Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 1) Assuming the reports of a $57.7m cap are true 2) Assuming Jiri Hudler returns to the Wings Then we are looking at a Wings roster starting from a base of seven forwards, five defensemen, and two goaltenders with a combined cap hit of $43,662,876 which means the team needs to sign six more forwards and two more defensemen, plus perhaps one additional skater, and has $14,037,124 in cap space to do it with. Free agent skaters from this year's roster: Forwards: RFA: Abdelkader, Eaves, Helm, Miller, Ritola UFA: Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Maltby, May, Williams Defense: RFA: Meech UFA: Janik, Lebda, Lidstrom, Lilja Likely, the Wings will sign six forwards and three defensemen, and leave the 23rd roster slot empty. So the situation is, who do you add to the roster? F: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Draper. D: Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl G: Osgood, Howard The Wings need some bottom-six forwards. They also need to re-sign Lidstrom, or sign another top-pairing defenseman to replace him. We'll go with a couple of reasonable assumptions here. 1) Older players with a history of injury who have accomplished major goals and suffered major injury recently often end up retiring. 2) The Wings have recently been looking towards getting younger, while retaining a focus on home-grown players as much as possible. 3) The Wings' playing style focuses on two-way play and puck possession, but with an added element of grit and physicality that is often overlooked because their star players are not as gritty as their support players. So; We'll say that Maltby and Lilja are likely to retire. Holmstrom and Bertuzzi both are possibilities for retirement as well. The Wings will likely re-sign forwards Abdelkader, Eaves, Helm, and Miller, and will probably keep one of Homer or Bert, most likely Homer. Overall, expect a total of $5.5m-$6m spent on these forwards. On defense, Lidstrom is likely to return, and the Wings are unlikely to place either Ericsson or Kindl in a 7th defenseman role; it is more likely they will shake up the defensive pairings and we see less of Lids/Raffi and Kronner/Stuart with Ericsson and Kindl slipping in on shifts with skilled vets. Meech is the most likely defenseman to be signed for the 7th defenseman role, as he has proven effective when called upon, and the Wings are unlikely to sign a defenseman who makes more than Kindl or Ericsson specifically for the 7th defenseman role when for peanuts they can retain a young, home-grown defenseman like Meech who is developing well into a solid all-around defenseman. As far as the defense situation goes,let Lebda and Meech go and bring up Kindl and re-sign Janik. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 I like Cleary but he's overpaid for 3rd line winger... Trade Hudler - there is no roster space for him on 2 top lines... As far as the defense situation goes,let Lebda and Meech go and bring up Kindl and re-sign Janik. Bring up Kindl and sign Carkner or Erskine as 7th def... Lids - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Kindl Carkner/Erskine If Lids is gone - trade for Kaberle and sign Corvo or Kubina Kaberle - Rafalski Corvo/Kubina - Kronwall Stuart - Ericsson/Kindl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted April 17, 2010 1) Assuming the reports of a $57.7m cap are true 2) Assuming Jiri Hudler returns to the Wings Then we are looking at a Wings roster starting from a base of seven forwards, five defensemen, and two goaltenders with a combined cap hit of $43,662,876 which means the team needs to sign six more forwards and two more defensemen, plus perhaps one additional skater, and has $14,037,124 in cap space to do it with. Free agent skaters from this year's roster: Forwards: RFA: Abdelkader, Eaves, Helm, Miller, Ritola UFA: Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Maltby, May, Williams Defense: RFA: Meech UFA: Janik, Lebda, Lidstrom, Lilja Likely, the Wings will sign six forwards and three defensemen, and leave the 23rd roster slot empty. So the situation is, who do you add to the roster? F: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Draper. D: Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl G: Osgood, Howard The Wings need some bottom-six forwards. They also need to re-sign Lidstrom, or sign another top-pairing defenseman to replace him. We'll go with a couple of reasonable assumptions here. 1) Older players with a history of injury who have accomplished major goals and suffered major injury recently often end up retiring. 2) The Wings have recently been looking towards getting younger, while retaining a focus on home-grown players as much as possible. 