1-7-2

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Who the hell is talking about 1 game? I love how the Ozzie slappys are out in force "His last game was as good as Howards"

Who gives a flying (you know what)

Howard also had a shutout last week that went into the SO. Howard also is top 5 in Sv % and GAA. Osgood is 1-7-2 his last 10 starts and has horrible stats. Who gives a rats (you know what) what they each did their last game. This thread wasnt about todays game, it was about ozzies last 10 and his season in general.

Everyone knows this is about Osgood's performance tonight. If he had done fine today there would not have been a thread about how Osgood is 2-6-2 in his last ten. No ******* chance.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Who the hell is talking about 1 game? I love how the Ozzie slappys are out in force "His last game was as good as Howards"

Who gives a flying (you know what)

Howard also had a shutout last week that went into the SO. Howard also is top 5 in Sv % and GAA. Osgood is 1-7-2 his last 10 starts and has horrible stats. Who gives a rats (you know what) what they each did their last game. This thread wasnt about todays game, it was about ozzies last 10 and his season in general.

The funny thing about it that you don't seem to get (and very insecurely dismiss any with differing opinions as Osgood slappies) is that unlike Howard, those last ten starts ARE Osgood's season. He has never been a backup and he is trying to learn how at 37yo and yet all these "fans" are quick to bust his balls after not starting for over two months. We get it, Osgood isn't great anymore. Did you expect him to be given the circumstances?

Howard is the better goaltender, period. But he shouldn't have to play every single damn game his rookie season, he needed the rest. Unfortunately for Osgood, that's all he has been used for this season. For a giggle, we should look at Howard's stats playing the first of the back-to-backs where Osgood has played the second. Does it make you a Howard slappy if you say its because he is tired vs. Osgood's rusty?

[ltgator333 3]

The funny thing is that Howard had a similar SV% the last game he played. And he's been playing again and again. Osgood hasn't played in months and performed the same as Howard's last game.

That is the relevant bit of info there. Bottom line is the team has apparently played like crap two games in a row now (bound to happen after a 7 game win streak, I mean what did you really expect???), and even the much maligned Most Controversial Player to Ever Play (according to LGW.com) couldn't bail them out. Shame on him!!

Looking back through said players statistics, I've noticed a possible pattern in his play- his best years came with the crappiest teams and the most starts, for the most part. So he's not a natural backup goalie, darn. Or at least that's how I interpret the numbers.

Time will tell what will become of this whole deal, but patterns of behavior don't lie- one day the whipping boy will be Howard just like all the 'much better goaltenders' before him, and the cycle of these redundant irritating threads will continue on until the end of time...

[Electrophile 3,554]

Who gives a rats (you know what) what they each did their last game.

You can say "ass", you know.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Everyone knows this is about Osgood's performance tonight. If he had done fine today there would not have been a thread about how Osgood is 2-6-2 in his last ten. No ******* chance.

Exactly. As soon as Osgood was slated to play today we all knew it was going to happen. Either Osgood would somehow incredibly win against all odds or we would suffer another crucifixion as if there had been some argument as to who was the better goaltender. We got the latter.

[Paul MacLean's Mustache 44]

Ozzie's the reason we won the cup in 2008 and the reason we went so far into the playoffs last year, but today's game was brutal. Rust or not, the first goal hit his glove and he has to make that save. Howard needs to take these last three games as a warmup into the playoffs, regardless of what Babcock said in the media about Ozzie getting one more start.

I'd love to see a statistic about how quickly the opposition scores when Ozzie's in net. My money says it's a goal within the first five shots on goal, maybe even the first three shots.

[Hossa4Life 4]

Everyone knows this is about Osgood's performance tonight. If he had done fine today there would not have been a thread about how Osgood is 2-6-2 in his last ten. No ******* chance.

Yea because if he won today it might of proved that he was moving in the right direction now that we are nearing the playoffs. But he clearly showed that he is the same struggling goalie like the rest of the season. So the thread is about the entire season not just the last game. 2-6-2 is still god awfull.

