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#61 Datsyerberger

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 02:07 PM

3 Conferences is a neat idea, but the NHL would never think that far outside the box.


Actually, I only got the idea because I read some article or another that said that the NHL might delay any divisional changes this upcoming season (keeping the Peg in the SE a year), because they were considering more sweeping changes, including possibilities of a 3 conference system.

Otherwise, it would have never come up for me :P But just looking at it, it definitely makes a lot more sense with the current layout of teams.
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Posted 23 May 2011 - 07:14 PM

Just tryin to think how the playoffs would work out...throw out conferences I guess..

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 07:47 PM

Another observation... someone argued that if the league went with a 15/15 Northern/Southern conference scenarion, the SC would essentially be a weakass semi-relegation conference. I decided to explore this on HF boards:

South (organized by seed this year):

Was 1
Sj 2
Phi 2
Pit 4
Ana 4
Nsh 5
Tb 5
La 6
Phx 6
Dal 9
Car 9
Stl 11
Clb 13
Col 14
Fla 15

Avg: 7.07; elaboration: only 4 teams that were bottom 5 in their respective conferences, 2 teams that missed the playoffs by a game, and 9 of this year's playoff teams with 2/4 of the teams of the conference finals, 4/6 the teams of the teams of the conference semi finals. 6 of HF's top 10 for org depth.

North:

Van 1
Bos 3
Det 3
Mtl 6
Buf 7
Chi 8
Nyr 8
Tor 10
Cgy 10
Nj 11
Wpg 12
Min 12
Ott 13
Nyi 14
Fla 15

Avg 8.86; elaboration: With the exception of 3 decent teams in the top 3nd, the other 4 playoff teams were bottom end this year, with 2 that made it in by the game. The rest of the conference is a collection of teams that are either on the rise or decline, but were solidly out of the playoffs in any case this year. It would be an opportunity for some of them to finally start make the playoffs regularly.


Holy crap, the South is stacked.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 09:06 PM

I say we get rid of the conferences altogether!! Have either 5 - 6 team divisions or 6 - 5 team divisions.

5 - 6 team divisions
Play each divisional team 6x (30 games)
Play the remainder of teams 2x (48 games)
Play 4 games based on traditional rivalry (4 games)

6 - 5 team divisions
Play each divisional team 6x (24 games)
Play the remainder of teams 2x (50 games)
Play 8 games based on traditional rivalry

The playoffs would be bracketed just like the NCAA tourney. No guaranteed playoffs for winning division!! If you division sucks ass and you can't finish in top of the league, you do NOT deserve to play in playoffs (see SE division for several years).

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 09:21 PM

Divisions that make sense include the highlighted Northwest, and Southwest, a Central where Dallas replaces Detroit, and an Eastern conference where Detroit moves into the Northeast, Buffalo to the Atlantic, and Pittsburgh to the Southeast. The divisions you have here are neat, but ridiculous. Regular games between Florida and Western Canada? Seriously? That's a nightmare trip. Chicago to Montreal is the longest "Eastern" conference trip, and it's shorter than Dallas to Miami, which is an IN-DIVISION trip in the "Western" conference. Completely ridiculous.

Cutting them up North/South instead, including the bottom two divisions plus Carolina, Chicago, Columbus, Pittsburgh, and Washington would make for much more equal travel. It also preserves most rivalries, although the Pens/Flyers, Wings/Blues, and Wings/Hawks are cut apart by it. It does bring back the Wings/Leafs rivalry, which most Wings fans would be more than happy to trade for. If the Atlanta sale falls through, Pittsburgh or Chicago ends up in the North, and a rivalry is saved.


I really like this. Puts travel way into perspective. The NHL needs to do this imo.

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 01:49 PM

Another take by me on N/S, this latest one is my favorite of the N/S options. Yet another repost from HF.

Worth pointing out that the conference names probably make a little more sense if they're reversed.

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 02:06 PM

It would be so awesome to have three other O6-teams (Leafs, Hawks, Habs) in the same division with Wings.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:33 AM

Nashville Predators could have chance to move to NHL Eastern Conference

A Detroit move could mean trouble for Nashville. The Predators have built a rivalry with the Red Wings amongst their home fans. This past season, the Predators sold out all three home games with Detroit.

When asked last week about looking into a move into the Eastern Conference, Poile sounded slightly open to the idea.