3) The Wings' playing style focuses on two-way play and puck possession, but with an added element of grit and physicality that is often overlooked because their star players are not as gritty as their support players. So; We'll say that Maltby and Lilja are likely to retire. Holmstrom and Bertuzzi both are possibilities for retirement as well. The Wings will likely re-sign forwards Abdelkader, Eaves, Helm, and Miller, and will probably keep one of Homer or Bert, most likely Homer. Overall, expect a total of $5.5m-$6m spent on these forwards. On defense, Lidstrom is likely to return, and the Wings are unlikely to place either Ericsson or Kindl in a 7th defenseman role; it is more likely they will shake up the defensive pairings and we see less of Lids/Raffi and Kronner/Stuart with Ericsson and Kindl slipping in on shifts with skilled vets. Meech is the most likely defenseman to be signed for the 7th defenseman role, as he has proven effective when called upon, and the Wings are unlikely to sign a defenseman who makes more than Kindl or Ericsson specifically for the 7th defenseman role when for peanuts they can retain a young, home-grown defenseman like Meech who is developing well into a solid all-around defenseman. Uhh..... Lilja is 34 (not retiring). Holmstrom is 37, but has already stated he'd like to return and more than likely will, he's had another strong season. Bertuzzi is 35 (again, not retiring). If Bert will take 1.5 mil again, I wouldn't be suprised if we re-sign him. he's a strong player who can play 2nd line or 3rd line and that's just smart depth, plus his defensive play has picked up and he hasn't taken as many boneheaded penalties so he's become a stronger player with this team. This is the way I envision it, with minimal changes to the roster from this past season: Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom (13 mil) Filppula - Zetterberg - Hudler (11.9 mil) Cleary - Helm - Eaves (4.8 mil) Miller - Abdelkader - Draper (3.1 mil) 13th forward swapping out with Draper: Barch, Nichol, Mair (Basically someone who is versatile and possibly physical - ala Brad May) (.600) Lidstrom - Rafalski (10 mil) Stuart - Kronwall (6.8 mil) Lilja - Ericsson (2.2 mil) Meech or Kindl (I can see us possibly trading Kindl since he hasn't exactly lived up to expectations in GR) (.600) Howard Osgood (My thoughts is we'll let his contract run out, but he has been a positive influence on Howard and mentoring him very well, so I say keep him around at least until after next season) (2.2 mil) Grand Total: $55.2 Million Dollars I'm sure I'm way off, but this would be a solid (healthy) roster and we would be in the race again next season. There are a few variables, I figured Lidstrom would resign for $4 mil just like Yzerman took less his last couple of years in order to help the team out. These figures don't include Bertuzzi, however I feel they'll try and fit him in somehow, just not sure if that means they'll let Miller or Eaves go... but I hope not. I could see Miller being expendable, but his PK has been outstanding, could be solid since Maltby is gone now and Draper is next up. Still wish we could add an outright scoring machine much like Hossa or Kovalchuk, but not likely to ever happen. I like Cleary but he's overpaid for 3rd line winger... Trade Hudler - there is no roster space for him on 2 top lines... Bring up Kindl and sign Carkner or Erskine as 7th def... Lids - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Kindl Carkner/Erskine If Lids is gone - trade for Kaberle and sign Corvo or Kubina Kaberle - Rafalski Corvo/Kubina - Kronwall Stuart - Ericsson/Kindl As much as I like Kaberle, he is not known to be very strong on the defensive side of the game... Not who i'd like to see replace Lidstrom's role. Although that's going to be a very big pair of skates to fill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 I like Cleary but he's overpaid for 3rd line winger... Trade Hudler - there is no roster space for him on 2 top lines... Most of the rosters being posted have Hudler on the first or second line. To post lines from my roster earlier: Cleary/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler Miller/Filppula/Abdelkader Draper/Helm/Eaves Ritola Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl/Stuart Meech Howard Osgood Bring up Kindl and sign Carkner or Erskine as 7th def... Lids - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Kindl Carkner/Erskine So spend more than $1m on a guy who will probably play 20-30 games? Intelligent use of the cap. If Lids is gone - trade for Kaberle and sign Corvo or Kubina Kaberle - Rafalski Corvo/Kubina - Kronwall Stuart - Ericsson/Kindl Trading for Kaberle makes sense; the question is, what do we give up? They might take a 1st pick plus a prospect or two like McGrath or Oulahen. But at that point, you don't have the money or space to ALSO sign Corvo/Kubina. The 5/6/7 will be Ericsson/Kindl