I'd love to see a statistic about how quickly the opposition scores when Ozzie's in net. My money says it's a goal within the first five shots on goal, maybe even the first three shots.

i noticed this too, if someone could find this stat i would be intrested.

[jjd06e 10]

People keep saying that he doesnt need to play every darn game, in terms of games started he is 12th in the NHL. In terms of minutes played he is 12th in the NHL. He is the STARTING goalie, Osgood is the backup. All the other goalies with similar stats to Howard are getting the workload that he is. Its not unusual for a STARTING goalie to get that many starts. We are just used to have 2 goalies who were similar splitting time. This season we have one goalie who is heads and shoulders above the other and is getting full time starter minutes.

[Firehawk 305]

I'm surprised that there are people who are looking in hindsight saying Osgood should have started more games. Let's say he did, and continued to have average or bad games. If he had started another 10 games, and lost just 5 of them, we would not be in the playoffs. I don't get what people are thinking saying this. It's easy to say though, now that we have clinched a playoff berth.

It's also amazing the same people getting down on a coach that has taken this team to nearly back to back stanley cups and a great opportunity to get back there a 3rd straight year, yet he doesn't know how to coach, or handle goaltenders? Come on.

I'm just as worried about the situation going into the playoffs as anyone, but right now there is no hot goalie in the playoffs in the west. So Howard has just as good a shot as any. Chicago is shakey, SJ we have their number, Luongo continues to be overrated, etc.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

1-7-2

That is Wings record in Osgoods last 10 starts. If he was even average in that stretch we could possibly be fighting for the division right now and would be in a lot better shape for 4th at least. 4 pts in 10 games is horrible from your backup. Are we seeing Ozzie's last games in a Red Wings jersey? Coaches obviously have no confidence in him, given the start streak Howard has gotten. Do we go into next season with him as our backup?

It has less to do with Osgood and more to do with Howard. When Osgood went down with the flu in December, coaching staff had no choice but to put Howard in for a stretch of games, and he took the opportunity and ran with it. And this season, the Wings didn't have the luxury of already wrapping a playoff spot up early, so they couldn't rotate goalies for the sake of rotating them. With Howard playing so well when he got more time, it was hard justifying taking him out.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

I'd love to see a statistic about how quickly the opposition scores when Ozzie's in net. My money says it's a goal within the first five shots on goal, maybe even the first three shots.

In all of Osgood's starts:

Philadelphia: First shot

Minnesota: First shot

Washington: 18 minutes into the second period

Chicago: 7 minutes into the first, 7th shot on net

Nashville: 14 minutes into the second

New Jersey: 15 minutes into the first

Calgary: First shot

Nashville: 10 minutes into the first

Florida: 8 minutes into the third

Toronto: 10 minutes into the first

San Jose: 14 minutes into the second

Boston: Shut out

Calgary: 14 minutes into the second

Vancouver: Less than a minute into the first

Phoenix: 16 minutes into the first

Colorado: 9 minutes into the third

LA: 5 minutes into the first

Buffalo: 12 minutes into the first

Washington: 4 minutes into the first

Chicago: 1 minute into the second

St. Louis: 7 minutes into the first

So: (<10 into the first/<0 into the second/<10 into the second/<0 into the third/<10 into the third/>10 into the third/overtime/none against)

9-4-1-4-2-0-0-1

9/21 times Osgood has been scored on within 10 minutes of play. 4 of 21 on the first shot. Numbers could be off but that should be just about correct.

I'll do Howard later (that's what she said).

Edited April 5, 2010 by Doc Holliday

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

In all of Howard's starts:

(for the sake of clarity I'm just going to use the "record" used before instead of listing every start and how he did.

18-11-12-12-2-1-1-2

So he was scored on within the first 10 minutes 18/58 times.

To compare:

Osgood's "f*** I got scored on early!" percentage: 42%

Howard's FIGSOE percentage: 31%

Not factoring in first shots (or shots within 5 minutes of the game) allowed for either goaltender.

Also Osgood's record in his last 10 starts was 2-6-2 before the Philly game.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Doc Holliday

[zettie85 106]

Seriously. How long did this take you?

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Seriously. How long did this take you?

