Inultus 12 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 I know I can't expect these guys to play like Lidstrom, but seriously even in my beer league we've figured out that it's dumb to put the puck in front of your own goal. These two just keep doing it consistently. When Lilja first came back he looked pretty good but now he's back to his old ways. Even Helm had a nasty giveaway last night but I will forgive him because he rarely does that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilmickeyli 40 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Yeah I don't know why they try to make a quick pass up front like that, its hockey 101 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey&beer 16 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 The Wings have been clearing the puck to the front of the net for years. The only problem is that the D doesn't always look before they throw it out there. As far as horrible turnovers go by Wings D, I'd put a vote in for Rafalski. He seems to give it away at the blue line at least once a game, if not a period. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Everyone has lapses... take the good with the bad, they are both damn good d-men and I will take their mental lapses here and there for all they BOTH bring that FAR outweighs it... not everyone will be Lidstrom. 3 zettie85, Frozen-Man and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Everyone has lapses... take the good with the bad, they are both damn good d-men and I will take their mental lapses here and there for all they BOTH bring that FAR outweighs it... not everyone will be Lidstrom. This. And haven't you noticed that since Lilja's return the defense has gotten better overall? His presence on the PK was a huge boost and has continued to help a ton. It's also positively affected the growth of Ericsson, so I'm all for the Pain Train, even with his few brain farts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 This. And haven't you noticed that since Lilja's return the defense has gotten better overall? His presence on the PK was a huge boost and has continued to help a ton. It's also positively affected the growth of Ericsson, so I'm all for the Pain Train, even with his few brain farts. +2 Lets not start dogging Lilja at all. He has been great after not playing for a YEAR and has given the D a big boost. He has played much better than most expected and has been solid since his return.It allows us to sit Lebda the pylon, which for me is the right thing to do. He has always (throughout his career) been guilty of turnovers, but thats the flaw of his game, and every player has one. In return you get a big guy who always finishes a check and blocks shots all the time. As for stewie...well, he was, until the Olympic break, the best D on the roster in terms of consistancy. Above and beyond that, he rocks anyone that comes streaking in with there head down so I am totally cool with both these guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Lilja & Stuart are no Lebda & Ericsson 2 Zetts and zettie85 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 (edited) I know I can't expect these guys to play like Lidstrom, but seriously even in my beer league we've figured out that it's dumb to put the puck in front of your own goal. These two just keep doing it consistently. When Lilja first came back he looked pretty good but now he's back to his old ways. Even Helm had a nasty giveaway last night but I will forgive him because he rarely does that. You started a thread moaning about Lilja giving away the puck? The man didn't play for a year. Cut him a little slack, many think he is doing well. Shocked you did not make a thread about Bert making blind half ass passes for a give n go, yet the opposing team takes the puck, and it leads to a scoring chance. not everyone will be Lidstrom. People who play D in some beer leagues would disagree with you *points at the OP* Edited April 2, 2010 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Lilja is singlehandedly responsible for the team's turnaround, yet he gets called out. If you're going to blame anyone for screwing up defensively, blame the $6 million dollar man Rafalski, who has not gotten any smarter in his own zone with age and maturity, like players are supposed to get. 1 zettie85 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 at least they dont pull big rig passes (suicide passes or passes right into the skates). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Bert is the frigging worst for this. I swear he must get free curly fries for every retarded pass he throws out to a ghost into the slot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Bert is the frigging worst for this. I swear he must get free curly fries for every retarded pass he throws out to a ghost into the slot. and its always some no-look between the legs pass. when you are already known for being a defensive floater just keep it simple! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 and its always some no-look between the legs pass. when you are already known for being a defensive floater just keep it simple! lol exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted April 2, 2010 lol exactly. Andrew Ladd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hardcoretom21 71 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Speaking of Lilja.. I haven't seen him throw the body as much as he has in the past.. Maybe he's still overly cautious around physical play? I might also add that I've never watched more Wings hockey than this year (Thank you Drumnj, I man-love you), and this scares me even more now with finals coming up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Bert is the frigging worst for this. I swear he must get free curly fries for every retarded pass he throws out to a ghost into the slot. He may not pass good but he has a mean volleyball spike! 