and one of Meech or Lilja. The only two questions are whether Lids returns, and whether Meech or Lilja is back. It's even possible that the Wings decide that, if Lids retires, to go with Kronwall/Rafalski/Stuart/Lilja/Ericsson/Kindl/Meech as the defensive corps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 I like Cleary but he's overpaid for 3rd line winger... Trade Hudler - there is no roster space for him on 2 top lines... Bring up Kindl and sign Carkner or Erskine as 7th def... Lids - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Ericsson - Kindl Carkner/Erskine If Lids is gone - trade for Kaberle and sign Corvo or Kubina Kaberle - Rafalski Corvo/Kubina - Kronwall Stuart - Ericsson/Kindl I'd love to see Carkner or Erskine here.Shane O'Brien would be nice too.I don't think Kindl will be a definite 6th spot pairing with Ericsson.Signing a defensive defensemen with some experience makes sense.The list goes on and on as far as possible shut down defensemen we could bring in for cheap.Lidstrom will be back next year the way i see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 (edited) Most of the rosters being posted have Hudler on the first or second line. To post lines from my roster earlier: Cleary/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler Miller/Filppula/Abdelkader Draper/Helm/Eaves Ritola Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl/Stuart Meech Howard Osgood So spend more than $1m on a guy who will probably play 20-30 games? Intelligent use of the cap. Trading for Kaberle makes sense; the question is, what do we give up? They might take a 1st pick plus a prospect or two like McGrath or Oulahen. But at that point, you don't have the money or space to ALSO sign Corvo/Kubina. The 5/6/7 will be Ericsson/Kindl and one of Meech or Lilja. The only two questions are whether Lids returns, and whether Meech or Lilja is back. It's even possible that the Wings decide that, if Lids retires, to go with Kronwall/Rafalski/Stuart/Lilja/Ericsson/Kindl/Meech as the defensive corps. Why would you break up Franzen - Dats - Homer or Bert - Flip - Zetterberg ??? Let's not forget that Cleary started season on 1st line - and finished on the 3rd line. He very good 3rd liner but let's be honest here, Cleary on the 1st line is CRAZY. Flip is 2nd line player and let keep him on 2nd line - more he play, better he plays. Hudler is nice player but is the last thing we need right now - another small/soft skilled player, it should be NO THANKS. Abdelkader is not winger and he CAN'T play as a winger - he need/play as CENTER - keep that in your mind. Ericsson top 4 def - not sure about that one either. Erskine is $1.25M / Carkner is $.5M - You need to replace Lilja (he will never be the same) by one of them or someone similar... Trading for Kaberle - well I would trade Hudler and maybe a prospect for Kaberle (IF LIDS IS GONE). Going after Corvo or Kubina it's NEED - we have only 1 RH Def. It provides you better option than keeping Williams at the point - something that most of posters also wanted. EDIT: Good luck with your 2nd PP unit... Edited April 18, 2010 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Most of the rosters being posted have Hudler on the first or second line. To post lines from my roster earlier: Cleary/Datsyuk/Holmstrom Franzen/Zetterberg/Hudler Miller/Filppula/Abdelkader Draper/Helm/Eaves Ritola Lidstrom/Rafalski Kronwall/Ericsson Kindl/Stuart Meech Howard Osgood So spend more than $1m on a guy who will probably play 20-30 games? Intelligent use of the cap. Trading for Kaberle makes sense; the question is, what do we give up? They might take a 1st pick plus a prospect or two like McGrath or Oulahen. But at that point, you don't have the money or space to ALSO sign Corvo/Kubina. The 5/6/7 will be Ericsson/Kindl and one of Meech or Lilja. The only two questions are whether Lids returns, and whether Meech or Lilja is back. It's even possible that the Wings decide that, if Lids retires, to go with Kronwall/Rafalski/Stuart/Lilja/Ericsson/Kindl/Meech as the defensive corps. Lidstrom $7,450,000 (2009/2010) Kaberle $4,250,000 (2009/2010) Corvo $2,750,000 (2009/2010) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Why would you break up Franzen - Dats - Homer or Bert - Flip - Zetterberg ??? Let's not forget that Cleary started season on 1st line - and finished on the 3rd line. He very good 3rd liner but let's be honest here, Cleary on the 1st line is CRAZY. Flip is 2nd line player and let keep him on 2nd line - more he play, better he plays. Hudler is nice player but is the last thing we need right now - another small/soft skilled player, it should be NO THANKS. Abdelkader is not winger and he CAN'T play as a winger - he need/play as CENTER - keep that in your mind. Ericsson top 4 def - not sure about that one either. Erskine is $1.25M / Carkner is $.5M - You need to replace Lilja (he will never be the same) by one of them or someone similar... Trading for Kaberle - well I would trade Hudler and maybe a prospect for Kaberle (IF LIDS IS GONE). Going after Corvo or Kubina it's NEED - we have only 1 RH Def. It provides you better option than keeping Williams at the point - something that most of posters also wanted. EDIT: Good luck with your 2nd PP unit... Holmstrom plays best with Datsyuk.As far as defense goes,Lidstrom should be back.Let Lilja,Meech,and Lebda walk and bring up Kindl and sign a rugged defensive defensemen such as: 1.Andy Sutton 2.Shane O'Brien 3.John Erskine 4.Matt Carkner 5.Shane Hnidy 6.Sheldon Brookbank 7.Jay Leach 8.Nick Boynton 9.Jeff Woywitka 10.Willie Mitchell 11.Aaron Ward 12.Steve Montador 13.Jim Vandermeer 14.Steve Staios 15.Jason Strudwick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Miller and Eaves why ? we dont need both as much as i like Miller, Eaves is a better player and will be the one that stays. To keep Millers 19pts over Berts 45pts would be crazy almost as crazy as Cleary on line 1. Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Zetterberg-Filppula-Hudler Cleary-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi Eaves-Helm-Draper Ritola Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Lilja-Ericcson Kindl if Lids retires Willie Mitchell id try and pick up Kronwall-Rafalski Mitchell-Stuart Lilja-Ericcson Kindl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Miller and Eaves why ? we dont need both as much as i like Miller, Eaves is a better player and will be the one that stays. To keep Millers 19pts over Berts 45pts would be crazy almost as crazy as Cleary on line 1. Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Zetterberg-Filppula-Hudler Cleary-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi Eaves-Helm-Draper Ritola Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Lilja-Ericcson Kindl I can get behind this line-up. I don't imagine Lids will retire, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rockitman 11 Report post Posted April 19, 2010 If Hudler comes back, I really don't see any new additions of significance. Maybe a backup keeper... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Maybe a backup keeper... There are no goalies in the league better than Osgood who would cost the Wings as much or less than Osgood. Goalies who: 1) Have lower cap hits than Osgood 2) Have deals for next season 3) Would potentially be upgrades in skill Are: Tuukka Rask, Bos $1.25m Steve Mason, Clb $905k Semyon Varlamov, Wsh $822k Rask is the only goalie there who is not on an entry level deal. He signed a two year deal with Boston coming off his entry level deal, and signed it expecting to back up Tim Thomas, the reigning Vezina winner. None of these goalies would be acquirable without giving up significant assets. The chances of Howard being a required piece of the deal is likely, meaning to acquire any of them as backup would mean they are backing up Osgood. There are no UFA goalies who would be upgrades, so what exactly do you suggest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted April 28, 2010 (edited) You guys are all dreaming. 23 man roster: Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Filppula Hudler - Helm - Cleary Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves Draper, Ritola Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Lilja - Ericsson Kindl Howard Osgood Edited May 20, 2010 by mmamolo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crater 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2010 You guys are all dreaming. Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Filppula Hudler - Helm - Cleary Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves Draper Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Lilja - Ericsson Kindl Howard Osgood If i'm not mistaken, Ritola has to come up like Kindl does or we loose him. I do however have strange new feelings about a Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves line. I likes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 28, 2010 If i'm not mistaken, Ritola has to come up like Kindl does or we loose him. I do however have strange new feelings about a Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves line. I likes. I hope they re-sign Brad May. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 29, 2010 You guys are all dreaming. Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Filppula Hudler - Helm - Cleary Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves Draper Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Stuart Lilja - Ericsson Kindl Howard Osgood Let's look at this lineup from a cap hit perspective. Oh, and we're adding Ritola because he's out of options. 