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Ville Leino 1/3 of Philly's offensive unit

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apparently you think 55 games with an average about 13 minutes on the ice is the enough time to determine a players potential but i doubt ken holland is so dim witted. Facts are Leino was a perfect fit for the wings. hes a puck possesion player and if you wanna talk about chipping in with key goals how about a game winner in the 13 games he played last season and two game winners for us this year. not to mention one in the finals for the flyers.

It has everything to do with frontloaded contracts. i can think of atleast 3 huge contracts were paying for mostly up front and its putting us in a cap bind. if we didnt have to make room for franzens contact when he came back from injury ville wouldnt have gone anywhere and maybe he wouldve added some much need points in our series against the sharks. god knows drew miller wasnt doing it.

Obviously you don't understand how contracts work. Front loaded means lower cap hit. If it wasn't for front loaded contracts, Zetterberg's cap hit would be $7.4 million and Franzen's cap hit would be $5.5 million. Do you understand that? Not sure why you are bringing front loaded contracts into the equation, unless you are suggesting Holland should have let Franzen walk in order to keep an under-performing Leino?

In regards to Leino's ice time, Babcock tried giving him top 6 minutes with Zetterberg, but Leino was a defensive risk and was absolutely horrible. He was lazy, played soft, out of position and didn't chase the puck -- While Drew Miller was playing like beast. Leino was useless. Holland traded him because he was the worst player at the time... and I stand behind his decision, he did what he had to do at the time. It's Leino's fault for being traded.

Lasty, to your last statement:

"maybe he wouldve added some much need points in our series against the sharks. god knows drew miller wasnt doing it"

Maybe, or maybe not. My guess would be the latter. Leino proved he couldn't/wouldn't or didn't want to play in the Winged wheel. And to be honest, I doubt Red Wings would had even made the playoffs if Holland didn't trade Leino.

Man if hind sight was 20/20. Not! Holland made the right choice at the time.

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im saying lets trade franzen and his ridiculous contract that was only made that way because we were trying to keep him and hossa but that didnt work out and now its going to kill us. then maybe we wouldnt have to give up players. and leino wasnt lazy he controlled the puck deep in the corners and drove to the net constantly. he avereged 13 min a game so you can take those top six minutes and shove them. sorry he didnt produce the six games he had good minutes for. best thing we can do is get rid of franzen while he still has some value, jimmy howard too while were at it. and all i could do was laugh at drew miller playing like a beast. that kid had so many chances he didnt bury it was nuts. were trying to cheat the cap system and its going to kill us in the coming years if we dont change it. ville leino is just the tip of the ice berg. remember that next year when his "lazy" skateing puts up 30 goals next year. even if it is in the weak eastern conference.

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..Then man-up and make a prediction. SteveKrause has boldly stated what he forsees for young Leino. That takes balls - he is giving people the chance to come back one day and say "look how dumb you are(were)!". That takes confidence, and it takes honesty. I not-so-boldly predict that Leino will never amount to anything more than an also-ran. He'll be a fine 30 point per year non-checker on a checking line. That's it. He doesn't have the drive to be a career 1st liner nor does he have the sack to excell as a role player. My prediction is that he plays less than 8 years in the league.

What do you predict for him, Finnish Wing?

You must be new to the internet.

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You must be new to the internet.

I don't get your comment, but I'll bite. I did not forsee Leino *ever* playing as well in the NHL as he did in these playoffs. Good for him, I hope he can keep it up and I hope he has a solid career!

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I don't get your comment, but I'll bite. I did not forsee Leino *ever* playing as well in the NHL as he did in these playoffs. Good for him, I hope he can keep it up and I hope he has a solid career!

...I did mark the section that I thought was suspect and it was entirely off topic. I'm not sure if you were being ironic or anything - in retrospect you did lay it on pretty strong so maybe you weren't being serious. But you really think that making predictions like this takes much "courage"?

I root for Leino for pretty much the same reason why I root for Hudler but to a much lesser degree. Not gonna go into the reasons because they get re-hashed every time there's a thread about either. In any case I hope that Leino will do even better next and future seasons. But I PREDICT that he'll have maybe a couple of 60+ point seasons given the right line-mates and enough PP-time (that goes for Hudler as well) but still devolve to some kind of PP specialist eventually anyway. But, if in 3 years it turns out that my prediction was completely wrong I probably won't care that much... If he wins the Art Ross I'll probably care I guess but otherwise... not really. And that was the point of my original post.

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I still see this as nothing more than a hot streak and no one can say anything about him until he has a FULL, solid season in the NHL... let's re-visit this at the end of next season and THEN we can have a legit debate.

This is true, and to it seemed like the pressure of last season got to him with the wings, and only wings fans knew what he could do...Now he has captured the attention of NHL fans everywhere, NOW Ville has pressure lol we shall see how he does.

Best of luck Leinogoal.gif

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And to be honest, I doubt Red Wings would had even made the playoffs if Holland didn't trade Leino.

Huh?

What?

How does trading or not trading a third/fourth line forward determine whether or not the Wings make the playoffs?

Trading Leino allowed the Wings to activate Franzen. Would you have rather they waited, or traded perhaps Justin Abdelkader or Darren Helm instead? I'm sure keeping Leino over one of those two would have ruined the Wings' regular season and cost them 12 points in the standings.

Does that mean Abdelkader and Helm should be in the running for the Hart? Sure sounds like it given the impact on the team's success they apparently had.

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Huh?

What?

How does trading or not trading a third/fourth line forward determine whether or not the Wings make the playoffs?

Trading Leino allowed the Wings to activate Franzen. Would you have rather they waited, or traded perhaps Justin Abdelkader or Darren Helm instead? I'm sure keeping Leino over one of those two would have ruined the Wings' regular season and cost them 12 points in the standings.

Does that mean Abdelkader and Helm should be in the running for the Hart? Sure sounds like it given the impact on the team's success they apparently had.

So you and I both agree that Detroit is a much better team without Leino then, right?

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