Cap to $57.7m

[tdinc 45]

Trade or No re-sign

Drapes

Malts

Lebda

Ericsson

Ozzie

Time to move on,,,

Edited April 4, 2010 by tdinc

[newfy 695]

Yes he is. He's still the best defensive d-man in the league.

But he's 40 and he knows that a drop off is expected. He's had a consistent dropped off offensively over the last two years that's mostly due to his slow starts getting slower and slower. Right now he's still almost a point per game player if you only count the games after Christmas.

But the point is that at age 40 you have to expect a drop off. I honestly think he's got at least one more 50 point season left in him and he's definitely got multiple 40+ pt seasons left. It all depends on his ability to make more consistent starts to the year. Had he not epically slumped for 3 or 4 months he'd be right up in the top 3 defensive scorers right now, possibly right behind Mike "what is defense?" Green.

Again, the point is that Lidstrom deserves to be paid lots of money, but I don't think he'll demand it. He knows the team could use the cash to sign more scoring right now and he watched Stevie's example at the end of his career as well.

There's no way Lidstrom asks for more than 5.5 million. If I had to guess I'd say he'll sign for 5 million.

Yes he does, but like Stevie did, he'll take a pay cut based on his age. You have to assume a 40 year old's production could dry up at any time so the pay should reflect that.

Miller will be re-signed. No way the Wings let him walk. Miller is the single most important penalty killing forward on the team right now.

This is how I feel as well. Some posters on this site act like Lids is God. While he might be the closest thing to it, he isn't. Plain and simple at age 40 having about 20 years of multi million dollar contracts you think he would be set financially and want to give this team their best chance at winning by not taking alot of salary. I'm sure at this point in his career he would take the pay cut and just wanna hoist another cup.

And is there anyone else that would rather let williams and Bert walk and sign more legit scorers. I honestly shouldn't even say scorers in the same sentence as Williams but whatever. Bert is streaky, Williams doesn't score so he isn't streaky, he's consistently bad. Asham would actually score as much as Williams, especially if you took out the PP points Williams gets as the result of playing with world class players.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Trade or No re-sign

Drapes

Malts

Lebda

Ericsson

Ozzie

Time to move on,,,

If someone would take Osgood I'd send him in a heart beat.

But no Ericsson is just stupid.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[deetroit dario 27]

If someone would take Osgood I'd send him in a heart beat.

But no Ericsson is just stupid.

osgood's last year under contract is worth paying, if only so he may continue to mentor jimmah. my own opinion, take for face value...

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Trade or No re-sign

Drapes

Malts

Lebda

Ericsson

Ozzie

Time to move on,,,

I just don't think Drapes is tradeable. $1.25 million for a 38 year old who plays 11 minutes a game and has limited abilities. Ozzy either with the way he's played this season.

And it's too soon to give up on E. He's signed through next season too, so they might as well see which Ericsson shows up next year.

[TheDetroitRedWings 286]

Any rise to the cap is nothing but a good thing for the Red Wings. We all know Ilitch will spend as much as he can to help the team. Hopefully the cap continues to rise as the seasons go by.

[miller76 463]

I think every team in the league would prefer to give away their defensive third pairing. E and Lebda is a natural reaction here. But who else that is available that is better then these two pylons for a reasonable/comparable salary?

I think Drapes is good for another year, but Malts in my book is done.

[vOrophin 5]

2010-2011 lines

Mule(3.9)-Pav(6.7)-Homer(1.750)

Flip(3.0)-Z(6.1)-Afinogenov(1.5)

Cleary(2.8)-Helm(1.0)-Bert(1.225)

Miller(.750)-Draper(1.6)-Abby(1.0)

Eaves(.750)

Lidstrom(4.5)-Raffy(6.0)

Kronner(3.0)-Stuart(3.750)

Lilja(1.250)-Ericsson(.900)

Kindl(.900)

Meech(.600)

Howard(.716)

Ozzy(1.416)

Cap Space= 2.5

Afinogenov at 1.5 is a pipe dream. He makes under 1m right now because he has 2 down years in Buffalo, but after this year (and proving that he doesn't need Kovalchuk to carry him) he will probably be back up to around 3m. Also Atlanta will be trying hard to keep him as he is their #1 player now. If Bert re-signed he would probably demand a slight raise because of his numbers and not getting any money from Anaheim after this year, but he said he would take less money to stay here so that is why I say slight.

Value-wise I don't see Abby as higher than Eaves or Miller, I know the latter two are on NHL minimum contracts right now but I feel their play could get them both decent raises. Abby was valuable but wasn't really a star while he was up here, he might be able to be kept at 0.850m.

[WorkingOvertime 536]

I'd like to see the Wings with a lineup like this next year. Three dangerous lines, and a 4th line that can kill penalties and chip in offensively with an enforcer (when needed).

Franzen- Dats- Holmer

Flip- Z- Bert

Cleary- Abs- Hudler

Draper- Helm- Miller

Boll, Maltby (if he returns)

Lids- Raffi

Stuart- Kronner

Lilja- E

Kindl

[kook_10 1,705]

The only questionable player for me that you guys are mentioning is Bert.