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 (edited) Lilja is singlehandedly responsible for the team's turnaround, yet he gets called out. If you're going to blame anyone for screwing up defensively, blame the $6 million dollar man Rafalski, who has not gotten any smarter in his own zone with age and maturity, like players are supposed to get. Thank you! 3.5 of that 6 mil would be better off spent somewhere else. Maybe towards Lilja`s new contract. Edited April 2, 2010 by zettie85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Bert is the frigging worst for this. I swear he must get free curly fries for every retarded pass he throws out to a ghost into the slot. That's because Bertuzzi is a ******* moron of a hockey player. No hockey sense at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Thank you! 3.5 of that 6 mil would be better off spent somewhere else. Maybe towards Lilja`s new contract. Rafalski has 39 points and is +22 Chara has 40 points and is a +15. Brian Campbell has 38 points and is a +18 Scott Niedermayer has 46 points but is a -11 Dan Boyle has 56 points and is a +4 Phaneauf has 29 points and is 0 Ed Jovanovski has 34 points and is a -12 Wade Redden has 14 points and is a plus 6 Kimmo Timonen has 36 points and is a -3 Chris Pronger has 54 points and is a +23 ALL OF THESE PLAYERS make more than Rafalski and the only one having a better season is Pronger. STOP THE HATE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Rafalski is having a better season than Boyle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Rafalski is having a better season than Boyle? he has a ton of points im not denying that. but to have that many points and to be a +4 says something, and its not like the Sharks arent a bit loaded up front. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vOrophin 5 Report post Posted April 2, 2010 Rafalski has 39 points and is +22 Chara has 40 points and is a +15. Brian Campbell has 38 points and is a +18 Scott Niedermayer has 46 points but is a -11 Dan Boyle has 56 points and is a +4 Phaneauf has 29 points and is 0 Ed Jovanovski has 34 points and is a -12 Wade Redden has 14 points and is a plus 6 Kimmo Timonen has 36 points and is a -3 Chris Pronger has 54 points and is a +23 ALL OF THESE PLAYERS make more than Rafalski and the only one having a better season is Pronger. STOP THE HATE! The majority of Rafalski's minutes are with Lidstrom. I'm not saying that's the only reason, but it helps him look much better. Rafalski is a solid D man no matter what anyone says on LGW, he makes more errors than Lids and really isn't as good in any way, but he is still good. Maybe not 6 mil good, but on average I'd say he is our 2nd best D man (Kronwall is better on his good days, worse on his not as good days). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted April 3, 2010 Rafalski has 39 points and is +22 Chara has 40 points and is a +15. Brian Campbell has 38 points and is a +18 Scott Niedermayer has 46 points but is a -11 Dan Boyle has 56 points and is a +4 Phaneauf has 29 points and is 0 Ed Jovanovski has 34 points and is a -12 Wade Redden has 14 points and is a plus 6 Kimmo Timonen has 36 points and is a -3 Chris Pronger has 54 points and is a +23 ALL OF THESE PLAYERS make more than Rafalski and the only one having a better season is Pronger. STOP THE HATE! Nobody is saying Rafalski is no good and can't score. I'm just saying that no one wants their 35+ year old D-man turning pucks over and being caught out of position like a rookie. The one thing that isn't supposed to get worse with age is hockey smarts. Rafalski still makes too many bad mistakes defensively, when he should have aged out of that with experience. I don't think it's fair to blame Stuart and Lilja for making a few casual mistakes, but not bringing Rafalski's name up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted April 3, 2010 Rafalski has 39 points and is +22 Chara has 40 points and is a +15. Brian Campbell has 38 points and is a +18 Scott Niedermayer has 46 points but is a -11 Dan Boyle has 56 points and is a +4 Phaneauf has 29 points and is 0 Ed Jovanovski has 34 points and is a -12 Wade Redden has 14 points and is a plus 6 Kimmo Timonen has 36 points and is a -3 Chris Pronger has 54 points and is a +23 ALL OF THESE PLAYERS make more than Rafalski and the only one having a better season is Pronger. STOP THE HATE! You forgot one thing: Faralski has played with the best player this decade since he got here. He has great offensive skills but his defensive deficiencies are covered by his defensive partner. If he was with Kronwall or Stuart he would look even worse. 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 3, 2010 (edited) This. And haven't you noticed that since Lilja's return the defense has gotten better overall? His presence on the PK was a huge boost and has continued to help a ton. It's also positively affected the growth of Ericsson, so I'm all for the Pain Train, even with his few brain farts. Agreed. Now I just wish the two of them would start to use their size and play with an edge. With E at 6'4" and 206 lbs, Lillypads at 6'3" 228, they should be knocking guys around out there. Honestly if Ericsson took a penalty for crosschecking someone hard in front of the net, I'd probably cheer. Edited April 3, 2010 by haroldsnepsts 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