I think we should at least explore it, Poile said. I think, now weve built up 13 years of strong division rivalry. I think our fans identify strongly with teams in our division, but tell me Detroit is going to the East, then that changes things.


So in other words, if Nashville moves to the East, losing the rivalry with Detroit is okay. But if Detroit leaves that will really hurt. Talk about your double standards.

So we can't go to the East because Nashville can't sell out their arena without us? You've had a rivalry with the Wings for 13 years? Uhh, the Wings have a rivalry with the Rangers, Bruins, Canadiens and Maple Leafs that extends back to 1932. Yeah, why reconnect several 79 year old rivalries when you can have a rivalry with a franchise that can't sell out their own building unless they're playing against you?

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:39 AM

So we can't go to the East because Nashville can't sell out their arena without us?

Pretty much the same old argument we expected though. Also have to look at the teams out West like Anaheim, Phoenix, or LA that consistently can't sell their barn out unless it's a Wings West home game. Just the breaks of being such a well traveled team.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 01:18 PM

Pretty much the same old argument we expected though. Also have to look at the teams out West like Anaheim, Phoenix, or LA that consistently can't sell their barn out unless it's a Wings West home game. Just the breaks of being such a well traveled team.


Yeah, its an old argument that simply won't die and it should. If the Wings moved East, that would drastically increase the chances for Nashville, St Louis and Columbus to make the playoffs or have a higher seed. Look at it this way, if you're a Nashville fan, would you rather:

1) Guaranteed at least three sell outs as Wings fans fill your arena.

or

2) Have a better chance of winning the division, getting a higher seed and playing at least 2 additional home games. If they're a higher seed, it'll probably be more like 2-5 more home games. The fan base grows as the team has a more realistic shot at a championship.

A team like Columbus, that only made the playoffs once, should want the Wings out. Yeah, they probably sell out their arena when the Wings come to town too, but how does having the Red Wings beatdown the Jackets improve the fan base there?

I guess my point is: playoff games/extra home games > 3 home games against the Red Wings

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 02:49 PM

Pretty much the same old argument we expected though. Also have to look at the teams out West like Anaheim, Phoenix, or LA that consistently can't sell their barn out unless it's a Wings West home game. Just the breaks of being such a well traveled team.


In this case the NHL should really like my North/South scenario, since it moves all of the southern and struggling expansion markets into the same conference as the NHL's golden boy and his arch nemesis. One of the crappiest markets even gets to be in their shared division, joy of joys.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:21 PM

You know, looking at it from the angle of what would take the least travel time and preserve the current set-up most closely, the thing that makes the most sense to me would be to move Nashville to the Southeast (and have Minnesota take its spot in Central so Winnipeg can fit into the Northwest). Everybody's been talking about Detroit and Columbus because they're in the Eastern Time Zone, but it'd be more of a pain in the butt to have to realign every single division in the East to let in Detroit/Columbus somewhere in the Northeast/Atlantic than just to tell Nashville, "So you're an hour off - deal with it." I know most of us want the Wings to go to the East, but if I had to guess what was on the League's mind, I'd bet on moving Nashville.

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 09:27 PM

I would love to see the Conference system abandoned altogether. I find it disappointing that western teams can never compete directly for the Cup.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:11 AM

You know, looking at it from the angle of what would take the least travel time and preserve the current set-up most closely, the thing that makes the most sense to me would be to move Nashville to the Southeast (and have Minnesota take its spot in Central so Winnipeg can fit into the Northwest). Everybody's been talking about Detroit and Columbus because they're in the Eastern Time Zone, but it'd be more of a pain in the butt to have to realign every single division in the East to let in Detroit/Columbus somewhere in the Northeast/Atlantic than just to tell Nashville, "So you're an hour off - deal with it." I know most of us want the Wings to go to the East, but if I had to guess what was on the League's mind, I'd bet on moving Nashville.