He was good for the money this year, but is still inconsistent on the backchecks and takes a lot of bad penalties.

I kept hoping he would improve as the season wore on, as they're mostly mental mistakes. But he hasn't.

I like his size and he has decent hands, but he needs to play more physical and shoot more. For me at least, a lot will depend on what he does in the postseason.

I agree. His cutesy stuff really irks me too, and he reminds me of Robert Lang every time I see him glide. I say we dump him and scrounge up some cash for Saku Koivu (I'm too lazy to do the cap math).

[Z and D for the C 712]

A line of Franzen Filppula Koivu would be majorly sweet.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[miller76 463]

I am hoping the Wings are strongly looking at retaining Miller and Eaves next year. These guys were such a lift for this team with all the injuries, and still maintain a viable place on the ice every game.

Bert, I have never been sold on him. I would like to have Hudler back, but I am still pissed at him for putting Holland in a spot. It was reported earlier that Holland would have been able to retain Samuelsson with a bigger offer.

[newfy 695]

I'd like to see the Wings with a lineup like this next year. Three dangerous lines, and a 4th line that can kill penalties and chip in offensively with an enforcer (when needed).

Franzen- Dats- Holmer

Flip- Z- Bert

Cleary- Abs- Hudler

Draper- Helm- Miller

Boll, Maltby (if he returns)

Lids- Raffi

Stuart- Kronner

Lilja- E

Kindl

Get rid of Hudler and add Eaves and I like that line up. Boll could be a good enforcer for this team. He isn't like a police officer type enforcer he's morel ike a run around and nail guys so I get in fights enforcer. Maybe get rid of Bert as well for a more legit scorer for the top lines.

I just looked at Boll's contract status and he is an RFA at years end but I doubt after Columbus trading Shelley that they would part ways with him. They would likely match any offer sheet sent his way.

Edited April 5, 2010 by newfy

[WorkingOvertime 536]

Get rid of Hudler and add Eaves and I like that line up. Boll could be a good enforcer for this team. He isn't like a police officer type enforcer he's morel ike a run around and nail guys so I get in fights enforcer. Maybe get rid of Bert as well for a more legit scorer for the top lines.

I just looked at Boll's contract status and he is an RFA at years end but I doubt after Columbus trading Shelley that they would part ways with him. They would likely match any offer sheet sent his way.

I see only one of Eaves or Miller staying. Not because I don't like them both (they've been great), but they play similar roles and we aren't hurting for 3rd/4th line solid players. I'm not set on Bert staying; however the mlive articles on him suggest it will happen (I'd like one of Holmer or Bert, not necessarily both). Hudler can be replaced with a number of scorers, but he's a good option and it seems he'll come back. If Boll isn't an option, I'd like to see someone like him on the roster next year full time.

[newfy 695]

I see only one of Eaves or Miller staying. Not because I don't like them both (they've been great), but they play similar roles and we aren't hurting for 3rd/4th line solid players. I'm not set on Bert staying; however the mlive articles on him suggest it will happen (I'd like one of Holmer or Bert, not necessarily both). Hudler can be replaced with a number of scorers, but he's a good option and it seems he'll come back. If Boll isn't an option, I'd like to see someone like him on the roster next year full time.

Yeah thats what I'm kind of thinking as well. Both Eaves and Miller aren't really necessary especially with Ab coming up who is another third liner next season most likely. I don't know which of the 2 I would rather keep, probably Eaves I guess. Hudler coming back would be nice, if not sign another scorer type winger and then add a Boll type. Seriously if we could lock up Boll I would be pumped. He's a really solid skater, chips in and always leads the league in fights. Oh yeah he's only 23 so locking up someone who can play and fight would be great. I just doubt that it'll happen, a player like him is hard to come by.

[LeftWinger 4,961]

I'd like to see the Wings with a lineup like this next year. Three dangerous lines, and a 4th line that can kill penalties and chip in offensively with an enforcer (when needed).

Franzen- Dats- Holmer

Flip- Z- Bert

Cleary- Abs- Hudler Ladd or Tkachuk

Draper- Helm- Miller

Boll, Maltby (if he returns) Eaves

Lids- Raffi

Stuart- Kronner

Lilja- E

Kindl (Meech)

....just a couple of fixes, er I mean wishes... Eaves needs to be retained. He will sign another minimum contract for what he brings, which makes it well worth it. Meech won't demand too much of a raise (if any) so for what he brings he probably stays. The only question mrks are what Lids/Lilja/Homer & Bertuzzi are going to want to be paid.

Edited April 5, 2010 by LeftWinger

[Guest mindfly]

Why do people wanna bring back Bertuzzi after this season? I don't get it, he ruins more than what he actually brings to the team.

Edited April 5, 2010 by mindfly

[LeftWinger 4,961]

Why do people wanna bring back Bertuzzi after this season? I don't get it, he ruins the team more than he gives the team...