Not too long. About half an hour?

I can't fall asleep and I'm listening to "DON'T STOP ME NAO" by Queen so I'm keeping busy. Plus I have a bunch of work I'm trying to catch up on regarding a site in Troy so I got plenty of time to kill for myself.

[jjd06e 10]

I know its not a fair comparison because the 07-08 team won the cup, but just to show how bad Osgood has been this season

in 07-08 Osgood was 27-9-4, he had 9 losses and 4 otl in 43 games

this season Osgood is 7-9-4, so 9 losses and 4 otl in 23 games

He has as many losses/otl as he did 2 seasons ago in 20 less games.

His GAA also jumped almost a goal a game (2.09 to 3.02) and Save percentage dropped from .914 to .888

I think its hard to call this season a fluke, his gaa is almost identical this season to last season (3.09 and 3.02) and is Save Percentage is almost identical as well (.888 and .887). We dont have the offense to bail him out this year that we had last year, and his record is reflecting that. I think age has caught up to him, he had a great career as a Red Wing goalie and I respect everything he has done. But its gotten to a point that I cringe everytime he is in net and you can almost put 3 goals on the board for the other team to start.

[bdavis 28]

I didn't think that Ozzie played as bad as previous games, but that first goal was pretty terrible. I mean, he is an NHL goalie, and that seemed to be a pretty standard save. Jimmy would've had no problem with the shot.

I think it is time for Jimmy to shine, and Oz to accept his role as back-up. Although I do agree that even as back-up, he deserved more starts. His age is catching up with him, which with less starts means more rust. I would say that rust on a 37 year old goalie is not a good thing, especially when in a back-up role. He should finish up the rest of his contract with the Wings, as a back-up, and he might have a year or two left as a starter with another team. I don't think the Wings can take a chance on a 39-40 year old goalie, even as a backup. He should be appreciated for his work in the past, but now is time to look at Jimmy as our #1 guy. Hopefully next year, Oz will get more starts, and finish his time with the Wings in a positive light.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I didn't think that Ozzie played as bad as previous games, but that first goal was pretty terrible. I mean, he is an NHL goalie, and that seemed to be a pretty standard save. Jimmy would've had no problem with the shot.

I think it is time for Jimmy to shine, and Oz to accept his role as back-up. Although I do agree that even as back-up, he deserved more starts. His age is catching up with him, which with less starts means more rust. I would say that rust on a 37 year old goalie is not a good thing, especially when in a back-up role. He should finish up the rest of his contract with the Wings, as a back-up, and he might have a year or two left as a starter with another team. I don't think the Wings can take a chance on a 39-40 year old goalie, even as a backup. He should be appreciated for his work in the past, but now is time to look at Jimmy as our #1 guy. Hopefully next year, Oz will get more starts, and finish his time with the Wings in a positive light.

I don't think the issue is anymore is if Osgood is the permanent #1 starter. I highly doubt anybody would dispute that. My guess is that hopefully it would've been that way at the beginning of the year to let Howard get his feet wet more/less, but there were factors like subpar play all around from the team, injuries, injuries/flu (?) to both goalies I think at times, and Howard took the opportunity and ran with it. Good for him and it's all but apparently he'll be starting in the playoffs, which I have no problem with. I think in a perfect world though this season you would've seen Osgood get more starts with Howard maybe playing something like 2/5 of the games or whatever, or the goalies splitting equal time roughly where a playoff spot was already settled early. The world is not perfect though.

[Frozen-Man 144]

I would agree, but no one is talking about just this game. Ozzie has been bad all season, particularly the last 10 starts, which I am pointing out in this thread. This isnt about just this game.

Except you kind of have to talk about just the one game in Ozzy's case because it is his first start since January 27th, 68 days between starts makes it kind of hard to get a realistic grasp of how a player is playing. And amazingly there are about 4 threads about Ozzy since yesterday, I doubt that is a coincidence.