Actually, no. The best option for travel all-around (calculated travel distances) with current conferences and roughly similar divisions is:

East:

NE: Det, Tor, Mtl, Ott, Buf (1 move, Det for Bos)
Atl: Phi, Nyr, Nyi, Njd, Bos (1 move, Bos for Pit)
SE: Pit, Was, Car, Tbl, Fla (1 move, Pit for Atl)

West:

Cen: Cbj, Nas, Dal, Chi, Stl (1 move, Det for Dal)
NW: Min, Wpg, Edm, Cgy, Col (1 move, Wpg for Van)
Pac: Van, Sjs, Phx, Lak, Ana (1 move, Van for Dal)

or

NW: Min, Wpg, Edm, Cgy, Van (1 move, Wpg for Col)
Pac: Sjs, Phx, Lak, Ana, Col (1 move, Col for Dal)

The first one is better for travel, the second one is better for whiny northwestern canadians.. I mean divisional rivalries.


NAS-> SE is a way worse option travel-wise. DET and CLB are the best option for all but 3 of the East teams, with them splitting it roughly even (slightly in CLBs favor). However, the BJs are a significantly better option for the Cen/majority of the West, and so is Nashville, and them together are a better option for the rest of the division than Detroit.

Based purely on travel, Detroit should be the one to move. It's also the only option that gives the NHL a good reason to put Crosby and Ovy (and Stamkos and Malkin) in the same division.

Edited by Datsyerberger, 03 June 2011 - 12:12 AM.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:26 AM

Posted this on HF, I think it would bring many benefits to the league and a number of teams. Among them include:

1. Better ratings for Phoenix
2. Marquee players in the West for media attention
3. Crosby, Ovy, and Toews all in the same division
4. Many struggling (be it on-ice or financial struggle) expansion teams given a better chance to compete, most notably in the Southeast
5. All of the NYC area and New York teams together, plus with Philly.

Northwest:

EDM
CGY
VAN
WPG
MIN

Pacific:

SJS
LAK
ANA
COL
DAL PHX

Central:

PIT
WAS
CHI
NSH CLB
STL


EAST

Southeast:

TBL
CAR
CLB NSH
FLA
OTT DAL

Atlantic:

NJD
NYI
NYR
BUF
PHI

Northeast:

DET
MTL
BOS
TOR
PHX OTT


Fixed. Sort of; Dallas ends up in the East because they're a logical fit for the Southeast if you take Washington away.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:50 AM

Fixed. Sort of; Dallas ends up in the East because they're a logical fit for the Southeast if you take Washington away.


You do realize that was a joke post, right, eva? :P The whole idea was to put Phoenix in a division with 4 huge O6 teams and see if they have problems with ratings then.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:54 AM

I would love to see the Conference system abandoned altogether. I find it disappointing that western teams can never compete directly for the Cup.


I've always liked the MLB/NFL method where it's not segregated between east and west.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:55 AM

You do realize that was a joke post, right, eva? :P The whole idea was to put Phoenix in a division with 4 huge O6 teams and see if they have problems with ratings then.


I figured you probably slotted them there intending for a Quebec move.

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:25 PM

Going back to the four conference idea someone posted 2-3 pages back, but slightly edited. What do you guys think of a 7-8 team conference, with 4 teams from each making the post-season, and a final four to determine the Stanley Cup champions? Also, you can name the conferences by geographical direction or go a more creative approach [example: Rockies (w), Great Lakes (n), Sun Belt (s), Appalachians (e)].

P.S.: I can see to potential problems for the NHL (but positives for us Detroiters) that can come out of this:
1. Phoenix will lose Detroit support and moves to Quebec, the West moves down to 7 teams, and the East moves up to 8 teams.
2. Tampa will be almost guaranteed a final four spot each year with a pathetic South like that. Go Stevie Y!

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 12:44 PM

Going back to the four conference idea someone posted 2-3 pages back, but slightly edited. What do you guys think of a 7-8 team conference, with 4 teams from each making the post-season, and a final four to determine the Stanley Cup champions? Also, you can name the conferences by geographical direction or go a more creative approach [example: Rockies (w), Great Lakes (n), Sun Belt (s), Appalachians (e)].

P.S.: I can see to potential problems for the NHL (but positives for us Detroiters) that can come out of this:
1. Phoenix will lose Detroit support and moves to Quebec, the West moves down to 7 teams, and the East moves up to 8 teams.
2. Tampa will be almost guaranteed a final four spot each year with a pathetic South like that. Go Stevie Y!


I like your setup quite a bit...only problem I can see is that Montreal is the only Canadian team in the East...won't they whine about that?

Also I'm not sure what you mean by a "Final Four" to determine the champions.

And to the other guy who made a "Bettman Conference".... :blink:





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