I agree, but for his 18 goals, $1.5M is far better than $2.8M for 25 from Hudler. (although physically they play the exact same game!) Nah, if Huds comes back and get 25 or more then I guess he'd be welcomed back. I just wish Bertuzzi would hit or be intimidating. I think he made a deal with himself or a higher power that he wouldn't be like that because of his stupidity that ended the career of Moore. So ya, why re-sign him, but if he signs cheap, 18-20 goals is worth it. (the only reason I put $3M ealier is because i was factoring in the Anaheim money falling off the books next year (which is the only reasonhe signed for $1.5M anyway))

[toby91_ca 620]

What is MM?

Millimillion?

Some people use "M" for million (my preference), but others us "MM"

"m" = milli

"M" = mille and mille is Latin for thousand, so MM = thousand thousand, which = million.

[newfy 695]

Why do people wanna bring back Bertuzzi after this season? I don't get it, he ruins more than what he actually brings to the team.

I would rather go for someone that brings what Bert is supposed too. Either someone who is a pretty legit scorer or someone who is physically intimidating.

Alot of ppls line ups seem pretty much the same as this years but I think after how we thought we weren't even gonna make playoffs til we got hot at the end that Kenny will make a shake up of some kind. Either bring in a few rougher guys for the grind of the season or he'll sign a more legit scorer then Bert.

[mjlegend 155]

Marleau won't be leaving San Jose for less than a $7.5 cap hit, unless Chicago gets "creative" and gives him a 20-year deal. I can't see him LEAVING the Sharks for anything, and remember we're not as desperate for top six help as other teams (cough cough, LEAFS, cough cough). My prediction is someone gives him $42 million for six years on July 1.

Understanding that for that money, if you're a team like the Red Wings - do you want to change the focal point of your offence to him? Probably not.

[T.OWingsFan 7]

Bertuzzi, Williams need to go. ASAP.

Lebda seems out of the race for a top 7 spot.

Maltby looks primed for retirement.

Those are the outs for sure in my mind.

[Guest mindfly]

Marleau won't be leaving San Jose for less than a $7.5 cap hit, unless Chicago gets "creative" and gives him a 20-year deal. I can't see him LEAVING the Sharks for anything, and remember we're not as desperate for top six help as other teams (cough cough, LEAFS, cough cough). My prediction is someone gives him $42 million for six years on July 1.

Understanding that for that money, if you're a team like the Red Wings - do you want to change the focal point of your offence to him? Probably not.

The era is over where the wings could spend and spend in the offseason...in these days wings take care of their business signing their RFA's and giving contract to some of the pending UFA's and bring up a player or two from grand rapids...that's what a red wing off season look like. (Hossa is an exception)

Dream on about a 7Million player Marleau.

Edited April 5, 2010 by mindfly

[Marty Barry 230]

We could probably make a trade with Philly for that Leino kid. He looks pretty promising and we could probably steal him away before they realize his potential.

[king_malice 17]

Lidstrom $4MM.... Please Captain, help us get stronger next year!!!

Re-sign Lids, Homer, Bertuzzi, Helm, Abdelkader, Miller, Eaves. The problem is going to be what Bertuzzi is gonna ask for, Anaheim is still paying $1.333MM of his salary from 2007, does that mean he is gonna want $3MM or more? If he wants $3MM with Lidstrom (praying hopefully) takes $4MM that'll leave Holland $10MM to shore up our wanted UFA/RFA and MAYBE get some UFA help from outside the organization!

Does anyone know which RFA's in GRR are out of options? We all know Abdelkader will be here for sure, but who else has to be or risk being waived? Other than Ritola?

Anyhow, I do believe Holland can get Abdelkader, Helm, Miller & Eaves all re-signed for less than $4MM total. Homer should take $2MM or a little less (please Homer!) What about Lilja? Do we re-sign him or use his $1.2 elsewhere? Ledba and Meech can leave, whatever we get in return for Meech (he's a RFA) will be worth it. Not unless he re-signs for the same money. Maltby should retire also. Williams can do what he pleases, thanks for the help.

So:

Helm, Eaves, Abdelkader, Miller - $2.7MM

Bertuzzi - $3MM

Holmstrom - $2MM

Lilja - $1MM

Lidstrom - $4MM (PLEASE NICK!!!!!!)

Ritola - $0.5MM

That's $13.2MM leaving roughly $4.5MM. They'll need a 7th defensman, is Kindl ready or will they keep Meech around?

My wish? Ladd or Tkachuk up front. (Tkachuk shouldn't cost too much.)

I don' think the Wings are keeping both Miller and Eaves as much as id like them to stay i think with alot of young guys options being up this year 1 will go and i think Bert will sign for 2-2.25 range he obviously likes it in Detroit, ya he has had a great season for us but im sure he knows we are tight to the Cap and will offer him as much as they can and not rip him off for one, second he is getting up there in age so he probably won't want to move again.

2.7 if thats for all of them no way Helm and Abby will get raises this off-season especailly Helm.

Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Zetterberg-Filpula-Hudler

Ritola-Cleary-Bertuzzi

Abdelkader-Helm-Draper

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Lilja-Ericsson

Meech/Kindl

This would be alright i think.