How can anyone say Babcock mishandled the goalie situation this year? Howard is the only reason we're in the playoff hunt right now. He should win the Calder and be nominated for the selke for the stats he has right now. We're used to having 2 goalies that play an even amount through the season because we've never really had an elite goalie, or we've had two goalies playing very close to the same level. Now we have Ozzie, who despite winning us cups and blah blah blah can't win a game for us in the reg. season. And we have Howard who is putting up Vezina nominee worthy stats.

That would be impressive if Howard got nominated for the Selke, perhaps he will get nominated for the Norris and Adams awards as well.

I actually have an osgood jersey and am a fan of his, but if he is not performing well then i am not going to just make excuses and defend him just because i like the guy. It actually does kind of upset me, because if Howard and osgoods stats were switched this year you would want to cut howard and never give him another start. But just because osgood used to be an amazing goalie people overly defend him with no justification.

That is true, Howard would not get the kind of slack that many here are discussing for Osgood and that is largely because before this year Howard has proven nothing and as you said Osgood has been an amazing goalie in the past, therefore he gets more leeway (also you have to keep in mind Osgood has had subpar seasons recently and then played lights out in the playoffs so unlike Howard he has a record to backup the grace he is given). That is not a knock on Howard, who has been stellar this year, but merely the reality of a goalie who had a .926 and .930 SV% and 2.01 and 1.55 GAA the last two year respectively.

I'll do Howard later (that's what she said).

[zettie85 106]

Not too long. About half an hour?

I can't fall asleep and I'm listening to "DON'T STOP ME NAO" by Queen so I'm keeping busy. Plus I have a bunch of work I'm trying to catch up on regarding a site in Troy so I got plenty of time to kill for myself.

Just seemed like a lot of stats to find that's all.

[13dangledangle 958]

Ill start by saying I like Ozzy and respect what hes done, however facts are facts and you can tell how deflated the boys get every time he lets an early weak goal. Sorry Oz, but this is Howards team now.

[ilmickeyli 40]

Just seemed like a lot of stats to find that's all.

Yeah I thought Doc was watching game footage from every game all season lol

[zettie85 106]

To be fair to Babcock, if this team consistently played bad in front of Ozzie from November on until now we very well could be looking in at the Flames. Ozzie gets 5 more starts and only 1 win we aren't in. We clinched while being 5 points up. Babcock did what he had to do to get us into the playoffs. Honestly, can anyone guarantee that Ozzie would have improved and the team would play better around him with more starts? No. Babs did what he had to do.

Edited April 5, 2010 by zettie85

[13dangledangle 958]

To be fair to Babcock, if this team consistently played bad in front of Ozzie from November on until now we very well could be looking in at the Flames. Ozzie gets 5 more starts and only 1 win we aren't in. We clinched while being 5 points up. Babcock did what he had to do to get us into the playoffs. Honestly, can anyone guarantee that Ozzie would have improved and the team would play better around him with more starts? No. Babs did what he had to do.

Its hard for a team to play for a guy like this now, even last season (not playoffs lol) when he lets in a goal thats sooo weak sooo soon. Deflates your sails from the word go.

[newfy 695]

Except you kind of have to talk about just the one game in Ozzy's case because it is his first start since January 27th, 68 days between starts makes it kind of hard to get a realistic grasp of how a player is playing. And amazingly there are about 4 threads about Ozzy since yesterday, I doubt that is a coincidence.

That would be impressive if Howard got nominated for the Selke, perhaps he will get nominated for the Norris and Adams awards as well.

That is true, Howard would not get the kind of slack that many here are discussing for Osgood and that is largely because before this year Howard has proven nothing and as you said Osgood has been an amazing goalie in the past, therefore he gets more leeway (also you have to keep in mind Osgood has had subpar seasons recently and then played lights out in the playoffs so unlike Howard he has a record to backup the grace he is given). That is not a knock on Howard, who has been stellar this year, but merely the reality of a goalie who had a .926 and .930 SV% and 2.01 and 1.55 GAA the last two year respectively.

My bad. I put Selke because my friend was saying Ferraro was going to suck and be no better then Draper so I said I wouldn't mind that since Drapes scored 30 goals almost and won the Selke. Was saying the word Selke I guess so I typed it... Oops

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

He was really scary in net yesterday.