you spend more time around a higher level of product that you will pick up things just by osmosis, never mind the incessent coaching, or drills.

Watching 80+ games of hockey from a vantage view meant to optimize action moments is not the same as watching a fair amount of NHL games also, as well as playing 80+, as well as 150+ practices most complete with a least a minor amount of film sessions.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:04 AM

Do you honestly think that Hossa has more stick handeling ability and vision than Hudler? Give Hudler his body, and Hudler is Kovalchuck.


That's pretty insulting to Hudler, man.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:06 AM

That's pretty insulting to Hudler, man.

Assuming sarcasm?
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 12:08 AM

Assuming sarcasm?


It was meant as a joking remark to imply Kovalchuk is nowhere near as good as Hudler.

At second read it doesn't provide the same amount of zing that I thought it would. Swing and a miss on my part.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:10 AM

1) That was mearly one of my arguments, you ignored the part about Hudler being a top 20 points per TOI producer, or the many other highly credited scouts and analysits who slapped Hudler as a future star, Including Bob Mckeanzie and pretty much every single good draft service, which many pegged him as a top 10 pick a few years before his draft. As I said earlier, try to imagine Hossa playing with Hudler's body... I have a very hard time thinking he would be anything more than fringe player.

2) Not trying to sound pompous, but I sincerley doubt that LOTS of consistant posters here played the game at the level I did (and if you doubt my claims, PM me and I will tell you who I am as well as provide ample proof). This is not meant to come off as bragging, but I have been on the same Ice as several players who are NHL bound or in the NHL already,and held my own, as well as spending 250+ days a year at a rink, for over 10 years. I was not the most naturally talented player, and in fact my lack of proper reaction was one of the main reason's I never was more than a role player in Juniors, but I doubt very many other people on this board have had to watch hours of footage of players away from the puck to learn great postioning, or have just been around Hockey as much in general. Watching the game on TV, and following the puck vision is nice and all, but there is so much more than that. I'm not even trying to sound elitiest, it's just common sense if you spend more time around a higher level of product that you will pick up things just by osmosis, never mind the incessent coaching, or drills.

Watching 80+ games of hockey from a vantage view meant to optimize action moments is not the same as watching a fair amount of NHL games also, as well as playing 80+, as well as 150+ practices most complete with a least a minor amount of film sessions.


What's your point? Just that playing at a higher level gives you better understanding for the game? I would agree with that to a certain point. I played in the O but only played 5 games before I blew out my knee. My dad was a scout for an NHL team and I used to travel with him sometimes.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:25 AM

1) That was mearly one of my arguments, you ignored the part about Hudler being a top 20 points per TOI producer, or the many other highly credited scouts and analysits who slapped Hudler as a future star, Including Bob Mckeanzie and pretty much every single good draft service, which many pegged him as a top 10 pick a few years before his draft. As I said earlier, try to imagine Hossa playing with Hudler's body... I have a very hard time thinking he would be anything more than fringe player.

2) Not trying to sound pompous, but I sincerley doubt that LOTS of consistant posters here played the game at the level I did (and if you doubt my claims, PM me and I will tell you who I am as well as provide ample proof). This is not meant to come off as bragging, but I have been on the same Ice as several players who are NHL bound or in the NHL already,and held my own, as well as spending 250+ days a year at a rink, for over 10 years. I was not the most naturally talented player, and in fact my lack of proper reaction was one of the main reason's I never was more than a role player in Juniors, but I doubt very many other people on this board have had to watch hours of footage of players away from the puck to learn great postioning, or have just been around Hockey as much in general. Watching the game on TV, and following the puck vision is nice and all, but there is so much more than that. I'm not even trying to sound elitiest, it's just common sense if you spend more time around a higher level of product that you will pick up things just by osmosis, never mind the incessent coaching, or drills.

Watching 80+ games of hockey from a vantage view meant to optimize action moments is not the same as watching a fair amount of NHL games also, as well as playing 80+, as well as 150+ practices most complete with a least a minor amount of film sessions.



What's your point? Just that playing at a higher level gives you better understanding for the game? I would agree with that to a certain point. I played in the O but only played 5 games before I blew out my knee. My dad was a scout for an NHL team and I used to travel with him sometimes.


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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:39 AM

What's your point? Just that playing at a higher level gives you better understanding for the game? I would agree with that to a certain point. I played in the O but only played 5 games before I blew out my knee. My dad was a scout for an NHL team and I used to travel with him sometimes.



Yes... that is the point of my post. I have no idea why you would ever assume anything else.
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:53 AM

So I see this is on page 3 and it's a talk about Hudler and Hossa and Kovy? Which dumbass derailed this thread? I want to change my answer of no to yes :)
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:56 AM

what the hell? weren't we wondering if fil was going to hit 40 this year? i skipped page to to see reactions after tonight's game, and we're comparing kovie and huds? what the f*** happened? :D

anyway, val is now 11+23=34, and is now +1. he is 4+4=8 and +8 in his last three games. yes, one was EN, but another was shorthanded, so i think they make up for each other...

are you kidding me??? i mean, he obviously won't keep this up all the time, and a lot of that has to do with him playing with zetterberg, who is playing *much* better of late, but it seems like they're making each other much better, which is the point of a good line.

in our current 3-game winning streak, datsyuk has 1 goal and no assists, franzen has no points, and homer has no points in the last five. and yet this one line is playing amazingly. if filppula and z can at least maintain half their recent level of play, and datsyuk and franzen get going again (they were hot a while ago, and can come back any time), and if we get some odd goals from cleary/eaves/miller/helm, we will be in great shape, IMO.

so, to the point, i could see flippula hitting 40 this year, if he keeps it up! let's hope for good confidence and 60 points next year!
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 01:59 AM

Just realized I hadn't vote it yet ... :clap:

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 02:23 AM

After the last 3 games, I am seriously considering changing my vote. I am a die-hard Filppula supporter, but even I didn't think he would put up 8 points in 3 games. Now, he only needs 6 points in the next 9 games to hit 40 (which will match a career high in almost 30 fewer games) and hopefully that level of play will carry over into the playoffs, where he already has a history of stepping up his game.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 02:56 AM

what the hell? weren't we wondering if fil was going to hit 40 this year? i skipped page to to see reactions after tonight's game, and we're comparing kovie and huds? what the f*** happened? Posted Image

anyway, val is now 11+23=34, and is now +1. he is 4+4=8 and +8 in his last three games. yes, one was EN, but another was shorthanded, so i think they make up for each other...

are you kidding me??? i mean, he obviously won't keep this up all the time, and a lot of that has to do with him playing with zetterberg, who is playing *much* better of late, but it seems like they're making each other much better, which is the point of a good line.

in our current 3-game winning streak, datsyuk has 1 goal and no assists, franzen has no points, and homer has no points in the last five. and yet this one line is playing amazingly. if filppula and z can at least maintain half their recent level of play, and datsyuk and franzen get going again (they were hot a while ago, and can come back any time), and if we get some odd goals from cleary/eaves/miller/helm, we will be in great shape, IMO.

so, to the point, i could see flippula hitting 40 this year, if he keeps it up! let's hope for good confidence and 60 points next year!


Thing is, since the break we've been on fire - but we've only had 1 line clicking every night. Either the 1st line rules and we win, or the 2nd line rules and we win :) As long as one of the lines is clicking they can provide enough offense to win us a game.

As for Flip, I actually voted no despite being a card carrying Fillpulla slappy. He's such a streaky player. I guess his key now is having better streaks and shorter slumps.
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