14 skaters currently signed for a $43,662,876 cap hit. F: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Draper D: Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl G: Osgood, Howard So add RFA contract deals for: The next four are all PK specialists receiving small raises Helm ($1m) Miller ($750k) Abdelkader ($1m) Eaves (1m, his raise is likely slightly bigger than the other three due to his buyout ending) Ritola (650k, minor raise pluse a promotion to the NHL) and UFA deals for Holmstrom ($2m, he'll probably take a paycut if he doesn't retire) Bertuzzi ($2.5m, as he'll want some thing more than $1.5m because his buyout is ending - He is making $3m this season, half from the Ducks.) Lidstrom ($4.5m tops to allow for more cap space) Lilja (1m, if not less assuming he doesn't retire due to injuries) Let's see how that adds up. Overall, with these numbers, it goes over the cap by $363k. Without Ritola, obviously it does not. Probably some players' cap hits will be different to a degree, but the overall should be fairly similar if you try and keep all of these players. It's likely only one of Bertuzzi and Holmstrom return, which would solve the cap issue quickly and easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anfronee129 1 Report post Posted April 29, 2010 Why is everybody so intent on having Hudler back? i dont think thats what we need. i think that abdelkader should train hard this off season and bring him up to atleast the 3rd line. I think he has amazing potential, hes so young, has so much heart and is such a great defensive forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 29, 2010 Why is everybody so intent on having Hudler back? i dont think thats what we need. i think that abdelkader should train hard this off season and bring him up to atleast the 3rd line. I think he has amazing potential, hes so young, has so much heart and is such a great defensive forward. Don't tell people on here that Hudler isn't what we need.Just a warning from experience.but i agree with you. 1 Dominator2005 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikl657 2 Report post Posted May 1, 2010 Let's look at this lineup from a cap hit perspective. Oh, and we're adding Ritola because he's out of options. 14 skaters currently signed for a $43,662,876 cap hit. F: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Cleary, Draper D: Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl G: Osgood, Howard So add RFA contract deals for: The next four are all PK specialists receiving small raises Helm ($1m) Miller ($750k) Abdelkader ($1m) Eaves (1m, his raise is likely slightly bigger than the other three due to his buyout ending) Ritola (650k, minor raise pluse a promotion to the NHL) and UFA deals for Holmstrom ($2m, he'll probably take a paycut if he doesn't retire) Bertuzzi ($2.5m, as he'll want some thing more than $1.5m because his buyout is ending - He is making $3m this season, half from the Ducks.) Lidstrom ($4.5m tops to allow for more cap space) Lilja (1m, if not less assuming he doesn't retire due to injuries) Let's see how that adds up. Overall, with these numbers, it goes over the cap by $363k. Without Ritola, obviously it does not. Probably some players' cap hits will be different to a degree, but the overall should be fairly similar if you try and keep all of these players. It's likely only one of Bertuzzi and Holmstrom return, which would solve the cap issue quickly and easily. no way lid signs for 4.5, at least 5.5 if not 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted May 3, 2010 I'd keep Lilja for around $1m. trade Kronwall for a second line scorer. buyout or trade both Ozzie and Draper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mjtm77 Report post Posted May 3, 2010 no way lid signs for 4.5, at least 5.5 if not 6 How stupid are you 6 mil for lids at most it will be 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted May 4, 2010 Why would you want Lilja back??? I say go after R def who can play on 2nd PP unit. Boychuk would be GREAT addition to this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hossa4Life 4 Report post Posted May 5, 2010 i no one lose JASON F***ING WILLIAMS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted May 5, 2010 i no one lose JASON F***ING WILLIAMS Jason William's dad could beat up your dad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikl657 2 Report post Posted May 8, 2010 How stupid are you 6 mil for lids at most it will be 5 I think your being a little niave, I believe lids is tied for points as defensemen in these playoffs so far and is leading the goals category too I believe (if not top 3), he still is one of the top defensemen in the league and I think 6 million would be reasonable considering that gives us some breathing room.. 4.5-5 would be a insult Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
